OT: Boston Marathon Bombing Suspects

[huskyharry]

Only because people are so fascinated by murders, the media (and internet sleuths) goes on a wild witch hunt.

Looks like people on cyberspace are excited they are from around Chechnya and are claiming they are "Muzzies". Nice to see typical hatred once again. I personally take no part in all this BS and don't know anyone who does, but if all people had compassion for others, we wouldn't have this world be as messy as it is. Glad this is coming to an end.

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Those of you who have issues with "Muzzies", learn some tolerance and try to understand. Most of us, by far, are not into war. Go to a mosque and see how many middle-aged and old men are there. Ever notice "Muzzie" terrorists are always young? As said before, Wahhabis also go after Muslims, too. The US is an ally of Saudi Arabia, the very kingdom who pushes this Wahhabi BS. According to Islam, the actions of both are punishable by death. Justice served.

You're correct, the evil does come from Saudi Arabia...one of the news reports did find a link in Dzokhar's online profile to "Salafi Islam, an extreme form of Sunni Islam". The Wahhabi/Salafi/Deobandi and similar hard-line sects of Islam are the problem, not all of Islam. However, these sects are not some trivial minority but make up a large group of people. They want the world and the law to reflect life at the time of Mohammed and anyone who disagrees is an infidel who should be killed. The source of the evil is their religious leaders and I think it is likely that we will find that there is an evil Mullah or Imam who has been coaching these perpetrators...just as the American who was taken out in Yemen by a drone attack had coached Nidal Hassan to kill all the troops at Ft. Hood.

 

[superjohn]

Normally I would say it's absurd to shut down a city but with all of the explosive devices everywhere I think it's a good move. This is a pretty extraordinary event.

 

[huskyharry]

So, now they're not even Chechnyan. They are from Kyrgyzstan. That's much more Eastern than Chechnya. Essentially, it's a country buffering the ex-USSR from China. So, lots of Russians and Europeans (30%) and minority Central Asians (Uzebks and Ughurs who are the group challenging the Chinese in that region inside China), while the rest are ethnic Kyrghiz (Turkic people) comprising about 60-65%.

Muslims comprise 80% of the population, 17% Christian, but there is no radicalization of the kind you see in Georgia (Christian) or Chechnya (Muslim). Furthermore, Europeans have tended to emigrate from the country (mainly to Germany) while the country becomes increasingly Kyrghiz and Muslim. In other words, the people who leave the country for other countries tend to be European and Christian. If you see what most Kyrghiz people look like, they have Mongolian and Asian features, while the two bombers look European. That's a generalization of course, but that's how it breaks down.

There are plenty of radicals in Kyrgyzstan, although fewer than Chechnya to be sure. We received security briefs about these groups when we traveled through Manas on the way to Afghanistan. Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan also have significant numbers of radical terrorists who participate in the violence within Afghanistan and Pakistan.
However, although one of the terrorists was born in Kyrgyzstan, the family later moved to an area in Russia near Chechnya.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Normally I would say it's absurd to shut down a city but with all of the explosive devices everywhere I think it's a good move. This is a pretty extraordinary event.

Fair enough, but I disagree. If I'm some disaffected 22 year old loser fantasizing about jihad in my parents' basement, it's probably pretty encouraging to know that I can completely shut down a major American city with a couple homemade bombs.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Fair enough, but I disagree. If I'm some disaffected 22 year old loser fantasizing about jihad in my parents' basement, it's probably pretty encouraging to know that I can completely shut down a major American city with a couple homemade bombs.

I think you're giving too much credit. If you're the kind of person who would build an incendiary device to blow off small children's legs, I don't think you're really thinking rationally about the consequences of your actions anyway.

 

[AfgHusky15]

Here is the reaction of the uncle of the two suspects. He represents the feelings of the majority of Muslim-Americans and Muslims in general...and not the two suspects (as much as many bigots would like to believe):

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...spect-urges-him-surrender-163958697.html?vp=1

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I think you're giving too much credit. If you're the kind of person who would build an incendiary device to blow off small children's legs, I don't think you're really thinking rationally about the consequences of your actions anyway.

