OT Jackie BradleyJr

[kibblesnbits]

Interesting read from 2016. Apparently, LAD's ownership of their network shields their TV revenue from revenue sharing (!). That makes NYY sale of stake in YES perplexing to fully understand (given they've been griping about said revenue sharing in recent years).

At any rate, market size certainly correlates with ability to spend. Can't argue that.

Absolutely. Both franchises are lucky to be in big markets with passionate fan bases and owners willing to spend. Traditionally (I.e. before this year), the Yankees, being the most popular team in the most populous market, spent more. What that allows both teams todo is taking chances and make mistakes. Sometimes those are absolute disasters of the Carl Pavano or Pablo Sandoval level. Often they are just overpays for good players such as Mark Texeira or Dausuke Matsuzaka. In either case there are resources to move on after a mistake while Kansas City or Tampa would be hogtied by such contracts - not making major investments in new players until the contracts expired.

 

[mauconnfan]

Correction, for one year, 2018, the Red Sox outspent the Yankees. In 2017 both teams had almost identical starting payrolls ($196m vs $197m) and the Yankees year end payroll was dramatically higher ($224m vs $191m) because of in-season acquisitions. At no point in the prior twelve years did the Red Sox come close to the Yankees. This is the first year the Red Sox have exceeded $200m, a figure the Yankees exceeded way back in 2005. While the Yankees and then the Dodgers set records many times over the last 20 years, the Red Sox have never held the record for highest payroll (currently held by the Dodgers at more than $270m in 2015). Sorry to bring a few facts to your absurd rant.

Only absurd thing mentioned is it’s a weak jab at the Sox. Nothing you said changed that with as much as you spend. There’s nothing wrong with spending mind you but you get no pass from the jabs just like the Yanks and Dodgers from the past. That is a fact.

 

[The X Man]

Payroll talk is so boring. Since we have to with those stupid NL rules out in LA who sits? Mookie at 2nd maybe?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Jealous how? I'm willing to bet 95% of Boston residents would not live in NYC if given the choice. Boston ain't perfect by any measure, but let's face it, NYC's a shitehole.

Eh. Bit of an overstatement across the board.

 

[kibblesnbits]

Only absurd thing mentioned is it’s a weak jab at the Sox. Nothing you said changed that with as much as you spend. There’s nothing wrong with spending mind you but you get no pass from the jabs just like the Yanks and Dodgers from the past. That is a fact.

Pretty funny. After leading the Sox in payroll for 30+ years, generally by tens of millions of dollars, suddenly Yankee fans make a big deal of the Sox leading in one. That’s especially the case when the Sox are ahead primarily because the Yankees and Dodgers pulled back for one year to reset the luxury tax. The Yankees will be the “Evil Empire” as long as their fans are calling into sports talk assuming they can sign any free agent by outbidding the competition and are furious if they don’t get their guy. “The boss would never let him get away.” “Should we get Machado or Harper or both.” If the Red Sox establish a 4-1 WS lead since Derek Jeter was appointed captain let’s see what the Yankees do with payroll.

 

[intlzncster]

Eh. Bit of an overstatement across the board.

You think? I've never met one nontransient Bostonian who would prefer NYC. I've spent 3 months there and it's bloody miserable long term. If you like anything outdoors, you might as well shoot yourself.

They talk about great public transpor, but the subway is one of the grossest places ever. Only public transport on earth where you might see a buck naked strung out crackhead flicking her bean in tbe middle of the aisle.

It's a dirty city too.

Housing sucks.. Etc etc

 

[Stainmaster]

You think? I've never met one nontransient Bostonian who would prefer NYC. I've spent 3 months there and it's bloody miserable long term. If you like anything outdoors, you might as well shoot yourself.

They talk about great public transpor, but the subway is one of the grossest places ever. Only public transport on earth where you might see a buck naked strung out crackhead flicking her bean in tbe middle of the aisle.

It's a dirty city too.

Housing sucks.. Etc etc

This is not at all congruous with the 4+ years I spent there...

 

[nomar]

Yeah, right. One Yank fan gave me his take on what it was like to be a Sox fan. “You guys all have big piss hard-ons. You never get off and you’re never gonna get off!” My take was that Yank fans got more enjoyment lording over Sox fans than they got from the team winning titles. Now that they are the losers, any hint of Yankee shade from Sox fans gives Yankee fans like mau the vapors. And what the hell are you doing on a Sox-Astro thread with your nonsense if you’re not obsessed with the Sox?

There was nothing Yankee fans loved more -- and Sox fans hated more -- than the "1918" chants. I don't think it's the case for all, or even most, but for many Yankee fans I think they'd have done anything to keep the "Curse" going. Including foregoing future titles.

