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People watched that game and thought Eli was the problem?

The guy is getting his pocket collapsed damn near immediately in every drop back.

Yeah, he's an immobile QB..he's been immobile his whole career. The organization failed him by not going fixing the line year after year.
 
whaler11 said:
Buffalo has gotta be 50/50 to be 1-15 or worse.

Arizona is worse too.
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If we're going to suck I hope the only teams worse are teams that just picked a QB. Get another top 5 pick and take a QB this time or at least get enough picks for it that you can build an offensive line
 
ConnHuskBask said:
People watched that game and thought Eli was the problem?

The guy is getting his pocket collapsed damn near immediately in every drop back.

Yeah, he's an immobile QB..he's been immobile his whole career. The organization failed him by not going fixing the line year after year.
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Eli still looked awful. There were some sacks where he just stepped right up into the rush and he was missing open receivers all night in favor of barkley checkdowns
 
The offensive line needs a shot or should be shot after this game.

The defense is good but the offense needs something like much better line play.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
People watched that game and thought Eli was the problem?

The guy is getting his pocket collapsed damn near immediately in every drop back.

Yeah, he's an immobile QB..he's been immobile his whole career. The organization failed him by not going fixing the line year after year.
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You watch any Giants game the past couple of years and think Eli is an above average or mediocre QB in the NFL?
 
ConnHuskBask said:
People watched that game and thought Eli was the problem?

The guy is getting his pocket collapsed damn near immediately in every drop back.

Yeah, he's an immobile QB..he's been immobile his whole career. The organization failed him by not going fixing the line year after year.
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He’s not THE problem, there are too many problems for there to be just one main one. BUT, his immobility behind this line exaggerates everything, his inaccuracy on deep throws, NEVER throwing the ball away when facing pressure, and always settling for dump downs causes 3rd and longs and makes us constantly lose the field position battle. This Dallas secondary is mediocre at best, and with te weapons he has he should be able to carve it up, but at this point he is a bad QB and I would love for this to be his last season, for his sake and ours as fans.
 
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JMick said:
Eli still looked awful. There were some sacks where he just stepped right up into the rush and he was missing open receivers all night in favor of barkley checkdowns
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Blame Eli all you want, but the offensive line was terrible and missed a ton of assignments which kept Eli constantly moving backwards trying to move up in the pocket that wasn't there.
 
JMick said:
Eli still looked awful. There were some sacks where he just stepped right up into the rush and he was missing open receivers all night in favor of barkley checkdowns
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What open receivers were you sering that he was missing? Unless you had an All 22 view, I didn't see that highlighted in the broadcast.

superjohn said:
You watch any Giants game the past couple of years and think Eli is an above average or mediocre QB in the NFL?
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Yes? I think he's a mediocre NFL QB. He can't win a game on his own and his immobility is exacerbated by the horrible line.
 
Giants franchise is just way too loyal, its time to move on from Eli, also for his own good.
 
Eli is playing horrified. Think he has PTSD from playing football. Not a true baller.
 
I could see us start 1-6 or 1-7 and Lauletta is getting snaps at some point in the second half.
 
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Fact of the matter is if Sam Darnold is on the Giants they are better this year and are better moving forward in the future. No second guess here, I love Eli but he’s at the end of his career and the future franchise QB was sitting there for the taken. It’s very confusing why the Giants were so short sided when it came to taking Barkley over Darnold & if I have to hear about how many weapons & explosive the Giants are, shoot me. Keep drafting weapons it seems to work . Can’t we just get back to Giants football where we dominate at the line and run the ball and sack the QB?
 
The idea they didn’t try to fix it is a bit of revisionist history.

They threw money at Solder.

Drafted Hernandez at the top of the second round.

Signed Omameh.

Eli being a statue makes it even harder to fix because the defense can tee off on him without any threat he’ll get anything done on the move.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
What open receivers were you sering that he was missing? Unless you had an All 22 view, I didn't see that highlighted in the broadcast.



Yes? I think he's a mediocre NFL QB. He can't win a game on his own and his immobility is exacerbated by the horrible line.
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He wisely took on Smith here..
 
whaler11 said:
The idea they didn’t try to fix it is a bit of revisionist history.

They threw money at Solder.

Drafted Hernandez at the top of the second round.

Signed Omameh.