If you build a bomb you're not thinking about the effect the bomb is going to have? Then what's the point of a bomb? The point is terrorism is to terrify people. Again, it's just my opinion but I think the overreaction to this horrible situation serves only to encourage people to do it again.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

If you build a bomb you're not thinking about the effect the bomb is going to have? Then what's the point of a bomb? The point is terrorism is to terrify people. Again, it's just my opinion but I think the overreaction to this horrible situation serves only to encourage people to do it again.

No, what I'm thinking is, if you are the kind of human being who intends to create bombs to kill innocent human beings, I don't think it really matters if you can bring a city to a stand-still or not. You're already far beyond any sort of typical rationalization for human behavior. You're not going to be like, 'Oh, hey, I do wanna kill a bunch of innocent people, but it's not really worth it for me unless they shut down the T.'

I'm just having a hard time imagining that's the difference between doing it or not. If the only thing holding you back from killing a bunch of people is whether or not you can shut down a city for a day, then you're probably already going to hurt someone regardless of what excuse we come up with.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Well, I didn't say it was the difference between doing it or not, but I think I disagree with you: I think the reaction is very much considered by people who do these sorts of things. Now, I didn't say that these two were cognizant of the fact that they were going to shut down a city. I dont know anything about them. All I said was that if I was contemplating something similar, I would be encouraged by this reaction.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Apparently being Russian now means you're Muslim.

 

[CAHUSKY]

No, what I'm thinking is, if you are the kind of human being who intends to create bombs to kill innocent human beings, I don't think it really matters if you can bring a city to a stand-still or not. You're already far beyond any sort of typical rationalization for human behavior. You're not going to be like, 'Oh, hey, I do wanna kill a bunch of innocent people, but it's not really worth it for me unless they shut down the T.'

I'm just having a hard time imagining that's the difference between doing it or not. If the only thing holding you back from killing a bunch of people is whether or not you can shut down a city for a day, then you're probably already going to hurt someone regardless of what excuse we come up with.

Disagree, the point of terror is multi faceted. One facet is to injur/kill while another is to strike fear into a community and disrupt normal life. This is a terrorists wet dream. I hate that some 19 year old numbskull can bring one of americas great cities to a complete shut down. I don't know anything about police work or anti terrorism techniques but this seems to be a little excessive to find one nutty teenager who now seems to be operating without his handler/brother

 

[Adios]

You're correct, the evil does come from Saudi Arabia...one of the news reports did find a link in Dzokhar's online profile to "Salafi Islam, an extreme form of Sunni Islam". The Wahhabi/Salafi/Deobandi and similar hard-line sects of Islam are the problem, not all of Islam. However, these sects are not some trivial minority but make up a large group of people. They want the world and the law to reflect life at the time of Mohammed and anyone who disagrees is an infidel who should be killed. The source of the evil is their religious leaders and I think it is likely that we will find that there is an evil Mullah or Imam who has been coaching these perpetrators...just as the American who was taken out in Yemen by a drone attack had coached Nidal Hassan to kill all the troops at Ft. Hood.

Life at the time of Muhammad did not mean you kill non-Muslims or even hate or look down on anyone. The worst person according to Islam is a Muslim hypocrite, which could be me. They contradict their claims of following the "salaf saaliheen" (pious predecessors/first three generations after Muhammad) and do as they please. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab was a self appointed "scholar" who was taken up by the family of al-Saud in the 1700s and was married to one of their daughters. Believe it or not, this movement was foretold.

 

[Edward Sargent]

I was Facebooked a photo apparently out there which shows Martin Richard the little child that died, his sister and Mom who are in bad shape, the bag with the second bomb right next to them and white hat backwards younger framed brother walking away. Putin should deport the Mother and Father to the US for bringing these two bastards into the world and not properly raising them so that we can hopefully reunite mother father and maybe living son in a cell surrounded by a lifetime of memories of that photo. Damn I coulda been a waterboarder.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Putin should deport the Mother and Father to the US for bringing these two bastards into the world and not properly raising them so that we can hopefully reunite mother father and maybe living son in a cell surrounded by a lifetime of memories of that photo. Damn I coulda been a waterboarder.

Are you suggesting we arrest and imprison the parents of Americans who commit crimes? Interesting theory

 

[superjohn]

I was Facebooked a photo apparently out there which shows Martin Richard the little child that died, his sister and Mom who are in bad shape, the bag with the second bomb right next to them and white hat backwards younger framed brother walking away. Putin should deport the Mother and Father to the US for bringing these two bastards into the world and not properly raising them so that we can hopefully reunite mother father and maybe living son in a cell surrounded by a lifetime of memories of that photo. Damn I coulda been a waterboarder.