I disagree with what SJ said about the rivalry previously being like Celtics/Knicks. It wasn't like that at all. Both sides had skin in the game. Yankee fans were so invested in the Sox never winning and the pressure on the Sox was even bigger. It's still a great rivalry but, IMO, the intensity isn't the same. I'm happy to have traded that decrease in intensity for 3 (hopefully 4) titles in my lifetime. I wasn't sure I'd ever see one. (I thought I would. But after the 2003 ALCS, I had my doubts.)

 

[nomar]

You think? I've never met one nontransient Bostonian who would prefer NYC. I've spent 3 months there and it's bloody miserable long term. If you like anything outdoors, you might as well shoot yourself.

They talk about great public transpor, but the subway is one of the grossest places ever. Only public transport on earth where you might see a buck naked strung out crackhead flicking her bean in tbe middle of the aisle.

It's a dirty city too.

Housing sucks.. Etc etc

NYC might not be for you but this is a laughably ridiculous take.

What, you went once in the 80s and some homeless guy touched you and you're now scarred for life?

I ride the subway every day. Not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you watched The Warriors and confused that with an actual experience?

 

[nomar]

This is not at all congruous with the 4+ years I spent there...

Or the 19 I've spent there.

 

[intlzncster]

NYC might not be for you but this is a laughably ridiculous take.

What, you went once in the 80s and some homeless guy touched you and you're now scarred for life?

I ride the subway every day. Not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you watched The Warriors and confused that with an actual experience?

Not the eighties no. Even a lot of native New Yorkers think it's a shitehole, including a number of friends. They continue to live there because it's home, and it's almost a badge of honor.

NYC subway is dirty as hell, at least compared to most in the first world. Classic:

How NYC is dealing with the growing number of serial subway perverts - NY Daily News

 

[intlzncster]

This is not at all congruous with the 4+ years I spent there...

Interesting, apparently a growing number of subway perverts are becoming a problem.

One of my favorite things is seeing vids of disgusting people doing gross things on the NYC subway.

 

[intlzncster]

NYC doesn't even rate in the top 10 US cities to live in general. The economist does a decent ranking; Boston was number three in 2018.

America's 10 most liveable cities, according to The Economist ranking

To be fair, US cities don't fair very well internationally. None in the top 20 or so iirc.

The Economist The Global Liveability Index:
The Economist's 10 most liveable cities in the world

 

[intlzncster]

This article proves nothing but it makes me laugh nonetheless:

When You Breathe On The Subway, You Breathe Human Skin

The next time you're waiting the endless wait for the Sunday night G train, take a big, deep breath. Yes, there's urine, mingling gently with the stench of sour trash, but there's something else—something you can't quite put a finger on. Ah, yes, you know that scent: The unmistakeable fragrance of human flesh. Eau de Epidermis.

 

[TitleTown]

Payroll talk is so boring. Since we have to with those stupid NL rules out in LA who sits? Mookie at 2nd maybe?

Depends who is on the mound for LA. If they have a lefty starting then I think JBJ sits, Betts CF, and JDM RF. If they start a righty then Kinsler sits, Betts 2B, and JDM RF.

 

[TitleTown]

Interesting, apparently a growing number of subway perverts are becoming a problem.

One of my favorite things is seeing vids of disgusting people doing gross things on the NYC subway.

NYC has become more and more of an absolute craphole since Deblasio took over as mayor! The streets are filled with the stench of urine and feces, you have to step over junkies sleeping on the sidewalk, the parks are filled with drug dealers, the subway is an absolute battleground, and don't even get me started on tourist areas like Times Square.

 

[Stainmaster]

NYC has become more and more of an absolute craphole since Deblasio took over as mayor! The streets are filled with the stench of urine and feces, you have to step over junkies sleeping on the sidewalk, the parks are filled with drug dealers, the subway is an absolute battleground, and don't even get me started on tourist areas like Times Square.

You have not been to New York City in 30+ years.

 

[Chin Diesel]

NYC might not be for you but this is a laughably ridiculous take.

What, you went once in the 80s and some homeless guy touched you and you're now scarred for life?

I ride the subway every day. Not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you watched The Warriors and confused that with an actual experience?

Had an older sister who graduated from Fordham take her daughter up to NYC a few weeks ago to see the city and see if she was interested in going to college in a big city environment. Showed her daughter where she interned while in school and where she started her career. Daughter was turned off by watching junkies shoot up in city parks in the middle of the day. This was 3 weeks ago.

 

[TitleTown]

You have not been to New York City in 30+ years.

I am in the city at LEAST 2 times/week for work!

