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CL82

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There will be some justice I bet. The FBI is gonna uncover some wild stuff
I'm not certain of that given the clannish attitude of all the witnesses.
 
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Good to have living in Boston in the past and to know nothing about this trial. Reading the thread, any chance the accused and other individuals fit some Irish Riviera stereotypes?
 
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I'm not certain of that given the clannish attitude of all the witnesses.
I hope the FBI will latch on to all the destroyed evidence like a pit bull and go as deep as they can into exactly how corrupt law enforcement is in that town/county, could go up pretty high. The cops were so stupid about how they went about it, there has to be tons more that hasn’t been uncovered in this trial that has been tightly controlled by what seems to be a very partial judge. As we see in all the true crime documentaries/shows that come out these days, it’s usually just something small(ish) that opens up a vast world of incompetence and corruption.
 

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I hope the FBI will latch on to all the destroyed evidence like a pit bull and go as deep as they can into exactly how corrupt law enforcement is in that town/county, could go up pretty high. The cops were so stupid about how they went about it, there has to be tons more that hasn’t been uncovered in this trial that has been tightly controlled by what seems to be a very partial judge. As we see in all the true crime documentaries/shows that come out these days, it’s usually just something small(ish) that opens up a vast world of incompetence and corruption.
Sanctioning them for destruction of evidence is a different thing than inducting them for murder and conspiracy.
 
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To the litigators here, is the testimony from this trial admissible in the next trial or does all the evidence need to be independently generated at the new trial?
 
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They allow sworn testimony from Grand Juries into trial so sworn testimony from actual trials have to be admissible no?
 
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This has to favor the defense right? They've now seen every bit of evidence the state has and can more precisely target the holes. Just from skimming this has to be more emphasis on what the plow guy didn't see, more cross examination & emphasis on the impact, car when & where the tail light broke and/or shattered, whatever antagonism they can show between victim and others at bar/party.
It isn't the defense's job to come up with an alternate theory, but the sale of the house, disappearance of dog, phones discarded etc. do make it hard to pinpoint what exactly happened.

That said I'm still not on either side: 50% - BOTH - she hit him with car and they beat him up inside, 25% just her, 25% just beat up.
Yet Also no clue how a juror could have NO reasonable doubts, unless a clear choice to selectively believe some info & discard other.
 

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This has to favor the defense right? They've now seen every bit of evidence the state has and can more precisely target the holes. Just from skimming this has to be more emphasis on what the plow guy didn't see, more cross examination & emphasis on the impact, car when & where the tail light broke and/or shattered, whatever antagonism they can show between victim and others at bar/party.
It isn't the defense's job to come up with an alternate theory, but the sale of the house, disappearance of dog, phones discarded etc. do make it hard to pinpoint what exactly happened.

That said I'm still not on either side: 50% - BOTH - she hit him with car and they beat him up inside, 25% just her, 25% just beat up.
Yet Also no clue how a juror could have NO reasonable doubts, unless a clear choice to selectively believe some info & discard other.
Really hard to know how it would play out. There's a good argument that they wouldn't be able to find an impartial jury in Norfolk county at this point.

Meanwhile, the FBI could always muddle things with its own investigation. Seems like a waste of money to try it again, and people other than the DA may conclude that.
 
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They allow sworn testimony from Grand Juries into trial so sworn testimony from actual trials have to be admissible no?
Doesn’t that also favor the defense? They can use prior testimony to impeach and look for inconsistency with new testimony.
 
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I'd say the jury will leave and enter the real world again and realize they made a huge mistake and Karen Read is obviously innocent. But there's like a 99% chance the deadlock was 11-1 and the Albert's paid off a juror
 
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I don't understand how you could sit on that jury and think the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. I know we all think differently and look at things in different ways but man the prosecutions case was so insanely weak here. I would be surprised if they actually re try.
 
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This has to favor the defense right? They've now seen every bit of evidence the state has and can more precisely target the holes. Just from skimming this has to be more emphasis on what the plow guy didn't see, more cross examination & emphasis on the impact, car when & where the tail light broke and/or shattered, whatever antagonism they can show between victim and others at bar/party.
It isn't the defense's job to come up with an alternate theory, but the sale of the house, disappearance of dog, phones discarded etc. do make it hard to pinpoint what exactly happened.

That said I'm still not on either side: 50% - BOTH - she hit him with car and they beat him up inside, 25% just her, 25% just beat up.
Yet Also no clue how a juror could have NO reasonable doubts, unless a clear choice to selectively believe some info & discard other.
Agreed. And it's not the defense's job to prove who is guilty. Just to show that NONE of the proof against Karen Read is definitive.

That turtleboy is way over the top. We don't know what the truth is. But he goes out and verbally attacks everyone calling them cop killers. They may be guilty and I'll admit, if I were in the Albert family and I knew we did nothing wrong, I'd probably retaliate somehow. So it leads me to believe they are all in cahoots, but he is still harassing everyone.

Ring cameras not working. I don't know how it all works but there needs to be more investigation into this by the feds or another agency. A police officer is dead and their local investigation was crap.
 
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Proctor fired. That’s tough to do with the union but first domino to drop is Proctor. Buchenik next? Lally after? It’s Meatball Morrissey who needs to go though. That’s the root of the rot in Norfolk County.
 

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