OT - 2017 PGA Championship (Quail Hollow)

[jleves]

Kind of a crazy end to the day. Guys running up to the next hole to hit shots before the rest of the group is finished finished putting is hilarious. The 13 foot high duck hook just to get a shot off was awesome.

Rory and Spieth just didn't do enough to really be in the mix. Maybe if one goes nuts and shoots a 62 tomorrow, but that's not likely. Too many good players way in front of them that won't come back. I have no idea what to expect from Kisner, but Hideki, Day, Moinari, Oost, Rickie, Justin Thomas and Paul Casey just aren't going to come back enough for them to really have a chance.

Hard to bet against Hideki. When he gets his irons dialed in like he has for the last couple weeks, he's just a machine. Day has been there before and only two shots back - he has a great chance. I would expect these two in the final pairing on Sunday.

 

[Jerry1714]

While I will admit that I underestimated Rickie's popularity, he still isn't 'the most popular'. I have no idea why they would give Spieth the contract except for popularity. They tend to give these contracts to sell equipment based on how popular and accomplished a player is (which tend to go together).

Let's all just agree that Rickie is the most popular player to never win a major and we can all be right. His popularity certainly exceeds his accomplishments by a long shot. The argument that 'if he had Jordan's numbers...' is a little misplaced because he doesn't have those numbers and therefore isn't at popular as he could be. Certainly comparing him to Tiger's popularity is far fetched. Potential popularity and actual popularity are two very different things.

I did not compare him to Tiger, no one is close Tiger, nor will anyone probably ever be in terms of popularity.

UA does not sell golf equipment, they sell clothing, and at the time they signed Spieth their biggest golfer was Hunter Mahan. Yes, Hunter Mahan. UA went all in, and was right, on Spieth because he was young and a huge name in terms of potential when he turned pro so they tried to make a splash. Again, it worked.

By any measure, whether it be social media followers or interactions, fans at tournaments, ect. there are 3 players who dominate others and its Rickie, Rory, and Jordan. Phil is obviously massively popular as well but he is on the back end of his career.

 

[gtcam]

I am not convinced that if a poll was taken that Rickie would not win the popularity contest - my guess he and Rory are very close to the top
Again popularity not endorsements, wins

 

[Jerry1714]

Kind of a crazy end to the day. Guys running up to the next hole to hit shots before the rest of the group is finished finished putting is hilarious. The 13 foot high duck hook just to get a shot off was awesome.

Rory and Spieth just didn't do enough to really be in the mix. Maybe if one goes nuts and shoots a 62 tomorrow, but that's not likely. Too many good players way in front of them that won't come back. I have no idea what to expect from Kisner, but Hideki, Day, Moinari, Oost, Rickie, Justin Thomas and Paul Casey just aren't going to come back enough for them to really have a chance.

Hard to bet against Hideki. When he gets his irons dialed in like he has for the last couple weeks, he's just a machine. Day has been there before and only two shots back - he has a great chance. I would expect these two in the final pairing on Sunday.

Good to see Day back in contention, outside of the Byron Nelson I think the last time he was the PGA last year.

Hideki has had issues following up really low rounds in majors, tomorrow is huge for him.

You are right on Rory and Jordan too many guys ahead of them now.

Rickie conservative play this morning was right for the conditions at the time but the softness allowed others to be aggressive and pass him last in the day.

Cannot wait to see how Kisner handles this pressure tomorrow.

 

[Chin Diesel]

It is not just our claim but the claim of every golf analyst in the sport , but hey they are not you so they must be wrong too.

Show me one piece of data supporting your TV ratings claim, one. You cannot.

Also your argument about Speith and his contract makes you look not very bright. If you think they gave him that deal because of his popularity you are lost.

Well, we can start with Sunday's Open Championship having highest rating in 9 years and beating US Open final round ratings for first time in 20+ years.

 

[Jerry1714]

Well, we can start with Sunday's Open Championship having highest rating in 9 years and beating US Open final round ratings for first time in 20+ years.

Ok you convinced me, Matt Kuchar is the most popular player in golf.

 

[Chin Diesel]

It is not just our claim but the claim of every golf analyst in the sport , but hey they are not you so they must be wrong too.

Show me one piece of data supporting your TV ratings claim, one. You cannot.

Also your argument about Speith and his contract makes you look not very bright. If you think they gave him that deal because of his popularity you are lost.

Link to analyst calling Rickie is most popular?

 

[jleves]

I did not compare him to Tiger,

JSM did. That was the point there.

 

[Jerry1714]

Link to analyst calling Rickie is most popular?

Turn on the golf channel right now, or anytime in past 5 years.

Still waiting on those TV numbers......