 

[FriarJ]

NYC has become more and more of an absolute craphole since Deblasio took over as mayor! The streets are filled with the stench of urine and feces, you have to step over junkies sleeping on the sidewalk, the parks are filled with drug dealers, the subway is an absolute battleground, and don't even get me started on tourist areas like Times Square.

I honestly would be pleased if that is all we had in Seattle.

 

[Stainmaster]

I am in the city at LEAST 2 times/week for work!

No, you aren’t.

 

[nomar]

Had an older sister who graduated from Fordham take her daughter up to NYC a few weeks ago to see the city and see if she was interested in going to college in a big city environment. Showed her daughter where she interned while in school and where she started her career. Daughter was turned off by watching junkies shoot up in city parks in the middle of the day. This was 3 weeks ago.

Well that's disturbing, but I'm not sure where they were. Fordham's in the Bronx. I've lived here since 1999 and have never seen a person shoot up. Not one. I have seen obvious junkies but since my first day here I've been street smart enough to know where to go and where not to go and where to look and where not to look. I lived in the Village, the East Village and Lower East side for 14 years, so it's not like I haven't seen the city's underbelly. It's just not that bad. It's not 1977. For better or worse, Manhattan has become almost entirely gentrified.

It's a city with 8.6 million people, 1.7 in Manhattan. One billion people pass through the subway every year. So yes, there are garbage bags on the street. There are weirdos on the subway. There are homeless people who stink of urine. It happens.

There are also the best restaurants in the world, the best museums, the best shows, the best musicians, the best minds in finance, law, fashion, etc., a gigantic collection of interesting people who come from every corner of the world.

Like I said, it's not for everyone. It's very expensive. It's not the place to be if you value quiet, hate crowds, or need a lot of personal space. To me, the nice Connecticut town I grew up in doesn't hold a candle to it. Yet I don't go around telling people who live in the suburbs or rural areas that I'd be bored to death in their podunk town, (I'm replying to your post, CD, but that's not aimed at you. I know you're just repeating an anecdote.)

 

[nomar]

Interesting, apparently a growing number of subway perverts are becoming a problem.

One of my favorite things is seeing vids of disgusting people doing gross things on the NYC subway.

If you've lived here, like I have, you'd know it's always been a problem. When you have millions of people crammed into subway cars, it's a great opportunity for flashers and gropers. But it's not a new or growing problem.

From the article you posted:

Instead, the police attribute the spike to other factors — a stepped-up campaign with the MTA urging the public to report subway sex crimes and the proliferation of smartphones making it easier to catch creeps in the act. Ford and other experts agree that these circumstances likely add to the surge in cases.

Do you think that New York is less safe than it was 20+ years ago?

 

[August_West]

For better or worse, Manhattan has become almost entirely gentrified.

Its for worse.


and LOL @ the way this thread went. I cant believe how many pansies we have on here.

I lived on Avenue B in the 80's. I was there for the Tompkins Square riot.

Manhattan is freaking disneyland now.

 

[superjohn]

Jealous how? I'm willing to bet 95% of Boston residents would not live in NYC if given the choice. Boston ain't perfect by any measure, but let's face it, NYC's a shitehole. Good to visit and experience some culture, but to live full time? Nah thanks I'm good

And hating on your opposition is one of the BEST things about sports. Without hated enemies it's boring. Celebrating in a vacuum blows.

Everytime UCONN wins a championship, one of my first thoughts is 'suck it Syracuse'... And it gives me immense pleasure everytime

Please don't compare the city of Boston to NYC. Boston is basically a town compared to NYC. Boston is a nice smallish city with things like colleges and history going for it but it absolutely pales in comparison to a place like NYC and I don't even like NYC all that much anymore. Wouldn't want to live in either of them but I really don't see any sort of bang for your buck considering what you pay in Boston and what you actually get.

There are three world class cities in the US- NYC, LA, and Chicago. San Fran is right there but still Tier 2 along with DC. Boston could be in that next grouping with Seattle, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, and Philly but I put Seattle, Miami and Philly above it.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

NYC has become more and more of an absolute craphole since Deblasio took over as mayor! The streets are filled with the stench of urine and feces, you have to step over junkies sleeping on the sidewalk, the parks are filled with drug dealers, the subway is an absolute battleground, and don't even get me started on tourist areas like Times Square.

This is an absolutely insane take. Manhattan is basically like an outdoor shopping mall for the uber rich these days.

 

[Guapo]

Yeah, it’s amazing how this thread basically turned into 7th grade homeroom.

Anyway, arguing over which city is better is totally ridiculous. Some people prefer places like Boston and others prefer places like NYC.

That lifestyle choice is kind of the root of the rivalry, if you think about it, isn’t it?

