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Saniya Rivers is on an Unofficial Visit to SC and will also be at the Game versus Purdue today.
She's taken a lot of recent visits it seems. I could see her staying in the Carolinas, just not sure which school :D

Do you go to the CresCom tournament? My daughter played in it a few years ago. Loved it, great tournament. Anyways, two SC offer-holders will be playing:
 
She's taken a lot of recent visits it seems. I could see her staying in the Carolinas, just not sure which school :D

Do you go to the CresCom tournament? My daughter played in it a few years ago. Loved it, great tournament. Anyways, two SC offer-holders will be playing:


The North Carolina schools are trying their hardest to get her. I also think Maryland is there as well. I like SC chances with her being so close so hopefully that will be a factor.

I attend the CresCom invitational every year. I’ve seen some very talented girls come through and play. I remember A’ja Wilson dropping a tournament game record of 45 points in one game and also set the tournament record of 124 points! I also got a chance to see Diamond DeSheilds, Khadijah Sessions, Mikayla Coombs, ONO, Dominique Touissaint, Natalija Marshall, etc. I’m unaware who’s in the tournament this year but I’m excited about it.
 
Kamila Cardozo warming up for Blair Academy vs. Hamilton Heights (Olivia Miles) at the Nike TOC in Phoenix. Man, she is BIG!

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Olivia Miles (#15) at PHX TOC. Her Blair team is getting killed by Cardoso’s Hamilton Heights team.

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@Dillon77, @Orangutan, @DallasBUFan:
Bentonville had Maryam Dauda, the top-ranked 2021 post:

Thanks for passing this along. MM was apparently also in Tennessee taking in commit Alasia Hayes.

Had not been aware of any previous interest in Jersey P., but you never know. I could see interest in Dauda, the 6'4" post who is given solid markets for defending, rebounding and "initiating the fast break." (i.e., something ND does not have :-) )
 
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Thanks for passing this along. MM was apparently also in Tennessee taking in commit Alasia Hayes.
I like your wording. No doubt Alasia has been "taken in" by evil forces :cool:
 
Thanks for passing this along. MM was apparently also in Tennessee taking in commit Alasia Hayes.

Had not been aware of any previous interest in Jersey P., but you never know. I could see interest in Dauda, the 6'4" post who is given solid markets for defending, rebounding and "initiating the fast break." (i.e., something ND does not have :) )

Mabrey started following Wolfenbarger on twitter shortly after getting the job at ND.

(I can't believe you don't have a perfect memory of all my PMs!)
 
Mabrey started following Wolfenbarger on twitter shortly after getting the job at ND.

(I can't believe you don't have a perfect memory of all my PMs!)

Sorry!! Too much information during pre- and during holiday season!! :rolleyes: :)

Now that you've activated the "Orangutan Data File" in my brain, I do recall thinking that Mike probably got a look at her while she was recruiting for that one year at LSU.

Muffet must have liked what she saw:


Absolutely! Another tall guard to keep track of for Class of 2021, along with Citron, Verhulst, Rivers and Ms. Fudd! Stay tuned!
 
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Don't forget that both Sabally and Boley are WNBA draft eligible in April. Sabally could go as high as #2 in the draft. There could be as many as 4 new starters for Oregon next year.
Boley is not WNBA-ready and would benefit from another year of working on her game and conditioning. I would hope that Sabally stays for one more season to play a year with her sister.

Oregon will definitely lose Ionescu, Hebard, and Moore to graduation. Lots of potential court time for the underclassmen, 2020 signees, and 6'7" Sedona Prince in '20-'21 even if Sabally and Boley remain in Eugene.

We will have a better understanding of the talent that Graves has amassed to replace his prized Class of 2016 standouts by November. Not a Duck fan, but it appears that the Ducks may have more young depth next season than Graves has had in Eugene. Minus the "Franchise" and a player in Hebard who has out together a 2,000/1,000 points/rebounds career with uncanny efficiency in the shadow of her accomplished classmate and teammate. Opposing PAC-12 WBB fans will be happy be see Ionescu and Hebard graduate and move on to the next level.
 
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Boley is not WNBA-ready and would benefit from another year of working on her game and conditioning. I would hope that Sabally stays for one more season to play a year with her sister.

Oregon will definitely lose Ionescu, Hebard, and Moore to graduation. Lots of potential court time for the underclassmen, 2020 signees, and 6'7" Sedona Prince in '20-'21 even if Sabally and Boley remain in Eugene.

We will have a better understanding of the talent that Graves has amassed to replace his prized Class of 2016 standouts by November. Not a Duck fan, but it appears that the Ducks may have more young depth next season than Graves has had in Eugene. Minus the "Franchise" and a player in Hebard who has out together a 2,000/1,000 points/rebounds career with uncanny efficiency in the shadow of her accomplished classmate and teammate. Opposing PAC-12 WBB fans will be happy be see Ionescu and Hebard graduate and move on to the next level.

