OT: FBI has reportedly arrested several NCAA basketball assistant coaches.

[WrenchFan69]

...and would you adjust for caliber? Is a future NBA stud going to be content to take the same money as a kid who gets a couple of minutes during mop up? Paying players changes nothing regarding this issue.

What I think is most likely to happen would be that kids could make money off their likeness. So they could sign autographs for money, their jersey sales would give them a cut, they could star in ads and commercials and such. So that way they don't have to pay non-revenue players. And what that will lead to is "Hi I'd like an autograph once you commit to Kentucky, I'd say a fair price would be $500k"

 

[jostar1]

Jeff Jacobs: NCAA Mess Is Only Going To Get Worse

Say UConn comes up clean in all this, well, I'm going to say it: The ACC presidents must be ashamed of themselves for picking Louisville over UConn in 2013. UConn, now the 18th ranked public university and 56th overall by U.S. News & World Report, is a strong fit for what the ACC believes it stands for. All of its schools are ranked in the top 81. Except Louisville, it's 165th. And it cheats. Not little. Something awful.

Connecticut is in a budget crisis, its flagship university looking at a massive $300 million cut. UConn needs the millions from the Power Five cartel. What would it take to throw Louisville out of the ACC and let UConn in? The FBI doesn't have that answer, but somebody should be investigating it.

Jeff Jacobs: NCAA Mess Is Only Going To Get Worse

 

[Caronimo]

So what do we know? Louisville, Zona and Miami are involved... Who else could be?

I just hope we are clean. Diaco probably paid some 2 star and will us.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

So what do we know? Louisville, Zona and Miami are involved... Who else could be?

I just hope we are clean. Diaco probably paid some 2 star and will us.

Ive seen Kansas mentioned. Anyone know if there is any validity to that?

Andrew Wiggins seems like a prime suspect. Top recruit, goes to Adidas flagship school and then signs a massive shoe deal with Adidas right after he leaves....hmmmm This was before 2015 when the investigation began, but naybe they can go back and find something on it. Either way I presume he wasn't the only one for Kansas given their level of recruiting recently.

 

[Kembacity]

Ive seen Kansas mentioned. Anyone know if there is any validity to that?

Andrew Wiggins seems like a prime suspect. Top recruit, goes to Adidas flagship school and then signs a massive shoe deal with Adidas right after he leaves....hmmmm This was before 2015 when the investigation began, but naybe they can go back and find something on it. Either way I presume he wasn't the only one for Kansas given their level of recruiting recently.

And the handful of kids they've had come and then have eligibility issues to me says they're implicated in a situation like this. Where 'handlers' of a kid are getting money, the family is, just situations where there are a lot of people involved, rather than a kid visiting a school with his family and liking it and committing

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

And the handful of kids they've had come and then have eligibility issues to me says they're implicated in a situation like this. Where 'handlers' of a kid are getting money, the family is, just situations where there are a lot of people involved, rather than a kid visiting a school with his family and liking it and committing

yeah i mean i would have to assume that any school that's been consistently landing 5 star kids has to be involved. If 5 star kids are getting paid which we now know they are, then how else are they getting them?

I could possibly see an argument that Coach K can land them on reputation and Team USA experience so he doesn't need to pay. And Cal with his one and done scheme, he doesn't need to pay since he can pretty much guarantee them a top draft pick.

But every other school, I don't see it. No way these kids are turning down 150k to go to Kansas because of their history/ Allen field house or Arizona because the girls are smoking hot.

 

[djct1999]

A lot of people are bringing up a point that this will keep happening until players get paid in college. I strongly disagree with this for countless reasons but some people dont seem to understand the main one. If you pay one college player, you have to pay them all, you cant just pay a few. Once this happens then you have to start paying other sports because paying just mbb isnt fair. Next thing you know you have to pay northwest texas polytechnic state university's womens water polo team.

You are assuming that the schools who decide to play payers will remain in the NCAA. I think one can easily see this week as the beginning of the end for the NCAA as we know it.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

A lot of people are bringing up a point that this will keep happening until players get paid in college. I strongly disagree with this for countless reasons but some people dont seem to understand the main one. If you pay one college player, you have to pay them all, you cant just pay a few. Once this happens then you have to start paying other sports because paying just mbb isnt fair. Next thing you know you have to pay northwest texas polytechnic state university's womens water polo team.

Also why would paying them stop any of this? Say the school/conference/ncaa pays the kid 25k, 50k. I have no idea what it would be. Nike and Adidas are still going to want them to represent their brand/ schools and then to eventually sign with them.

Paying the kids wont stop any of this from happening. Even if the kids are getting paid 25k or 50k from the school. They are gonna turn down 150k-250k?