I obviously prefer one way of life over the other, but saying the other is totally wrong is just silly.

 

[intlzncster]

I should preface this with: I don't even like Boston that much. It's not in the top 10 cities I'd live in (of the ones I've been for more than a few weeks). So I'm not barracking for Boston at all.

There are also the best restaurants in the world, the best museums, the best shows, the best musicians, the best minds in finance, law, fashion, etc., a gigantic collection of interesting people who come from every corner of the world.

That's a view. only a New Yorker could take:

Best fashion cities: Paris and Milan​

Best Museums: Athens/Rome/Paris rate just as highly. No where on the planet compares to the Louvre.​

Best Food cities: Tokyo, Paris, Barcelona/Madrid/San Sebastian, Lima all consistently rate higher than NYC. Perhaps NYC has the most diverse culinary options, but we are talking best here.​

Best Music: It might struggle to be in the top 5 in the US, never mind the world. Austin, Nashville, New Orleans, and some toss up of Memphis/Seattle/Atlanta/Chicago.​

Finance:​

Shows: I've no idea but I imagine some European cities compare quite favorably.​

Law: I've no idea​

Universities: No. Boston absolutely crushes NYC.​

What you could say is it might have the best collection of all those things together. I'm not gonna do the research though.

Like I said, it's not for everyone. It's very expensive. It's not the place to be if you value quiet, hate crowds, or need a lot of personal space. To me, the nice Connecticut town I grew up in doesn't hold a candle to it. Yet I don't go around telling people who live in the suburbs or rural areas that I'd be bored to death in their podunk town, (I'm replying to your post, CD, but that's not aimed at you. I know you're just repeating an anecdote.)

Agreed on CT towns. Boring as all get out from somebody who was raised in one. CT mostly blows.

I will say that, it's universally acknowledged that NYers are a tough breed. Which is commendable. But it also bolsters my point that it is a tough place to live.

I spoke about air quality in another post, and it jogged my memory of something I posted elsewhere. NOT using this to make a point at all, but just a friendly PSA, as you obviously live in NYC:

Just made me think of it, but a PSA for those who spent time working in that area of NYC in the aftermath:​

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You should get yourself regularly screened for cancer. Even if you were in an office, school, or what have you. The air was truly toxic for months.​

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September 11: nearly 10,000 people affected by 'cesspool of cancer'​

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Obviously always best to catch it early if you can.​

 

[intlzncster]

If you've lived here, like I have, you'd know it's always been a problem. When you have millions of people crammed into subway cars, it's a great opportunity for flashers and gropers. But it's not a new or growing problem.

From the article you posted:

Instead, the police attribute the spike to other factors — a stepped-up campaign with the MTA urging the public to report subway sex crimes and the proliferation of smartphones making it easier to catch creeps in the act. Ford and other experts agree that these circumstances likely add to the surge in cases.

Do you think that New York is less safe than it was 20+ years ago?

It's not about safety nomar, it's about gross people. NYC subway is gross. I've been all over the world, and it's one of the dirtiest/grossest I'm been on around the world.

Even third world countries like Columbia have way nicer/cleaner public transport.

 

[intlzncster]

Again, this is coming from somebody who doesn't even particularly like Boston all that much.

Please don't compare the city of Boston to NYC. Boston is basically a town compared to NYC. Boston is a nice smallish city with things like colleges and history going for it but it absolutely pales in comparison to a place like NYC and I don't even like NYC all that much anymore

Well, if you want to redefine 'city', then fine. But Boston has as many people as Sydney Australia, and I'd definitely consider that a major international city. One of the best in the world actually (8 years living there).

Wouldn't want to live in either of them but I really don't see any sort of bang for your buck considering what you pay in Boston and what you actually get.

Boston pricing is out of this world to be sure. More expensive than NYC the last I checked. A lot of that is do to increased demand, which goes against your first point a bit.

But you do get way more there. Given similar cost in rent, you might have a small apt in Boston, but you are getting a shoe box in NYC.

There are three world class cities in the US- NYC, LA, and Chicago. San Fran is right there but still Tier 2 along with DC. Boston could be in that next grouping with Seattle, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, and Philly but I put Seattle, Miami and Philly above it.

Tell that to people around the world who flock to Boston for educational purposes. It's probably number one in the entire world as far as education/research goes. And growing in terms of companies/incubators that contribute to or benefit from those research hubs. It's a great walking city too. Comparatively beautiful.

Philly above Boston? hahahah Philly is a crap hole. That's coming from someone who was born there, and entire family still lives in DelCo. Seattle? Ask @FriarJ. I personally like Miami, so no comment. Wouldn't really want to live there, but I like it.