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superjohn said:
A crazy stat about the Giants offensive futility. only 1 time over the past 24 games have they put up 24 points.
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And haven’t scored 30 in 34 straight games. That’s all on the O Line though...
 
I'm just going to come out and say that my objectivity on the subject of Manning may be somewhat compromised.

If you couldn't already tell, I'm a huge Eli fan. He's been on the team since I've been in high school for crying out loud when I went to his first game against Atlanta at Giants Stadium. He's brought the franchise two unforgettable championships and I've felt like he was never given his due at the top of his game and he's certainly been given too much grief now as he's on his way out.

Aside from Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers, I don't think a lot of QBs would have this Giant unit in the playoffs and I think Eli is an easy target.

I still think he can get a team to the playoffs in the NFL, but it's not going to likely be with the Giants.

No sense in rehashing the same debate week in and week out for the next four months for me at least.
 
I agree with last post. But god, he’s like a heavy bag out there. Freaking statue. How is this team not at least somewhat explosive.? Odb Barkley engram Shepherd. Barkley looked good last night considering he had minimal room to do anything. Smh
 
You have to have an offensive line to run and pass. I mean they took a chance that Barkely could just break things open on his own and he probably will but Eli needs time to throw and when he has that time can get it done. Problem is that same as ever, he is hurried all game every game.
 
For the people who still think Eli is a decent QB, who are the starting NFL quarterbacks you think he's better than?
 
superjohn said:
For the people who still think Eli is a decent QB, who are the starting NFL quarterbacks you think he's better than?
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Wrong question. I know you and @whaler11 love to cry over spilled milk, but we took who we took in the draft and we are where we are. The question is, What can realistically be done to address the problem now? We are not getting Eli's replacement this season.
 
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8893 said:
Wrong question. I know you and @whaler11 love to cry over spilled milk, but we took who we took in the draft and we are where we are. The question is, What can realistically be done to address the problem now? We are not getting Eli's replacement this season.
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I was calling for Eli's replacement years ago. It absolutely never should have come to this, it's not how you run an NFL team. Lauletta will get his chance in a few weeks if there is any common sense left with Giants management.

Who is Eli better than?
 
8893 said:
Wrong question. I know you and @whaler11 love to cry over spilled milk, but we took who we took in the draft and we are where we are. The question is, What can realistically be done to address the problem now? We are not getting Eli's replacement this season.
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I am not crying over spilt milk - I’m spiking the ball on anyone who thought drafting Barkley was the right move.

In order to think that was the right move:
- you’d have to miss Eli isn’t cooked
- think the rest of the team was good enough to carry Eli
- completely misunderstand how to win in today’s NFL

It’s fine if fans want to believe things about the roster - it’s inexcusable for management.
 
Current starting NFL QBs that Eli is better than.

Bradford
Allen.
Trubisky
Gabbert
 
superjohn said:
I was calling for Eli's replacement years ago. It absolutely never should have come to this, it's not how you run an NFL team. Lauletta will get his chance in a few weeks if there is any common sense left with Giants management.

Who is Eli better than?
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I'm guessing he's better than Lauletta, but I don't know. I don't watch enough other teams in the NFL to know or say if he's better than any other starters in the league. I agree it shouldn't have come to this, but I can't waste emotional capital being as angry about it as you are. I try to think of ways to make it better, which, again, starts with benching Flowers imo.

whaler11 said:
I am not crying over spilt milk - I’m spiking the ball on anyone who thought drafting Barkley was the right move.

In order to think that was the right move:
- you’d have to miss Eli isn’t cooked
- think the rest of the team was good enough to carry Eli
- completely misunderstand how to win in today’s NFL

It’s fine if fans want to believe things about the roster - it’s inexcusable for management.
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I trusted the conclusion of the people doing the scouting and making the draft picks that they didn't see a franchise QB in that draft. They may have been wrong.
 
8893 said:
I'm guessing he's better than Lauletta, but I don't know. I don't watch enough other teams in the NFL to know or say if he's better than any other starters in the league. I agree it shouldn't have come to this, but I can't waste emotional capital being as angry about it as you are. I try to think of ways to make it better, which, again, starts with benching Flowers imo.



I trusted the conclusion of the people doing the scouting and making the draft picks that they didn't see a franchise QB in that draft. They may have been wrong.
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Then you trade the pick to someone who does.

The owner made the pick anyway so there wasn’t even anyone to trust.

But the current braintrust mocks analytics - that’s been a winning approach in professional sports the last few decades so I’m sure we are in good hands.
 
I see 6-10 max. Their schedule sucks as bad as their line does. I really enjoyed the extra free time last season. Don't want it this year but I am sure I can stay busy with the conference realignment board.
 
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I don't even agree that they listened to the fans with the Eli thing- most of the fans know he's washed and has been for some time. We love and appreciate him, but do you really think Giants fans would've been upset if they took any of these QBs (even crap Allen)? Come on! Eli is the only decent QB they've drafted in 35 years and the entire fanbase loved it. BUT HE'S 35!!!! WHAT. IS. THE. END. GAME. HERE!