 

[Rocktheworld]

Uh, thanks for the pro tip?

He just joined Fishy on my "Never provide address" list

 

[intlzncster]

I always suspected miller was up to something. ..............he always has this annoying scowl on his face and doesnt seem like the type of guy kids are dying to play for

You can be biased all you want, but I'm not sure ANYONE on this board can hold that against a coach. I mean, Jimmy was Exhibit A, B, and C.

 

[Stinger92860]

You are assuming that the schools who decide to play payers will remain in the NCAA. I think one can easily see this week as the beginning of the end for the NCAA as we know it.

I think the NBA will step in here, as there is more money available to them. I was listening to Solo last night. He suggested expanding the NBA G league and implementing the same system they use in Europe. Sign the kids when they are 16 and develop them. No more one and done, no more academic scandals. I'd rather see this, than paying for kids to play in college. You have to assume football is more dirty, not sure what to do there.

 

[intlzncster]

And so it begins...

"The real villain is the NCAA. They should kept this from happening."

You can't expect ex players to turn on players or their coaches. Bias is too strong. Just like Vitale going blaming the shoe companies.

 

[Stinger92860]

You can't expect ex players to turn on players or their coaches. Bias is too strong.

Unless there is a money trail which would be of interest to the IRS. No one reported the payouts as income.

 

[huskymedic]

Now these sources are reporting it's Pitino as well:

ABC/ESPN as well: Source: Pitino is 'Coach-2' in federal complaint

 

[intlzncster]

A lot of people are bringing up a point that this will keep happening until players get paid in college. I strongly disagree with this for countless reasons but some people dont seem to understand the main one. If you pay one college player, you have to pay them all, you cant just pay a few. Once this happens then you have to start paying other sports because paying just mbb isnt fair. Next thing you know you have to pay northwest texas polytechnic state university's womens water polo team.

As far as between sports, you can make the language be based on revenue. That is 'fair'. Most sports would get nothing.

 

[freescooter]

I think playing players is a long term disaster. It turns the sport into the d-league and who is going to care about that long term? Nobody. And a number of schools won't do it either because they can't or just won't for philosophical reasons. So who is going to watch March Madness when it involves 16 teams from P5 minor leagues and who is going to pay billions to do it?

What needs to happen is to end the 1-done program. Tell the NBA we aren't going to be your whores anymore. And tell the coaches that you recruit those guys at your peril. Guy leaves early you lose the scholarship until his class would have graduated.

The second thing is the shoe companies need to be out of the AAU program and that needs to happen tomorrow. Deprived of big money it may not disappear but will shrink back to what it was meant to be.

Third a few guys need to go to jail. Not assistants but the likes of Pitino.

Fourth, Louisville needs to get the death penalty. Followed by a long term ban and combined with a television ban. Why no tv? It also hurts the Conference who suddenly loses a chunk of its inventory. Sorry Johnny, you play with scum you get dirty. That would hurt more than the tourney ban I bet. Id be tempted to add Miami to that penalty too. Aren't they also on probation? Frankly you need to absolutely destroy a program such that they can't come back for a decade or more and I can't think of a better example. Then finally a couple of players who got paid need to spend some time making Little Rock's out of big rocks too. If Mr. Bowen were to find himself spending the next few years shooting jumpers in a prison yard somewhere instead of the Yum Center or MSG it could send a message to these punks that it isn't worth the risk.

 

[methodology]

I think the NBA will step in here, as there is more money available to them. I was listening to Solo last night. He suggested expanding the NBA G league and implementing the same system they use in Europe. Sign the kids when they are 16 and develop them. No more one and done, no more academic scandals. I'd rather see this, than paying for kids to play in college. You have to assume football is more dirty, not sure what to do there.

Not going to happen. Nba uses college bball as its farm system at no cost. They aren't going to spend the multimillion dollars to create the infrastructure and pay coaches, trainers, etc. There about 400 NBA players (roughly) these college kids aren't going to want to live in the conditions minor leaguers live in making peanuts. Just ask any minor league baseball or hockey guy. These bball players are naive to how well off they have it compared to other sports

 

[Paesano]

I think the NBA will step in here, as there is more money available to them. I was listening to Solo last night. He suggested expanding the NBA G league and implementing the same system they use in Europe. Sign the kids when they are 16 and develop them. No more one and done, no more academic scandals. I'd rather see this, than paying for kids to play in college. You have to assume football is more dirty, not sure what to do there.

Agreed! It is also not unlike baseball. Kids can get drafted coming out of high school and either go into the minors or go to college and re-enter the draft later. Let the NBA have a real minor league system and let the kids make money if they can and want to do so. Let college athletics be COLLEGE athletics again. Yeah, the quality will suffer but, so what? I will still watch the games and still watch march madness and still root for my school.