I feel dumber after reading this.

 

[Edward Sargent]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I don't think that's at all a good thing. I don't understand this impulse to shut down a major american city over something like this. The whole point of terrorist acts is to prompt that kind of (over)reaction.

It isn't an over reaction if we find him and somehow bring him to justice which they will do.

 

[babysheep]

I live 4 or so blocks from Norfolk St and I am glad they shut down the metropolitan area for at least today. I think it's fairly clear this guy knows Cambridge and he and his brother were hiding out here until last night when they decided to make their move to escape. Now, unless he somehow found another car and escaped without being caught on tape by traffic light cameras, all under the immense pressure of this huge police pursuit (surprising that one 19 year old kid is still at large like this), he is somewhere in the area, and the massive commute that you see every morning in and through Cambridge would cause massive problems for law enforcement to be able to move and position themselves and react to reports of sightings or whatever. There are so many side streets and hiding places for this guy to go, they want to minimize chance of people running in to this guy because, as he has shown, not a single duck is given on his part for the well-being of others.

Boston proper might have been a bit much since there's no way dude is dumb enough to go back there (but I think that was because they're still leaving things open to the possibility of more agents involved), but I'm glad they did it. I know I felt/feel a hell of a lot safer today when the streets were essentially cleared.

Keeping the streets empty can also be huge if/when he tries to make his next move tonight, assuming he's still somewhere in the are.

 

[Edward Sargent]

Are you suggesting we arrest and imprison the parents of Americans who commit crimes? Interesting theory[/quote
I am angry ok and this is the boneyard so who cares. But some people should not ever ever be parents

 

[phillionaire]

I have a feeling that the dude died early this morning from a gunshot wound

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

It isn't an over reaction if we find him and somehow bring him to justice which they will do.

Yes. It is an overreaction to basically shut down a major american city. I would assume we will find this 19 year old kid. But I think that bringing the city to a grinding halt to do so emboldens people who are inclined toward this kind of stuff. But hey, I also think the kid should be tried, convicted, and spend the rest of his life in prison. I'm sure other people think he should be doused with gasoline and set on fire on the common, where people can take turns urinating on him. Opinions vary.

 

[8893]

It's unprecedented to lock down a major city like this, but this is an unprecedented event. They have apparently found seven more IEDs in the area and counting, including one more in Boston. They obviously believe they have him confined to a certain area and are trying to close in the perimeter. Not sure how else they could have done this while trying to limit further casualties. These kids are throwing grenades and IEDs and leaving them in their path. Allowing the people in the area to move about would only help the suspect if he's still alive. I'd be much more concerned about catching this guy and limiting further casualties than about inspiring others.

I think it's much more likely to make more people think that perhaps martyrdom ain't all it's cracked up to be.

 

[superjohn]

It's unprecedented to lock down a major city like this, but this is an unprecedented event. They have apparently found seven more IEDs in the area and counting, including one more in Boston. They obviously believe they have him confined to a certain area and are trying to close in the perimeter. Not sure how else they could have done this while trying to limit further casualties. These kids are throwing grenades and IEDs and leaving them in their path. Allowing the people in the area to move about would only help the suspect if he's still alive. I'd be much more concerned about catching this guy and limiting further casualties than about inspiring others.

I think it's much more likely to make more people think that perhaps martyrdom ain't all it's cracked up to be.

They didn't find him in that 20 block perimeter that they blocked off.

 

[8893]

They didn't find him in that 20 block perimeter that they blocked off.

I didn't realize they were finished there. Tried to pull myself away from the news for a while. Guess I'll have to tune back in. Wonder what's next.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I think it's much more likely to make more people think that perhaps martyrdom ain't all it's cracked up to be.

I dont get this at all. The kid's brought an entire city to a halt and sown a city-wide panic. What more could you ask for? I don't dispute that this is a serious issue and the first order of business is finding this dude and preventing further harm. But I also think a demonstration that these clowns don't dictate the terms upon which we live our lives is important.

 

[superjohn]

Multiple rounds of gunfire in Watertown, Mass.