OT:. El Tigre with the DUI

[Jerry1714]

His personal life though?

Maybe, probably, but in the four years between his dad's death and his divorce he won 25 times, 4 majors and finished 1st 3 times and 2nd once on the money list. So he was still dominating the sport during the time his personal life was a mess.

 

[Goat]

Longevity obviously as one was/is injured.

Tiger won 79 of 313 starts. 25%
Jack won 73 of 586 starts. 12%
He won 14 of 69 starts in majors 20%
Jack was 18 0f 120 starts 15% (he played in some at an older age so they are very comparable in majors without the longevity factor)
Tiger was either 1st, 2nd or 3rd in 40% of his starts.
Jack was 25%.
While some believe Jack had tougher competition I don't believe when you bring the Euro's, South Africans and others into the game as much as Tiger saw them that it can be close. Tiger also won 18 World Golf Championships which included some of the best fields.

One is great the other was dominant. Both are golf!!

Not wanting to disagree with Mau, or any other reasonable poster, but my dad is channeling through me. His favorite golfer was Ben Hogan. He only got to see the Tiger who after his first professional major would not donate a signed ball to Billy Andrade and Brad Faxon to be auctioned at their charity event though every other living Master's Champion did. Hogan deserves to be mentioned in this discussion, especially when injuries (head on collision with a bus) and other things (like WW2 ) keeping you off the course are factored.

The agronomy of the time probably made it easier for something to knock the best player out, courses were not as true and equal a test as today. To a lesser extent, that was true of Jack's time, too.

Hogan's peers, born the same year, were Byron Nelson 5 majors, 54 PGA wins and Sam Snead, 5 majors, 82 PGA wins. Hogan had 9 majors and 64 wins. He won a 10th before going to serve, but it didn't count because the US Open was officially suspended for WW2. What would his record have been if there had not been war during his prime?

He played The Open once and won. From 1950-1953, after the bus accident that was thought to keep him from walking, he made 17 starts, made 17 cuts, had 15 top 10s, 10 wins and won 3 US Opens, 2 Masters and the aforementioned The Open.

For me, I'd vote Jack as GOAT. However, Mr. Hogan needed to at least get a mention.

 

[dennismenace]

No one ever docked Jim Brown points for longevity.

At the time of his retirement Jim Brown was the all time rushing leader and led the league in 8 of the nine years he played.
I think the season was 12 games then. He had broken most rushing records and did it in only 9 years with a shorter schedule than today.

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Jim Brown

Brown in 1961
No. 32
Position: Fullback
Personal information
Date of birth: (1936-02-17) February 17, 1936 (age 81)
Place of birth: St. Simons, Georgia
Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Weight: 232 lb (105 kg)
Career information
High school: Manhasset (NY)
College: Syracuse
NFL Draft: 1957 / Round: 1 / Pick: 6
Career history

• Cleveland Browns (1957–1965)

Career highlights and awards

• NFL champion (1964)
• 9× Pro Bowl (1957–1965)
• 8× First-team All-Pro (1957–1961, 1963–1965)
• 3× AP NFL Most Valuable Player (1957, 1958, 1965)
• 3× NEA NFL Most Valuable Player (1958, 1963, 1965)
• 3× UPI NFL Player of the Year (1958, 1963, 1965)
• Bert Bell Award (1963)
• NFL Rookie of the Year (1957)
• 8× NFL rushing yards leader (1957–1961, 1963–1965)
• 5× NFL rushing touchdowns leader (1957–1959, 1963, 1965)
• NFL 1960s All-Decade Team
• NFL 75th Anniversary All-Time Team
• Cleveland Browns No. 32 retired
• Consensus All-American (1956)
• Syracuse Orange No. 44 retired

Career NFL statistics
Rushing yards: 12,312
Yards per carry: 5.2
Rushing touchdowns: 106
Receptions: 262
Receiving yards: 2,499
Receiving touchdowns: 20
Player stats at NFL.com
Pro Football Hall of Fame
College Football Hall of Fame
James Nathaniel Brown (born February 17, 1936) is a former professional American football player and actor. He was a fullback for the Cleveland Browns of the National Football League (NFL) from 1957 through 1965. Considered to be among the greatest football players of all time,[1] Brown was a Pro Bowl invitee every season he was in the league, was recognized as the NFL Most Valuable Player several times, and won an NFL championship with the Browns in 1964. He led the league in rushing yards in eight out of his nine seasons, and by the time he retired, he had shattered most major rushing records. In 2002, he was named by The Sporting News as the greatest professional football player ever.[2]

 

[Tuna]

Tiger was golf for a ten year period. He was awesome. Just not the greatest of all time

Even if you're just looking at his professional career, how can you say he was only dominant for 10 years when he won 5 tournaments and was player of the year in 2013? Then consider he also won 3 consecutive US Juniors and then 3 consecutive US Ams from 91-96 and it's clear you are simply dead wrong. There is a reason everybody knew who he was as a rookie and it wasn't just the media hype machine.

