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dsturdy5 said:
I read that earlier and felt that if he was taken alive, it would be a convenient defense. Blame the dead, older brother.
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What defense? Seen leaving a bomb, robbing a store, taking part in murder of officer at MIT. I'm struggling to think how he can find an insanity defense. A defense of "my brother forced me" doesn't get you off. He would plead insanity but I don't think that option is there as a terrorist.
 
upstater said:
What defense? Seen leaving a bomb, robbing a store, taking part in murder of officer at MIT. I'm struggling to think how he can find an insanity defense. A defense of "my brother forced me" doesn't get you off. He would plead insanity but I don't think that option is there as a terrorist.
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Didn't say it would get him off, nothing will. However, there will be a defense.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Fair enough, but I disagree. If I'm some disaffected 22 year old loser fantasizing about jihad in my parents' basement, it's probably pretty encouraging to know that I can completely shut down a major American city with a couple homemade bombs.
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Two guys injured almost 200 people with homemade bombs they placed in plain view at one of the world's biggest sporting events.

Then, they murdered a cop and hijacked a car. Afterwards, they shot another cop and then engaged in a firefight complete with 200 rounds and however many grenades. When older brother got plinked, younger brother drove over his freaking body to escape.

This is not the typical disaffected loser. I doubt you have the stuff to shut down an entire city, but these two cats certainly did - the last thing we needed was a desperation rush onto a T or into a metro station or a day care or lord knows what.
 
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In Chechnya this would be ideal. But in Watertown Massachusetts on a cool day in April...not so much.
 
Thank God this manhunt is over. Great work by all the law enforcement and emergency personnel.

Hopefully we can get back to normality rather swiftly, which for the boneyard means we can get back to complaining about uniforms, HCPP's mismanagement of the game clock, the AAC, and Warde Manuel's diet- conversations I welcome much more than conversations pertaining to this current subject.
 
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Whatever happened with the 2 grabbed at the Niagara Falls bridge??

or the Norwalk train stop-and-search?
 
sledog said:
Whatever happened with the 2 grabbed at the Niagara Falls bridge??

or the Norwalk train stop-and-search?
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The train was stopped, searched, and then let go... I believe that they thought that perhaps either a 3rd suspect or white hat had boarded the train.
 
MattMang23 said:
Thank God this manhunt is over. Great work by all the law enforcement and emergency personnel.

Hopefully we can get back to normality rather swiftly, which for the boneyard means we can get back to complaining about uniforms, HCPP's mismanagement of the game clock, the AAC, and Warde Manuel's diet- conversations I welcome much more than conversations pertaining to this current subject.
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Am I the only one who finds the most frightening part of this manhunt is that some guy outside smoking a cigerette found this assclown in 5 minutes when thousands of law enforcement didn't think of actually lifting stuff up and looking underneath to find someone hiding??!

Sorry to be the buzz kill, but seriously?
 
WallStreetHusky said:
Am I the only one who finds the most frightening part of this manhunt is that some guy outside smoking a cigerette found this assclown in 5 minutes when thousands of law enforcement didn't think of actually lifting stuff up and looking underneath to find someone hiding??!

Sorry to be the buzz kill, but seriously?
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Do we know he was in the boat when the police searched the area earlier? He may have wandered in to the boat after they were there
 
CAHUSKY said:
Do we know he was in the boat when the police searched the area earlier? He may have wandered in to the boat after they were there
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I read that the official reason is he was one block outside of the search perimeter, which means he was hiding one block away from thousands of people looking for him. I am not being cynical about law enforcements efforts, but they got lucky, which is my bigger point. A lot of luck, good and bad, is involved in preventing and catching terrorists.
 
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WallStreetHusky said:
I read that the official reason is he was one block outside of the search perimeter, which means he was hiding one block away from thousands of people looking for him. I am not being cynical about law enforcements efforts, but they got lucky, which is my bigger point. A lot of luck, good and bad, is involved in preventing and catching terrorists.
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They probably did get lucky but they did need to protect the community there had to check for explosives. I think they had to display patience through the whole process knowing they had the clear advantage and they did want the suspect alive. Eventually fatigue/hunger was going to wear off, not to mention he was bleeding.
 
WallStreetHusky said:
I read that the official reason is he was one block outside of the search perimeter, which means he was hiding one block away from thousands of people looking for him. I am not being cynical about law enforcements efforts, but they got lucky, which is my bigger point. A lot of luck, good and bad, is involved in preventing and catching terrorists.
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He was covered in blood, in serious medical condition, pretty much exhausted. He was at the end of his rope. He found a boat, but he pretty much could've found some concealed bushes and nobody would have found him until they smelled the corpse.

I don't even think we can call them sophisticated terrorists. They knew how to make homemade bombs, but I don't think top of the line terrorists are going to start robbing 7-11s, shooting cops, carjacking strangers for their ATM money, etc. two days later. They either blow themselves up with the bomb or have some plan of how to fade back into the woodwork. My sense is that there aren't a lot of grand lessons we can take from this ordeal. Hopefully the only lesson is to would-be copycats - that there are too many video cameras and picture-takers out there these days to slink in and out of crowds unnoticed.
 
