OT:. El Tigre with the DUI

[mauconnfan]

Longevity no comparison. Tiger was the shooting star that flamed out. He couldn't cross the finish line

Longevity obviously as one was/is injured.

Tiger won 79 of 313 starts. 25%
Jack won 73 of 586 starts. 12%
He won 14 of 69 starts in majors 20%
Jack was 18 0f 120 starts 15% (he played in some at an older age so they are very comparable in majors without the longevity factor)
Tiger was either 1st, 2nd or 3rd in 40% of his starts.
Jack was 25%.
While some believe Jack had tougher competition I don't believe when you bring the Euro's, South Africans and others into the game as much as Tiger saw them that it can be close. Tiger also won 18 World Golf Championships which included some of the best fields.

One is great the other was dominant. Both are golf!!

 

[Jerry1714]

What do you have to blow to get a DUI in Florida, .18? Do you have to be seeing double?

Outside of GA and AZ, Florida is one the strictest states for DUIs in the country.

 

[intlzncster]

Longevity obviously as one was/is injured.

Tiger won 79 of 313 starts. 25%
Jack won 73 of 586 starts. 12%
He won 14 of 69 starts in majors 20%
Jack was 18 0f 120 starts 15% (he played in some at an older age so they are very comparable in majors without the longevity factor)
Tiger was either 1st, 2nd or 3rd in 40% of his starts.
Jack was 25%.
While some believe Jack had tougher competition I don't believe when you bring the Euro's, South Africans and others into the game as much as Tiger saw them that it can be close. Tiger also won 18 World Golf Championships which included some of the best fields.

One is great the other was dominant. Both are golf!!

Oddly similar to Gretzky vs Lemieux. If 66 could have stayed healthy, I think he'd be considered the 'greater' player.

 

[Northbound]

Who'd figure that at this points in their respective careers Long John Daly would be more competitive than Tiger.

 

[uconngb]

Longevity obviously as one was/is injured.

Tiger won 79 of 313 starts. 25%
Jack won 73 of 586 starts. 12%
He won 14 of 69 starts in majors 20%
Jack was 18 0f 120 starts 15% (he played in some at an older age so they are very comparable in majors without the longevity factor)
Tiger was either 1st, 2nd or 3rd in 40% of his starts.
Jack was 25%.
While some believe Jack had tougher competition I don't believe when you bring the Euro's, South Africans and others into the game as much as Tiger saw them that it can be close. Tiger also won 18 World Golf Championships which included some of the best fields.

One is great the other was dominant. Both are golf!!

Jack had WAY tougher competition. Anyone that doesn't see that doesn't know golf. Arnie, Watson, Trevino, Player, etc won way more majors than anyone in Tiger's era. Plus Jack had something like 19 runners up in majors. Tigers talent was special, but he flamed out too soon. Jack's mental game was way better for way longer and that's why he's the greatest.

 

[superjohn]

Oddly similar to Gretzky vs Lemieux. If 66 could have stayed healthy, I think he'd be considered the 'greater' player.

I take Super Mario.

 

[Ha Who]

Longevity obviously as one was/is injured.

Tiger won 79 of 313 starts. 25%
Jack won 73 of 586 starts. 12%
He won 14 of 69 starts in majors 20%
Jack was 18 0f 120 starts 15% (he played in some at an older age so they are very comparable in majors without the longevity factor)
Tiger was either 1st, 2nd or 3rd in 40% of his starts.
Jack was 25%.
While some believe Jack had tougher competition I don't believe when you bring the Euro's, South Africans and others into the game as much as Tiger saw them that it can be close. Tiger also won 18 World Golf Championships which included some of the best fields.

One is great the other was dominant. Both are golf!!

Part of longevity is being healthy. From 63-73 Jack won 13 majors. From 97-2007 tiger won 14 a dominant stretch, just not enough to call him the greatest. As for competition I can't say. Possibly, I can give that to Tiger due to modern athletes being more health conscious. If Tiger had the guts to play more often, his stats would be more in line with the bear

 

[mauconnfan]

Jack had WAY tougher competition. Anyone that doesn't see that doesn't know golf. Arnie, Watson, Trevino, Player, etc won way more majors than anyone in Tiger's era. Plus Jack had something like 19 runners up in majors. Tigers talent was special, but he flamed out too soon. Jack's mental game was way better for way longer and that's why he's the greatest.

