OT: FBI has reportedly arrested several NCAA basketball assistant coaches.

[UConnNick]

I've seen other posters reference the same thing. That out of the blue we stopped recruiting kids, who were likely offered money.

if this is true, then that means that KO and staff openly knew that other schools were offering these kids money? Why didn't we say anything? Why didn't any coach this happened to say anything?

Because of the coaching fraternity. There's an unwritten code that you don't rat out other coaches. There's a mindset that what goes around comes back to you at some future point in time. When he was at Stanford, Mike Montgomery called out Billy Donovan publicly as a guy who doesn't play by the rules. I suspect he knew something, perhaps about a battle for the same recruit. He was trashed for not giving any specifics, and he was forced to issue a public apology. He handled it badly, but there was likely something to his allegation. I think the coaches all believe that if they start slinging mud at each other the whole system will come crashing down, so they all collectively bite their tongues.

 

[Guapo]

These back to back tweets are pretty hilarious:

 

[businesslawyer]

6.1.3 is the killer for Pitino. It is the one brightline definition not subject to interpretation. The UL lawyer that put that clause in deserves a hooker and whatever leftover blow is in Jurich's office. He/She saved the university $44 million today.

And I bet the University still complained about the bill.

 

[ctchamps]

Louisville has a Top 20 football team and the defending Heisman winner. Those that drove the decision for the ACC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, etc) have no regrets.

So far. The future is TBD.

 

[nomar]

All you have to do is move out of the country and renounce your citizenship.

Also, being part of the crew that saves the earth from being obliterated by an asteroid the size of Texas exempts you, I believe.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Also, being part of the crew that saves the earth from being obliterated by an asteroid the size of Texas exempts you, I believe.

Lawyers always know those good technicalities.

 

[intlzncster]

You brought up an interesting thought in my head, with these kids who are getting paid out to commit to a school... what happens if you decide to go to Louisville for that $100,000 to the family and after year 1, you transfer out? Clearly the school can't say "excuse me officer, this kid and his family took $100,000 to come play for us and now they're leaving, get us our money back please!!!"

So does anyone think schools are or have paid out for a transfer, and that its possible families have been paid out a couple of times by strategic movement?

I was scoffed at when I floated a similar idea earlier this year. Feeling more confident in it now...

 

[scoobydoo]

So far. The future is TBD.

Isn't there hints that at UofL its not just the stuff mentioned?

I wonder how Petrino is getting the recruits he is getting.

 

[businesslawyer]

6.1.3 is the killer for Pitino. It is the one brightline definition not subject to interpretation. The UL lawyer that put that clause in deserves a hooker and whatever leftover blow is in Jurich's office. He/She saved the university $44 million today.

Subject, of course, to Pitino having done something, and not just having not known what his subordinates were doing. I think this is incredibly highly likely, but it will have to be proven to a jury's satisfaction.

 

[auror]

I was scoffed at when I floated a similar idea earlier this year. Feeling more confident in it now...

If we're talking shoe companies, it doesn't make much sense. If a kid is transferring, it means he's not going pro, which means the likelihood he becomes an NBA star capable of moving shoe sales is pretty low.

If it's just the schools paying, then yeah, sure, wouldn't surprise me.

 

[nomar]

Lawyers always know those good technicalities.

Hey, my motto is "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing"

 

[UCweCONN]

Louisville has a Top 20 football team and the defending Heisman winner. Those that drove the decision for the ACC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, etc) have no regrets.

Not after they get the death penalty for lack of institutional control across multiple sports.

 

[intlzncster]

Makes sense. What doesn't makes sense is why all the other Nike schools just go along with it.

Because they want to continue to be a Nike school in the future.

 

[intlzncster]

If we're talking shoe companies, it doesn't make much sense. If a kid is transferring, it means he's not going pro, which means the likelihood he becomes an NBA star capable of moving shoe sales is pretty low.

If it's just the schools paying, then yeah, sure, wouldn't surprise me.

I'm not marryed to the idea, but there are a few ways to look at it. Good players are transfering. The shoe companies have relationships with schools/coaches. So it's in their best interest to make that program/coach as successful as possible--the coach/school then gets better recruits in the future and gets your more guys funneled to your company. If you are a shoe company, it behooves you then to 'steal' as many good players from other companies schools as possible. You effectively have more clout, and can pick up coaches/programs in the future that way. And so on.

 

[Husky68]

Not knowing how it works, but if I was working the Nike end of this scam I would be trying to get players to "my schools" and once convinced whomever needed to be convinced would let them pick their own school. In that way the best recruiters or those with the best schools/spiels would just fight over them while having their "hands clean" with deniability. Player would get $xxx if say any of top 5 Nike schools wanted them, then 80% of $xxx if anyone of next 20 wanted, etc.
Now how would Pearl at Auburn or LSU position themselves better in this scenario. Best guess is they look to their football side on how to get a little extra to player's posse (maybe job for mom or sister, etc. Think Duke with Maggette's dad's overpaid job at booster that was never followed up by NCAA.) Not like Auburn got Scam Newton because of their excellent school of pharmacy, they got some RECRUITING skiiiiiills.

Bilas, Dukie V., all these guys knew/know what was going on. How could they not.

With all this money changing hands I bet not one coach/school ever thought of maybe greasing the palm of some referee to get a few calls, just good fortune that Duke gets so many good calls at important times in games.

 

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[FartMan69]

The only thing surprising in all of this is that it came to light as an FBI case. As soon as shoe companies start paying schools/coaches it's eventually going to trickle down to the players. Nike/Adidas sees a top prospect, uses their contract with the school to bribe players and steer them to their branded school so that come draft time it's more likely they sign officially as a pro. 1 of a billion reasons why the NBA needs to let kids come out of high school, you mucky up an already gross swamp by letting top recruits pretend to be amateurs for a year.

 

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[gampelcrazies]

Think this has to do with money. He is done

 

[scoobydoo]

The only thing surprising in all of this is that it came to light as an FBI case. As soon as shoe companies start paying schools/coaches it's eventually going to trickle down to the players. Nike/Adidas sees a top prospect, uses their contract with the school to bribe players and steer them to their branded school so that come draft time it's more likely they sign officially as a pro. 1 of a billion reasons why the NBA needs to let kids come out of high school, you mucky up an already gross swamp by letting top recruits pretend to be amateurs for a year.

In Requiem for the Big East, Rollie Massimino basically admitted to getting non-taxable bags of cash from the shoe companies.

 

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[brasssbonanzaa]

Theyre on admin leave to prevent UofL from being sued by both of them. Neither will be back.

 

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[kansashusky]

Darren Heitner‏Verified account @DarrenHeitner 3m3 minutes ago
Sources: Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation

 

[kansashusky]

Jerry Meyer‏ @jerrymeyer247 1m1 minute ago
Remember context of the Rick Pitino press conference complaining about AAU and shoe companies was in the anger of losing Antonio Blakeney.


I am positive LSU will come up dirty.

Too bad for Tremont and Will Wade.

 

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[auror]

Darren Heitner‏Verified account @DarrenHeitner 3m3 minutes ago
Sources: Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation

Round 2, here we go!