 

[intlzncster]

Unless there is a money trail which would be of interest to the IRS. No one reported the payouts as income.

I get that. I meant public statements of support/blame and the like. Behind the scenes it's every man for himself.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

He suggested expanding the NBA G league and implementing the same system they use in Europe. Sign the kids when they are 16 and develop them. No more one and done, no more academic scandals. I'd rather see this, than paying for kids to play in college.

Nah, the NBA should just go the MLB route. Create a true minor league. Have the players eligible for the draft out of high school or after their 3rd year of college. This would not force players to go to college if they don't want to (or aren't eligible), and it would enable kids who do go to college to stay for at least 3 years. My guess is that you would have the truly elite players leave after high school, but you'd have the majority decide to go to college for 3 years.

 

[Paesano]

Not going to happen. Nba uses college bball as its farm system at no cost. They aren't going to spend the multimillion dollars to create the infrastructure and pay coaches, trainers, etc. There about 400 NBA players (roughly) these college kids aren't going to want to live in the conditions minor leaguers live in making peanuts. Just ask any minor league baseball or hockey guy. These bball players are naive to how well off they have it compared to other sports

It isn't that complicated or bleak. First off, there are arenas everywhere so very little infrastructure would need to be built. Second, it would be good for the NBA to put professional basketball in more cities. Third, the top players that get drafted will get huge signing bonuses and will be just fine. They will live quite well. If it sucked that bad, the best baseball players would be going to college, not the minors.

 

[UConnSwag11]

Kentucky board posted that Jordan said Self and Andy a miller are joined at the hip

 

[Bonehead]

Anyone know which Shoe Company Bay Path is assoicated with?



Asking for a friend...

 

[Guapo]

Or you can let kids get endorsed by Nike, Adidas etc. without the school giving them a direct pay check.

Also, let them get paid for autographs, appearing at birthdays, bar mitzvahs etc

 

[freescooter]

I think the NBA will step in here, as there is more money available to them. I was listening to Solo last night. He suggested expanding the NBA G league and implementing the same system they use in Europe. Sign the kids when they are 16 and develop them. No more one and done, no more academic scandals. I'd rather see this, than paying for kids to play in college. You have to assume football is more dirty, not sure what to do there.

I agree with this except for the last part. As I posted on the football board basketball is likely way dirtier for several reasons. The impact of a single player is much bigger. You could put Tom Brady on UConn and we probably beat East Carolina. The Virginia game is closer but we still lose. Too

In hoops there is an "infrastructure" in the AAU system funded by the very same companies that fund the bribes. That doesn't exist in football.

The 1 and done system encourages this . In football you need to wait 3-5 years to earn your return and over that period there can be huge changes from injury to coaching to schematic. And the payoff is not as good. Unless you luck out and land the 1st draft pick, a highly unpredictable bet, it's likely you are paying for a guy who is going to earn less initially and over his career.

I'm going to bet that unlike what was a nationwide project funded by major corporations, most football payments are relatively small and "local" in the sense that they are funded by boosters, not international corporations.

 

[UConnSwag11]

 

[upstater]

I agree with this except for the last part. As I posted on the football board basketball is likely way dirtier for several reasons. The impact of a single player is much bigger. You could put Tom Brady on UConn and we probably beat East Carolina. The Virginia game is closer but we still lose. Too

In hoops there is an "infrastructure" in the AAU system funded by the very same companies that fund the bribes. That doesn't exist in football.

The 1 and done system encourages this . In football you need to wait 3-5 years to earn your return and over that period there can be huge changes from injury to coaching to schematic. And the payoff is not as good. Unless you luck out and land the 1st draft pick, a highly unpredictable bet, it's likely you are paying for a guy who is going to earn less initially and over his career.

I'm going to bet that unlike what was a nationwide project funded by major corporations, most football payments are relatively small and "local" in the sense that they are funded by boosters, not international corporations.

You put a top QB on 90% of teams and they win most of their games.

You don't need Brady on UConn. Put Darnold on UConn and UConn is undefeated.

Remember, Cam Newton was paid.

The reason this mentality has infested basketball is the one-and-dones--you get a much quicker return on investment.

 

[UConnSwag11]

 

[UConnSwag11]

 

[freescooter]

You put a top QB on 90% of teams and they win most of their games.

You don't need Brady on UConn. Put Darnold on UConn and UConn is undefeated.

Remember, Cam Newton was paid.

The reason this mentality has infested basketball is the one-and-dones--you get a much quicker return on investment.

Right. I agree it happens just that it is not nationally organized and I doubt it is as significant or as lucrative. And the roi point is exactly fight.