 

[jibsey]

To all those who jumped on Tiger for DUI mixing alcohol with pain meds or just drinking, his blood alcohol was 0.0. Back injuries can be excruciatingly painful and he is wrong for getting behind the wheel after taking medication, but we don't at this point know what he took to cause this so I'm withholding judgement. Many here seem to want to label him an alcoholic or drug addict without knowing all the facts. If he has a pain med problem he'll get treatment.

 

[Jerry1714]

Tiger was golf for a ten year period. He was awesome. Just not the greatest of all time

10? Try 20. Over a 17 year period he finished 1st on the money list 10 times, 2nd 3 times, 4th twice. This stretch starts in 1997. In 1996 he won the NCAA individual title, the US Am, oh then he went on tour and won 2 times in his 11 starts.

 

[mauconnfan]

The average NFL career for players with at least one pro bowl appearance is 11.7

How about running backs, especially before they could even repair an injury correctly?

 

[mauconnfan]

Not wanting to disagree with Mau, or any other reasonable poster, but my dad is channeling through me. His favorite golfer was Ben Hogan. He only got to see the Tiger who after his first professional major would not donate a signed ball to Billy Andrade and Brad Faxon to be auctioned at their charity event though every other living Master's Champion did. Hogan deserves to be mentioned in this discussion, especially when injuries (head on collision with a bus) and other things (like WW2 ) keeping you off the course are factored.

The agronomy of the time probably made it easier for something to knock the best player out, courses were not as true and equal a test as today. To a lesser extent, that was true of Jack's time, too.

Hogan's peers, born the same year, were Byron Nelson 5 majors, 54 PGA wins and Sam Snead, 5 majors, 82 PGA wins. Hogan had 9 majors and 64 wins. He won a 10th before going to serve, but it didn't count because the US Open was officially suspended for WW2. What would his record have been if there had not been war during his prime?

He played The Open once and won. From 1950-1953, after the bus accident that was thought to keep him from walking, he made 17 starts, made 17 cuts, had 15 top 10s, 10 wins and won 3 US Opens, 2 Masters and the aforementioned The Open.

For me, I'd vote Jack as GOAT. However, Mr. Hogan needed to at least get a mention.

Well done. Hogan deserves mention also no doubt. But again a bunch of guys without anyone to play against. Wasn't easy to come over here or go over there to play agains more of the best golfers in the world, not just the US. GOAT is Tiger in my books and honestly without longevity being part of it, it's not close. But again, just me talking here. My favorite highlights to watch are the Bear's Masters win at 46 though!

 

[MadDogRevival]

Haven't much cared for Eldrick since he screwed over his wife and kids in such a horrible fashion, but damn, he was the best golfer ever when he was playing, and not close on that. Not the greatest career, unfortunately.

Regarding the DUI. Meh. I don't care. We live in a very permissive society when it comes to DUI. In my state, you can get a DUI every 10 years and have every one wiped off the record. I've seen guys with a 3rd DUI not get any jail time. I've seen a guy hit a pregnant woman and break her arm on a 2nd DUI and get no time.

Regarding the person who said you can take your keys out of the ignition and you're okay, that's not the law in my state (and I'd guess others). If the keys are "within your control" you lose, even if the keys are on the seat next to you. I'd guess that's the law in most places (just a guess).

If you seriously want to cut down on drunk driving in the U.S., then make it a mandatory 90 days in jail for a 1st offense, 1 year for 2nd, and 5 years for 3rd. No diversionary courses. No plea downs. No house arrest. No ankle bracelet. No work release. Just 90 days straight in the slammer.

Do that, and you'd cut drunk driving deaths in half in short order. That first soccer mom who does 90 days in jail for having a bit too much Cabernet during during the 51 shades of gray screening would be scared straight after her three month visit to county.

But it's like illegal immigration - it would be easy to change it if they wanted - the political will is not there. BTW for immigration, just pass a law that says the CEO/owner/proprietor and the hiring manager does a mandatory 6 months in prison if a new hire's SSN and information is not confirmed against a national database. You'd hear a giant sucking noise as millions left.

Of course, I'd pay triple for my brussel sprouts and guac, so I'm not saying I'm for that.

 

[superjohn]

So the media and everyone was jumping the gun per usual. Tiger had nothing to drink and just seems like one of the many millions who has a pain pharmaceutical management problem.

 

[superjohn]

To all those who jumped on Tiger for DUI mixing alcohol with pain meds or just drinking, his blood alcohol was 0.0. Back injuries can be excruciatingly painful and he is wrong for getting behind the wheel after taking medication, but we don't at this point know what he took to cause this so I'm withholding judgement. Many here seem to want to label him an alcoholic or drug addict without knowing all the facts. If he has a pain med problem he'll get treatment.