P.S. I loved how you ignored the twitter interactions facts, which is by far the best evidence of fan popularity shown so far, smart move by you.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Turn on the golf channel right now, or anytime in past 5 years.

Still waiting on those TV numbers.

P.S. I loved how you ignored the twitter interactions facts, which is by far the best evidence of fan popularity shown so far, smart move by you.

You really think Twitter is the best measure of popularity? Good for you.

Newsflash. Earlier this year Butch Harmon told Rickie if he ever wants to get to the top, lay off the Twittering.

Butch Harmon tells Rickie Fowler to forget about keeping up with the Kardashians

Twitter may expand a brand but it doesn't pay like performance and the endorsement dollars and quality of companies paying you speak volumes.

 

[JSM1970]

Fair.

Tiger has rock star status. Rickie is a close second. He's crazy popular. The most popular player since Tiger.

JSM did. That was the point there.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Oh by the way, leaderboard for Saturday looks great. Young bloods, major champs, bombers, strikers, putters

 

[Jerry1714]

You really think Twitter is the best measure of popularity? Good for you.

Newsflash. Earlier this year Butch Harmon told Rickie if he ever wants to get to the top, lay off the Twittering.

Butch Harmon tells Rickie Fowler to forget about keeping up with the Kardashians

Twitter may expand a brand but it doesn't pay like performance and the endorsement dollars and quality of companies paying you speak volumes.

You're arguing performance and I am arguing fan popularity, you seem to think they are the same thing but they are not.

Whenever you want to send over those TV numbers we can revisit this but I am done with this topic until then.

The weekend should be great, very excited.

 

[Jaker]

I like Rickie, but don't think he really has the game to win majors at this point in his career.

 

[Chin Diesel]

You're arguing performance and I am arguing fan popularity, you seem to think they are the same thing but they are not.

Whenever you want to send over those TV numbers we can revisit this but I am done with this topic until then.

The weekend should be great, very excited.

I sent you TV ratings from the British Open being highest in 9 years which includes wins by Rory, Ton W's near win, etc.

I'll be nice and let you check out this year's Traveler's Championship.

Bottom line? Jordan moves the needle like only he and Rory can do right now. Not Tiger level but above anything Fowler, Say, DJ or anyone else can do.

 

[Chin Diesel]

You're arguing performance and I am arguing fan popularity, you seem to think they are the same thing but they are not.

Whenever you want to send over those TV numbers we can revisit this but I am done with this topic until then.

The weekend should be great, very excited.

You're basing popularity off of Twitter which people can opt in to or opt out of.

I'm measuring popularity off apparel sales, endorsements and TV ratings.

 

[Jerry1714]

You're basing popularity off of Twitter which people can opt in to or opt out of.

I'm measuring popularity off apparel sales, endorsements and TV ratings.

It's not twitter followers, it's interactions, huge difference, it's people talking about someone and has nothing to do with Rickie tweeting, which he actually does very little. You are clearly lost on this.

So we are basing TV ratings for players off of one tournament now? Jesus. The 2014 PGA had the highest ratings since Tiger and YE Yang, so I guess that proves Rickie is the most popular end of story. I'm not dumb enough to argue that though.

Ratings were down 16% this year at Pebble where Jordan won, larger drop than the Honda, which Rickie won. Oh and I am shocked to hear more people tuned in this year at the travelers over Russel Knox and Jerry Kelly battling it last year, shocked I tell you.

Oh and send me your apperal sales stats after you find me those TV stats.

 

[Jerry1714]

I sent you TV ratings from the British Open being highest in 9 years which includes wins by Rory, Ton W's near win, etc.

I'll be nice and let you check out this year's Traveler's Championship.

Bottom line? Jordan moves the needle like only he and Rory can do right now. Not Tiger level but above anything Fowler, Say, DJ or anyone else can do.

Also, nice work cherry picking those open numbers, overall the final round was down from last year and the open cuts of its lower rated segments and the us open doesn't so the two are not easily comparable.

I told you to give this up unless you provide actual tv stats by players but you won't give up and keep making stuff up

 

[Robertelamin]

I like Rickie, but don't think he really has the game to win majors at this point in his career.

Why not? He has already won on this course and I know its a different set up.

 

[Chin Diesel]

It's not twitter followers, it's interactions, huge difference, it's people talking about someone and has nothing to do with Rickie tweeting, which he actually does very little. You are clearly lost on this.

So we are basing TV ratings for players off of one tournament now? Jesus. The 2014 PGA had the highest ratings since Tiger and YE Yang, so I guess that proves Rickie is the most popular end of story. I'm not dumb enough to argue that though.

Ratings were down 16% this year at Pebble where Jordan won, larger drop than the Honda, which Rickie won. Oh and I am shocked to hear more people tuned in this year at the travelers over Russel Knox and Jerry Kelly battling it last year, shocked I tell you.