Instead they took a kid who's incredibly talented, will probably be a great player and absolutely, positively, will not matter nor change a THING for this franchise. It was a dumb, indefensible waste of a pick. It was the kind of pick that guarantees you will be drafting top 3 for years to come.

Watch, they'll be at 2 overall again and will pass on the OL in an OL-heavy draft because their General Manager is legitimately the dumbest one in the entire sport.
 
whaler11 said:
But the current braintrust mocks analytics - that’s been a winning approach in professional sports the last few decades so I’m sure we are in good hands.
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GOOD OLD FASHIONED RUNNING FOOTBALL fart noise blerp I almost hope they go 0-16 to hear who he blames
 
zls44 said:
Instead they took a kid who's incredibly talented, will probably be a great player and absolutely, positively, will not matter nor change a THING for this franchise. It was a dumb, indefensible waste of a pick. It was the kind of pick that guarantees you will be drafting top 3 for years to come.
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zls44 said:
GOOD OLD FASHIONED RUNNING FOOTBALL fart noise blerp I almost hope they go 0-16 to hear who he blames
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Yes. Le'Veon Bell is perhaps the best running back of his generation. Patient and explosive at the same time. Great receiver, too.

And yet...
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Steelers have had higher yards per play without Bell. And identical points scored per game:


Running backs are replaceable.
 
The good news is we can draft a QB with next year's top-3 pick.

Eli certainly looks bad but the OL is so pathetic I can't even get a good read on how bad. Now the C is down for the count. Oof.

Also, what was with Shurmur punting on 4th and inches from the 50 and then going for it 5 minutes later at his own 30?
 
auror said:
Yes. Le'Veon Bell is perhaps the best running back of his generation. Patient and explosive at the same time. Great receiver, too.

And yet...
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Steelers have had higher yards per play without Bell. And identical points scored per game:


Running backs are replaceable.
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Plus, the Steelers line with the run game is a machine. Almost always been good.
 
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JMick said:
It's a long rebuild anyway. Thats why they really should have traded this year's pick for more picks
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Given all the DL this year and Gettleman's history, I'm not exactly thrilled with what I'm expecting this draft
 
zls44 said:
I don't even agree that they listened to the fans with the Eli thing- most of the fans know he's washed and has been for some time.
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Really z? That's not the impression I got from Gint fans on this board or in person.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
The fact that 90% of the passes are within like 3 yards of the line of scrimmage is so GD frustrating. If this isn’t Eli’s last year next season will be another disaster. Yes the line is pretty damn awful, but having a quarterback who can’t move for his life makes it seem that much worse. You need a mobile QB in today’s game unless you have Tom Brady, and Eli is obviously not anywhere close to that.
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Watch replays of other games.Sure to be a QB scamper. Even Ryan does it.Rogers also. Prescott? Pays dividends. Agree with you 100%
 
superjohn said:
Only silver lining is they could possibly be the worst team in the league and get the #1 pick to get their qb. I'm not even being hyperbolic, the team is basically Barkley. Beckham and a bunch of scrubs.
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What gets me is, the Giants lose to the Jags on a traditional tipped pass interception for a TD.Without that, the G-men win. Then the Jags take the Pats to the woodshed. Still shaking my head.
 
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The right move was to trade down and get as many good draft assets as they could get.
I think with a good line Eli could still be a productive QB...and I thought adding Solder and the 2nd round
Pick were two great adds.
What the hell happened.
 
The Viking said:
The right move was to trade down and get as many good draft assets as they could get.
I think with a good line Eli could still be a productive QB...and I thought adding Solder and the 2nd round
Pick were two great adds.
What the hell happened.
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Yeah agree Viking. Carl Banks agrees and still thinks the OLine may be ok still unfortunately need to play together more.....will be too late by the time they mesh if they do at all.
 
Eli has to be gun-shy after being hit so much. It is a disappointment that the line still has issues but that is a fact right now and Eli is not mobile and never has been
 
mauconnfan said:
Yeah agree Viking. Carl Banks agrees and still thinks the OLine may be ok still unfortunately need to play together more.....will be too late by the time they mesh if they do at all.
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As long as Flowers plays they're kinda screwed. If you have one (very) weak link, especially at OT, you really can't play as a unit.
 
Hankster said:
What gets me is, the Giants lose to the Jags on a traditional tipped pass interception for a TD.Without that, the G-men win. Then the Jags take the Pats to the woodshed. Still shaking my head.
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Bad teams find ways to lose in clutch situations, and good teams find ways to win in those situations.
 
nomar said:
The good news is we can draft a QB with next year's top-3 pick.

Eli certainly looks bad but the OL is so pathetic I can't even get a good read on how bad. Now the C is down for the count. Oof.

Also, what was with Shurmur punting on 4th and inches from the 50 and then going for it 5 minutes later at his own 30?
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Very Edsall of him. Start over conservative and then get super aggressive.
 
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