There seems to be a general misconception about the talent (on paper) that has fueled the Oregon teams for the past two seasons and this one. Ionescu is the only McDonald's All-American on those rosters that Graves initially recruited (Boley was a transfer) and the remaining players were not top 10 or even top 25 in the Hoopgurlz ratings. Hebard (#40) and Sabally (#36) are the most obvious examples, but Cazorla and Bando didn't even make the top 100, as is the case with Moore and the 3 2019 recruits, even though Shelley clearly belongs, as does, imo, Winterburn.

There are obviously reasons for this--most obviously Hoopgurlz's lack of knowledge regarding international players--but it also indicates that the Oregon staff has a very good eye for talent, as well as the abillity to develop that talent once it arrives in Eugene. (I believe that Oregon State was the only other program serously interested in S. Sabally.) Next year will be different (on paper), and @WestCoast is absolutely right: there will be more young talent in Eugene than Graves has assembled up to this point: Nyara Sabally and Sedona Prince (assuming both are heathy) + 5 incoming recruits ranked #10, #15, #19, #24, and #33 on Hoopgurlz and even higher by some services (notably Bluestar). What this will mean going forward is of course yet to be determined, but it does make 2020 and beyond a very intriguing prospect for Duck fans.
 
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There seems to be a general misconception about the talent (on paper) that has fueled the Oregon teams for the past two seasons and this one. Ionescu is the only McDonald's All-American on those rosters that Graves initially recruited (Boley was a transfer) and the remaining players were not top 10 or even top 25 in the Hoopgurlz ratings. Hebard (#40) and Sabally (#36) are the most obvious examples, but Cazorla and Bando didn't even make the top 100, as is the case with Moore and the 3 2019 recruits, even though Shelley clearly belongs, as does, imo, Winterburn.

There are obviously reasons for this--most obviously Hoopgurlz's lack of knowledge regarding international players--but it also indicates that the Oregon staff has a very good eye for talent, as well as the abillity to develop that talent once it arrives in Eugene. (I believe that Oregon State was the only other program serously interested in S. Sabally.) Next year will be different (on paper), and @WestCoast is absolutely right: there will be more young talent in Eugene than Graves has assembled up to this point: Nyara Sabally and Sedona Prince (assuming both are heathy) + 5 incoming recruits ranked #10, #15, #19, #24, and #33 on Hoopgurlz and even higher by some services (notably Bluestar). What this will mean going forward is of course yet to be determined, but it does make 2020 and beyond a very intriguing prospect for Duck fans.
 
There seems to be a general misconception about the talent (on paper) that has fueled the Oregon teams for the past two seasons and this one. Ionescu is the only McDonald's All-American on those rosters that Graves initially recruited (Boley was a transfer) and the remaining players were not top 10 or even top 25 in the Hoopgurlz ratings. Hebard (#40) and Sabally (#36) are the most obvious examples, but Cazorla and Bando didn't even make the top 100, as is the case with Moore and the 3 2019 recruits, even though Shelley clearly belongs, as does, imo, Winterburn.

There are obviously reasons for this--most obviously Hoopgurlz's lack of knowledge regarding international players--but it also indicates that the Oregon staff has a very good eye for talent, as well as the abillity to develop that talent once it arrives in Eugene. (I believe that Oregon State was the only other program serously interested in S. Sabally.) Next year will be different (on paper), and @WestCoast is absolutely right: there will be more young talent in Eugene than Graves has assembled up to this point: Nyara Sabally and Sedona Prince (assuming both are heathy) + 5 incoming recruits ranked #10, #15, #19, #24, and #33 on Hoopgurlz and even higher by some services (notably Bluestar). What this will mean going forward is of course yet to be determined, but it does make 2020 and beyond a very intriguing prospect for Duck fans.
I think PaoPao is the best player in Oregon’s 2020 class, despite being ranked the lowest by espnW, which is of course due to enduring multiple knee-related injuries.

Shelley was one that I had always regarded as probably a top-30 player based on her international resume, though Olson appears to be gradually putting less and less European and Australian prospects in his rankings, compared to when there were seemingly 5-10 in each class.

Sabally’s other three finalists, in addition to Oregon State, were Gonzaga, Kentucky, and Arizona State.
 
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Apparently USC commit Jordyn Jenkins from Kent, WA injured her knee at the end of December and may be out for the rest of the season. Nature of the injury is unspecified. Hopefully she has a quick and full recovery.
 
Latasha Lattimore was on an unofficial to Florida this weekend. My early prediction for her is Syracuse.
 