Typical response from you. Lol .... thanks for naming 4 guys and the etc group that's proof you know golf and I dont. Lots of Euros were over here then huh? Parity is a beautiful thing.

Again this is up for grabs as an argument but to say "anyone that doesn't see that doesn't know golf" is ignorant. Well go figure.

 

[mauconnfan]

Part of longevity is being healthy. From 63-73 Jack won 13 majors. From 97-2007 tiger won 14 a dominant stretch, just not enough to call him the greatest. As for competition I can't say. Possibly, I can give that to Tiger due to modern athletes being more health conscious. If Tiger had the guts to play more often, his stats would be more in line with the bear

I agree with most but have to think his winning % would have been real good if he added Hilton Head, River Highlands, Greenbrier and alike to his slate. These are 2 great golfers and this will always be one for the ages to discuss for golf fans.

 

[blackbird]

Apparently it wasn't alcohol, but a bad reaction to a mix of prescription medications.

Sad what happened to Tiger. I've always rooted for him to make a comeback. Still am, as unlikely as it is.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Who'd figure that at this points in their respective careers Long John Daly would be more competitive than Tiger.

Imagine the cash you could've made if there was a prop bet ten years ago on that.

2007- In the year 2017 who wins between Tiger and JD? The money that could've been made.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Looks about right for a DUI mug shot.

You know he's going to say the meds from his back had a bad interaction with the alcohol (Conveniently ignoring the meds say not to mix with alcohol).




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Always go with the low hanging fruit first.

Regardless of alcohol or pain meds, someone in his inner circle has to say no way do you drive at 3am. Ever.

Even if he's completely sober, there's too many crazies on the road at that hour.

I've listened to state troopers say that any time after midnight on weekends, about 50% of cars are driven by someone over legal limit.

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/19490176/tiger-woods-arrested-dui-florida

 

[Tuna]

The golden bear is golf. He was anointed the greatest by the media and couldn't handle the pressure of trying to catch him

This is absurd.

 

[Jerry1714]

Jack had WAY tougher competition. Anyone that doesn't see that doesn't know golf. Arnie, Watson, Trevino, Player, etc won way more majors than anyone in Tiger's era. Plus Jack had something like 19 runners up in majors. Tigers talent was special, but he flamed out too soon. Jack's mental game was way better for way longer and that's why he's the greatest.

Jack was almost 40 when Watson entered his prime. People forget Tiger was the best player in the world until 2013, a year he won five times. The depth on tour at that time was light years ahead of the 1960-1980s (Adam Scott, Justin Rose, Phil Mickelson, and Jason Dufner won the majors and Stenson won the FedEx in 2013). It is not even debatable. Yes Player, Trevino, and Arnie were all time players, but Vijah, Els, Sergio, Phil, Goosen, Langer, ect. were not slouches.

 

[uconnfan68]

Longevity obviously as one was/is injured.

Tiger won 79 of 313 starts. 25%
Jack won 73 of 586 starts. 12%
He won 14 of 69 starts in majors 20%
Jack was 18 0f 120 starts 15% (he played in some at an older age so they are very comparable in majors without the longevity factor)
Tiger was either 1st, 2nd or 3rd in 40% of his starts.
Jack was 25%.
While some believe Jack had tougher competition I don't believe when you bring the Euro's, South Africans and others into the game as much as Tiger saw them that it can be close. Tiger also won 18 World Golf Championships which included some of the best fields.

One is great the other was dominant. Both are golf!!

Jack had 19 2nd place finishes in majors. Tiger?

 

[Ha Who]

This is absurd.

How so?

 

[Chin Diesel]

Jack was almost 40 when Watson entered his prime. People forget Tiger was the best player in the world until 2013, a year he won five times. The depth on tour at that time was light years ahead of the 1960-1980s (Adam Scott, Justin Rose, Phil Mickelson, and Jason Dufner won the majors and Stenson won the FedEx in 2013). It is not even debatable. Yes Player, Trevino, and Arnie were all time players, but Vijah, Els, Sergio, Phil, Goosen, Langer, ect. were not slouches.

You're forgetting players like Floyd, Irwin, Jonny Miller, Jerry Pate. Even Seve was winning majors in the 70's.

I'll take the 1960-1985 Top 35 over the 1990-2015 crew.

And that's where most of your major champs come from.

Undoubtedly the depth in the top 100 is better now, but I'll go with Jack's era being more top heavy.