Eli being a statue makes it even harder to fix because the defense can tee off on him without any threat he’ll get anything done on the move.
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Eli’s a statue and seemingly worst than ever. But no matter who’s back there after 2 games to think they look like they succeeded on the OLine or even close is ridiculous. They are Swiss cheese and people are getting through from all angles and fast. Hind sight Darnold may make a few more plays I have to agree but he’d also make a few more mistakes due to the constant pressure. Best way to put it would be 0-2 no matter who because Gettleman and the staff did a crappy job thus far. But I will give them a year they were left with a heaping pile of crap as it was.
 
mauconnfan said:
Eli’s a statue and seemingly worst than ever. But no matter who’s back there after 2 games to think they look like they succeeded on the OLine or even close is ridiculous. They are Swiss cheese and people are getting through from all angles and fast. Hind sight Darnold may make a few more plays I have to agree but he’d also make a few more mistakes due to the constant pressure. Best way to put it would be 0-2 no matter who because Gettleman and the staff did a crappy job thus far. But I will give them a year they were left with a heaping pile of crap as it was.
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This is all why the owner’s insistance they double down on Eli is the actual issue.
 
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whaler11 said:
This is all why the owner’s insistance they double down on Eli is the actual issue.
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I'm not sure about that. I get the QB thing for sure but man I love Barkley hard to say the screwed up on that. They did screw up the O Line though so many better players were available. To keep Flowers just tells you the messed up but again having said that the problem started 2-3 years ago under someone else. With the cap and everything I need to give them more than this past off season to make the right moves, this teams a mess.
 
whaler11 said:
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He wisely took on Smith here..
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It looks like he could have hit Barkley there, or even Beckham in the top right as he headed toward the goal post. There may have been other instances like this as well. My main point is that Eli is already forced to move around the pocket, which doesn't play into his strengths. The deep ball to Lattimer, or the ball to Shepard, to me, shows he still has the arm/skill to make NFL caliber throws.

whaler11 said:
This is all why the owner’s insistance they double down on Eli is the actual issue.
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As much as I've defended Eli - I also was/am very vocal about drafting a young QB and grooming them - I'm not completely blind that he's either at, or near the end of the road. I would have taken Darnold (or any of the other QBs at #2), and then had Eli play this season with the poor line. I absolutely hate half measures, like the Webb 3rd round wasted pick, or the Lauletta 4th round pick. What if they had taken a RT or DE with those picks?

I guess ultimately to all the Eli detractors, who besides the obvious (Rodgers) do you think this team would win with at QB? I don't see any other pure pocket passer getting it done.
 
Good points about wasted draft picks on QB's the last couple years. The Giants got rid of Brett Jones because the Vikings needed a starter? The front office still sucks. Manning has been unable to quickly pull the trigger on throws and hit open receivers for a while now. Always dumping down for less than first down yardage on 3rd down. I don't think Prescott will ever win a SB but his ability to run the ball helped Dallas win the game. If he was a statue like Manning we might have had a chance. If the Giants practice one thing this week they should teach Manning to throw the ball away instead of take sacks.
 
mauconnfan said:
I'm not sure about that. I get the QB thing for sure but man I love Barkley hard to say the screwed up on that. They did screw up the O Line though so many better players were available. To keep Flowers just tells you the messed up but again having said that the problem started 2-3 years ago under someone else. With the cap and everything I need to give them more than this past off season to make the right moves, this teams a mess.
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Drafting Barkley is like a last place baseball team having the best closer in the league.

They can’t fix it because they made the decision to build around Eli. There isn’t a combination of talent they can obtain that will get him over the top.

It’s even more impossible when he counts $22 million against the cap.

The moment they decided to build around Eli they punted multiple seasons.
 
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whaler11 said:
Drafting Barkley is like a last place baseball team having the best closer in the league.

They can’t fix it because they made the decision to build around Eli. There isn’t a combination of talent they can obtain that will get him over the top.

It’s even more impossible when he counts $22 million against the cap.

The moment they decided to build around Eli they punted multiple seasons.
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True but they are going to suck so hard they will be able to get their qb next draft, so only blowing 1 season in their recovery. Knowing how they operate they will probably blow that as well.

They should have brought in a top qb prospect several seasons ago. Betting on an old Eli was monumentally stupid.
 
superjohn said:
True but they are going to suck so hard they will be able to get their qb next draft, so only blowing 1 season in their recovery. Knowing how they operate they will probably blow that as well.

They should have brought in a top qb prospect several seasons ago. Betting on an old Eli was monumentally stupid.
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Yes they may so inept they luck into another opportunity to fix it. I wouldn’t put 7-9 past them yet.
 
The problem is that this class is really weak at QB. A ton of pass rushers and OL, but anyone in the discussion for the top QB is borderline top 10 at best.
 
navery12 said:
The problem is that this class is really weak at QB. A ton of pass rushers and OL, but anyone in the discussion for the top QB is borderline top 10 at best.
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It's a long rebuild anyway. Thats why they really should have traded this year's pick for more picks
 
A crazy stat about the Giants offensive futility. only 1 time over the past 24 games have they put up 24 points.
 
JMick said:
It's a long rebuild anyway. Thats why they really should have traded this year's pick for more picks
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They will have a top 8ish pick next draft to get some picks. Solidify the OL over the next two years then go all in on Haskins or Fromm
 
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