Sounds like vicodin was one of the pharmaceuticals.

 

[Ha Who]

Even if you're just looking at his professional career, how can you say he was only dominant for 10 years when he won 5 tournaments and was player of the year in 2013? Then consider he also won 3 consecutive US Juniors and then 3 consecutive US Ams from 91-96 and it's clear you are simply dead wrong. There is a reason everybody knew who he was as a rookie and it wasn't just the media hype machine.

I'm just comparing his top ten to 11 year stretch of winning majors to Jack's most dominant stretch. Of course he was great as a kid. I'm talking what defines you as the greatest. 14 Majors is far below the record

 

[Ha Who]

10? Try 20. Over a 17 year period he finished 1st on the money list 10 times, 2nd 3 times, 4th twice. This stretch starts in 1997. In 1996 he won the NCAA individual title, the US Am, oh then he went on tour and won 2 times in his 11 starts.

I'm talking majors, the definition of greatness. Of course, you'll spin it another way now. Maybe dollars earned per birdie

 

[Ha Who]

How about running backs, especially before they could even repair an injury correctly?

2.57

 

[Jimdish255]

The difference for Tiger was a singular focus on golf and training to hone his already exceptional skills and it put him in a league with the greats of all time when healthy. Two things changed that trajectory, injuries and real life when he left the bubble and got married and had a family. Plus he was obsessed with the long ball which for him was plenty long already. That and the fact that the rest of his game didn't require him to hit it to the moon every time. But he was a perfectionist trying to beat every player at every aspect of the game. Eventually he beat them all including himself.

 

[Ha Who]

Jerry you were being a dope. Did you see my earlier post? It listed the top 11 years for each player. You win,tiger had one more win during his top stretch. And there is no doubt that while he was great the media ate him up.They loved seeing someone with the African-American background taking over the golf world and it was a great story. Again, I never said he was not great, just sad to say not the greatest. It's time for you to accept that and move on

 

[Jim]

Gotta think a full-time chauffeur at $100k/yr is a decent investment.

Yeah, I'm not a caddy, but I too think Tiger should have gone with the driver.

 

[Waquoit]

Yeah, I'm not a caddy, but I too think Tiger should have gone with the driver.

Yup, but he's a cheapskate. If he went the Jeter gift basket route, he would have crushed Jack's record.

 

[mauconnfan]

Jerry you were being a dope. Did you see my earlier post? It listed the top 11 years for each player. You win,tiger had one more win during his top stretch. And there is no doubt that while he was great the media ate him up.They loved seeing someone with the African-American background taking over the golf world and it was a great story. Again, I never said he was not great, just sad to say not the greatest. It's time for you to accept that and move on

Not really, no one has to agree with you Who ha it's up for debate. So you can move on if you wish or accept it's only one of many opinions and no one's is definitive in any way.

 

[Tuna]

Jerry you were being a dope. Did you see my earlier post? It listed the top 11 years for each player. You win,tiger had one more win during his top stretch. And there is no doubt that while he was great the media ate him up.They loved seeing someone with the African-American background taking over the golf world and it was a great story. Again, I never said he was not great, just sad to say not the greatest. It's time for you to accept that and move on

I think it's pretty clear you're far from an authority on the subject so you should probably stop acting like one.

 

[The X Man]

 

[Robertelamin]

I never would have guessed he wasn't drunk. He was clearly hammered though.

 

[intlzncster]

 

[mauconnfan]

"..not to sing the national anthem backwards.." Wow and not anything to drink?

That's screwed up, he was clearly in another world. How many pills did he drop, do they have a % for that? Scary.

 

[Ha Who]

Not really, no one has to agree with you Who ha it's up for debate. So you can move on if you wish or accept it's only one of many opinions and no one's is definitive in any way.

You used the term stupid. That is the way you debate? Demean the opposition

 

[Ha Who]

I think it's pretty clear you're far from an authority on the subject so you should probably stop acting like one.

No Mr Parcells. It is you acting as a know it all when you disagree with an opposing view

 

[mauconnfan]

You used the term stupid. That is the way you debate? Demean the opposition

Ok I am so sorry! But I thought yo mentioned "it's time to accept it and move on." which in turn says I'm right and you're a dope? Sorry must have read that wrong.

 

[jayfromfla]

What we know. Tiger woods was sleeping in a car when a police officer woke him up. The policeman gave dui tests the most critical being a bretholizor. He registered 0. Since he was not driving he was not dui. He was Sui sleeping while intoxicated. He should be commended for getting off the road. The cop should have put him in a taxi not cuffs. He did the right thing when he realized he could not drive he got off the road.

 

[JSM1970]

How long before Tiger is a sponsor or Uber or Lyft?

 

[Ha Who]

Ok I am so sorry! But I thought yo mentioned "it's time to accept it and move on." which in turn says I'm right and you're a dope? Sorry must have read that wrong.

Time to move on. Go Huskies!