It might be useful for the future to see how they decided the limits of the search area. It looked like there was a big street and stores just south of where he was found in the boat, which might have made a better boundary (e.g. suspect avoiding big streets, open areas where more likely to be seen). I'm sure that it is always a guess where to set the boundary. The high level of alert with the "shelter in" message had everyone on such a high level of vigilance that he would have been found eventually as long as he did not escape the area entirely.
 
sledog said:
Whatever happened with the 2 grabbed at the Niagara Falls bridge??

or the Norwalk train stop-and-search?
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They were Turkish kids from Mass. Not Russians or Chechnyans. Stopped for having a Mass. plate.
 
Gurleyman said:
He was covered in blood, in serious medical condition, pretty much exhausted. He was at the end of his rope. He found a boat, but he pretty much could've found some concealed bushes and nobody would have found him until they smelled the corpse.

I don't even think we can call them sophisticated terrorists. They knew how to make homemade bombs, but I don't think top of the line terrorists are going to start robbing 7-11s, shooting cops, carjacking strangers for their ATM money, etc. two days later. They either blow themselves up with the bomb or have some plan of how to fade back into the woodwork. My sense is that there aren't a lot of grand lessons we can take from this ordeal. Hopefully the only lesson is to would-be copycats - that there are too many video cameras and picture-takers out there these days to slink in and out of crowds unnoticed.
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Also, posting clips on youtube about your politics is not likely for would be terrorists either.
 
WallStreetHusky said:
Am I the only one who finds the most frightening part of this manhunt is that some guy outside smoking a cigerette found this assclown in 5 minutes when thousands of law enforcement didn't think of actually lifting stuff up and looking underneath to find someone hiding??!

Sorry to be the buzz kill, but seriously?
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Well in their defense, it was bloody. I mean really who'd want to touch that?
 
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boog204 said:
The train was stopped, searched, and then let go... I believe that they thought that perhaps either a 3rd suspect or white hat had boarded the train.
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There is a pix in Sat WSJ of the train stopped on tracks in Norwalk. A friend there said he had heard many sireens at about that time.

But what about the 2 MIT dues with 4 backpacks heading for Canada at Niagra Falls?
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I dont get this at all. The kid's brought an entire city to a halt and sown a city-wide panic. What more could you ask for? I don't dispute that this is a serious issue and the first order of business is finding this dude and preventing further harm. But I also think a demonstration that these clowns don't dictate the terms upon which we live our lives is important.
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I was thinking the other day if this event was multiplied by 5-10 in our major cities on the same day. They may have found another method of terrorism to duplicate on a larger scale, which is just as disruptive financially, personally and to our freedom, if not more-so. Shutting down cities we are learning is a massive cost, but seemingly easy to do (a 19 year old kid did it).
 
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I don't understand why the second guy wanted to live through all of this now. You would think he would have killed himself during the day so now he wouldn't have to go through everything. No matter what he says that his brother put him to it or he claims he's insane he's still going to go through all the court herrings and live the test of his life in a high security prison.
 
Did the kid really shoot him self in the neck. I do think the authorities will get the kid to crack. Tamerlyn looks like the master mind behind this whole thing and used mind control on his brother much like Charles Manson would use on the Manson family.
 
3uconn said:
I don't understand why the second guy wanted to live through all of this now. You would think he would have killed himself during the day so now he wouldn't have to go through everything. No matter what he says that his brother put him to it or he claims he's insane he's still going to go through all the court herrings and live the test of his life in a high security prison.
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I dont either but it turned out into the best case scenario, we need answers especially the families of he victims and surviving victims. I would rather be dead then shot in the neck, thats for use. At the end of the day he was a scared 19 year old kid, maybe the fact that Tamerlyn died made him less motivated.
 
Scoe said:
I dont either but it turned out into the best case scenario, we need answers especially the families of he victims and surviving victims. I would rather be dead then shot in the neck, thats for use. At the end of the day he was a scared 19 year old kid, maybe the fact that Tamerlyn died made him less motivated.
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I agree that it is great for everyone so we can get answers but I saw this on the Breaking News app:
Authorities don't know if they will ever be able to question Boston Marathon bombing suspect, Boston mayor says - @BBCBreaking

This might be due to the injuries he has.
 
Some interesting stuff on boston.com reporting:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...ho-led-whom/uZnY8vkwoqBomkzmVcrYiN/story.html

Not so sure I buy the scared 19-year old younger brother angle, or the Manson-like mastermind older brother angle. The father says they've been set-up by the FBI. The mother had been spouting 9/11 conspiracy theories, claiming that the United States planned it to make us hate Muslims. Father moves back to Russia a year ago, mother stays here, oldest brother returns to Russia for six months last year, meeting at least six times with a known radical Islamist leader. Younger brother prides himself on being a great liar, and has apparently been foreshadowing some type of harm for months now. Could draw a few different conclusions from that, one of which being that the younger brother may have relished his role of appearing to fit in, all the while awaiting the day he could take part in this plan.
 
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