Oh and send me your apperal sales stats after you find me those TV stats.

I've already conceded Rickie owns Twitter.

I don't consider that the be all end all of popularity. Too many variable of people who use it.

I follow money and money says Fowler definitely isn't most popular and is definitely less popular than Spieth.

And you have nothing to refute either of those statements.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Threesomes today.

Fowler, Thomas and Casey.

Molinaro, Ooisthuizen and Stroud

Day, Matsuyama and Kisner.

Day, Kisner and Matsuyama were locked in yesterday. Doubtful all three continue hot today.

JT making a move today is what I'm looking for today.

 

[Jerry1714]

I've already conceded Rickie owns Twitter.

I don't consider that the be all end all of popularity. Too many variable of people who use it.

I follow money and money says Fowler definitely isn't most popular and is definitely less popular than Spieth.

And you have nothing to refute either of those statements.

So you don't have those apperal sales figures, cool, that's what I thought.

 

[jleves]

^^^
OK - you both disagree about something that cannot be definitively proven. Can we stop calling people out and return to talking about a great golf tournament?

 

[Drew]

Really really enjoyed my time out at Quail Hollow yesterday. The course is in absolutely BEAUTIFUL shape. It's really pretty incredible to see. The changes they made to the first hole make it one of the most difficult par 4's I've seen. Really probably could be a par 5.

We waited out the rain and we're rewarded. We sat on the green on 17 and watched all the big groups coming through at the end. Funny to see DJ Day etc sprinting from shot to shot at the end to try to finish. They actually blew the horn to get them off the course and they wound up finishing anyways.

Excited to see what happens today. Oosthuizen is one to watch in my opinion, he was knocking it real close yesterday. Matsyuama was great per usual the past couple weeks and Day will have a shot as well. Love this course, excited for the finish

 

[JSM1970]

Did you ask Phil for any stock tips?

Really really enjoyed my time out at Quail Hollow yesterday. The course is in absolutely BEAUTIFUL shape. It's really pretty incredible to see. The changes they made to the first hole make it one of the most difficult par 4's I've seen. Really probably could be a par 5.

We waited out the rain and we're rewarded. We sat on the green on 17 and watched all the big groups coming through at the end. Funny to see DJ Day etc sprinting from shot to shot at the end to try to finish. They actually blew the horn to get them off the course and they wound up finishing anyways.

Excited to see what happens today. Oosthuizen is one to watch in my opinion, he was knocking it real close yesterday. Matsyuama was great per usual the past couple weeks and Day will have a shot as well. Love this course, excited for the finish

 

[Chin Diesel]

So you don't have those apperal sales figures, cool, that's what I thought.

I'll let you pick your own self seal clubbing link.

golf apparel market share - Google Search

 

[Chin Diesel]

Really really enjoyed my time out at Quail Hollow yesterday. The course is in absolutely BEAUTIFUL shape. It's really pretty incredible to see. The changes they made to the first hole make it one of the most difficult par 4's I've seen. Really probably could be a par 5.

We waited out the rain and we're rewarded. We sat on the green on 17 and watched all the big groups coming through at the end. Funny to see DJ Day etc sprinting from shot to shot at the end to try to finish. They actually blew the horn to get them off the course and they wound up finishing anyways.

Excited to see what happens today. Oosthuizen is one to watch in my opinion, he was knocking it real close yesterday. Matsyuama was great per usual the past couple weeks and Day will have a shot as well. Love this course, excited for the finish

TV announcers kept saying how the Iris on TV camera couldn't show how dark it really was those last 15 min.

You could see the light from the scoreboard shining off the golf balls on 18.

If Day misses a win by a shot makes you wonder if he'll regret putting out on 18.

 

[jleves]

TV announcers kept saying how the Iris on TV camera couldn't show how dark it really was those last 15 min.

You could see the light from the scoreboard shining off the golf balls on 18.

If Day misses a win by a shot makes you wonder if he'll regret putting out on 18.

I would imagine the 1 shot possible difference would easily be made up by an extra 3+ hours sleep and not having to play one hole at 7:30am and then waiting around until 2pm to tee off.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I would imagine the 1 shot possible difference would easily be made up by an extra 3+ hours sleep and not having to play one hole at 7:30am and then waiting around until 2pm to tee off.

I'm sure they are aware of the risk/reward of the choices.

No guarantee he'd have made the putt this morning either.

 

[Mr. French]

All I'll say is, I'm a HUGE sports fan but a casual golf fan ... I have known Rickie for some time, but in no way would I consider him the most popular to me and anyone I know that follows golf, diehards or not.

I can't tell ya how that fits in with all your back and forth facts and opinions, but that's my 2 cents.