 

[Jerry1714]

You're forgetting players like Floyd, Irwin, Jonny Miller, Jerry Pate. Even Seve was winning majors in the 70's.

I'll take the 1960-1985 Top 35 over the 1990-2015 crew.

And that's where most of your major champs come from.

Undoubtedly the depth in the top 100 is better now, but I'll go with Jack's era being more top heavy.

I definitely agree that the very top was better in the Jack era as compared to 1990-2005, but the depth in the top 35 was better and depth in the top 100 was insanely better in 2015 than it was in 1975 or 1985 or 1965. Top 10 maybe not.

Anyone trying to say Tiger was a media creation or a product of his era is a flat out idiot (I know you are not but others seem to be)

 

[Chin Diesel]

Jack was almost 40 when Watson entered his prime. People forget Tiger was the best player in the world until 2013, a year he won five times. The depth on tour at that time was light years ahead of the 1960-1980s (Adam Scott, Justin Rose, Phil Mickelson, and Jason Dufner won the majors and Stenson won the FedEx in 2013). It is not even debatable. Yes Player, Trevino, and Arnie were all time players, but Vijah, Els, Sergio, Phil, Goosen, Langer, ect. were not slouches.

Jack is 9 years older than Watson.

They spent 15 years of their prime overlapped.

 

[Jerry1714]

Jack is 9 years older than Watson.

They spent 15 years of their prime overlapped.

I believe Watson turned pro 10 years or so after Jack. Watson entered his prime in 77, 16 years after Jack turned pro. Earliest you could argue was 75, still 14 years into Jacks career. Jack won 5 times after 78 and was never the top player on tour after that in terms of ranking or money.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I believe Watson turned pro 10 years or so after Jack. Watson entered his prime in 77, 16 years after Jack turned pro. Earliest you could argue was 75, still 14 years into Jacks career. Jack won 5 times after 78 and was never the top player on tour after that in terms of ranking or money.

Watson turned pro in '71. He had a 54 hole lead in US Open in 1974, won his first major in '75 and win two more in '77.

By your logic Rise, Dufner, Scott, Sergio and any other one time major winner have never had a prime.

Also Watson and Nicklaus had epic battles at Augusta and Turn Berry in '77 and at Pebble Beach in '82.

Jack won 6 majors after Watson won his first.

At a minimum there was a 12 year period (1975-1987) of overlap where they combined for 14 majors.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Nicklaus was definitely on the downside of his career but still won 2 majors in 1980. From 1981-1985 he had seven top-10's in majors and three runner ups.

At that point in his career he was on a limited schedule and was only big game hunting.

 

[Robertelamin]

I agree with most but have to think his winning % would have been real good if he added Hilton Head, River Highlands, Greenbrier and alike to his slate. These are 2 great golfers and this will always be one for the ages to discuss for golf fans.

I like the new rule that a golfer has to have played in 25 events the previous year or they have to play a new course, which is why McIlroy is playing in the Travelers this year. Now Tiger would be except from that rule because the number of tour victories he has but it would have been great if this was in place 20 years ago. I don't know how many times I've turned on CBS on a Sunday afternoon and look at a leader board filled with guys I've never or barely heard of.

 

[Jerry1714]

Watson turned pro in '71. He had a 54 hole lead in US Open in 1974, won his first major in '75 and win two more in '77.

By your logic Rise, Dufner, Scott, Sergio and any other one time major winner have never had a prime.

Also Watson and Nicklaus had epic battles at Augusta and Turn Berry in '77 and at Pebble Beach in '82.

Jack won 6 majors after Watson won his first.

At a minimum there was a 12 year period (1975-1987) of overlap where they combined for 14 majors.

Watson had 1 or 2 tournament wins before he won his first major and I don't think won another tournament until 77. Sergio had 23 pga and euro wins before winning a major. So no that is not my logic, my logic is that simply being on tour doesn't mean you are in your prime, you need to win some tournaments. So as said 75 was the earliest you could say was the start of his prime.

From 1980 on Jack was never inside the top 10 on the money list and by 85 wasn't in the top 40 and 87 the year you said they still shared a prime Jack was not on the top 100. So no they shared a prime for 5-7 years.

 

[mauconnfan]

Jack had 19 2nd place finishes in majors. Tiger?

Impressive no doubt. He played in 51 more too. but a crazy good stat