Raegan Beers, a high prospect from Colorado for 2022, made an unofficial visit to Oregon State this past weekend with her father and attended both OSU games.

opps....I see DaBball reported this in post #79. Well, I did include a pic :)

 
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There seems to be a general misconception about the talent (on paper) that has fueled the Oregon teams for the past two seasons and this one. Ionescu is the only McDonald's All-American on those rosters that Graves initially recruited (Boley was a transfer) and the remaining players were not top 10 or even top 25 in the Hoopgurlz ratings. Hebard (#40) and Sabally (#36) are the most obvious examples, but Cazorla and Bando didn't even make the top 100, as is the case with Moore and the 3 2019 recruits, even though Shelley clearly belongs, as does, imo, Winterburn.

There are obviously reasons for this--most obviously Hoopgurlz's lack of knowledge regarding international players--but it also indicates that the Oregon staff has a very good eye for talent, as well as the abillity to develop that talent once it arrives in Eugene. (I believe that Oregon State was the only other program serously interested in S. Sabally.)

With all due respect to @jonson (and others who have posted on this topic) -- and as I have previously posted on June 7, 2019 and July 18, 2019 --

I find the discussion of "underrated" and "overrated" and recruiting "misses" a bit misleading, in the sense of examining the HS Class of 2016 rankings (largely completed in the fall of 2015, after the previous HS season and summer AAU events) and looking at them through 2019 lenses.

Recruiting rankings involve evaluations of where a player IS at that particular moment in time, in terms of skills and abilities -- with some measure/allowance for potential (e.g., an uber-athlete who is just getting by on instinct and athleticism, having a metric to assess potential to correct shooting form, etc.).

Recruiting rankings CANNOT predict how a player -- likely 17 years old at the time of the last major evaluation and the rankings release before the fall signing period -- will respond to a particular coach, will adjust to college, will interact with her teammates, will overcome injuries, etc. It is a present sense impression assessment with a certain metric component for future potential; it is not a be-all, end-all prediction of college performance, nor can it be.

I do not believe that a player cannot be considered "overrated" simply because she was a very highly ranked player in the fall 2015 rankings but did not become a superstar three years later while others passed her, in terms of accolades, accomplishments, etc.. It simply means that other players improved a lot more and surpassed expected performances for their respective rankings. "Living up/not living up to expectations for the ranking" might be a better characterization.

Similarly, I do not believe a player can be considered "underrated" or "underranked" by a recruiting service (thereby characterizing the recruiting service as "wrong" or having "missed") simply because she was rated at a certain spot in the fall of her senior year in high school, then far surpassed any expectations or potential in college.

But looking at this nearly FOUR years later (again, focusing on the last major rating/evaluation occurring in the fall before a player's senior year), without accounting for all of the variables (and them some) that I listed above, then going back to critique the original rankings and determining who was/is "overrated" or "underrated" by the recruiting services and whether the under-ranking was the result of the recruiting service's "lack of knowledge"? Sorry, I do not see the requisite foundation for such an argument/assessment.
 
With all due respect to @jonson (and others who have posted on this topic) -- and as I have previously posted on June 7, 2019 and July 18, 2019 --

I find the discussion of "underrated" and "overrated" and recruiting "misses" a bit misleading, in the sense of examining the HS Class of 2016 rankings (largely completed in the fall of 2015, after the previous HS season and summer AAU events) and looking at them through 2019 lenses.

Recruiting rankings involve evaluations of where a player IS at that particular moment in time, in terms of skills and abilities -- with some measure/allowance for potential (e.g., an uber-athlete who is just getting by on instinct and athleticism, having a metric to assess potential to correct shooting form, etc.).

Recruiting rankings CANNOT predict how a player -- likely 17 years old at the time of the last major evaluation and the rankings release before the fall signing period -- will respond to a particular coach, will adjust to college, will interact with her teammates, will overcome injuries, etc. It is a present sense impression assessment with a certain metric component for future potential; it is not a be-all, end-all prediction of college performance, nor can it be.

I do not believe that a player cannot be considered "overrated" simply because she was a very highly ranked player in the fall 2015 rankings but did not become a superstar three years later while others passed her, in terms of accolades, accomplishments, etc.. It simply means that other players improved a lot more and surpassed expected performances for their respective rankings. "Living up/not living up to expectations for the ranking" might be a better characterization.

Similarly, I do not believe a player can be considered "underrated" or "underranked" by a recruiting service (thereby characterizing the recruiting service as "wrong" or having "missed") simply because she was rated at a certain spot in the fall of her senior year in high school, then far surpassed any expectations or potential in college.

But looking at this nearly FOUR years later (again, focusing on the last major rating/evaluation occurring in the fall before a player's senior year), without accounting for all of the variables (and them some) that I listed above, then going back to critique the original rankings and determining who was/is "overrated" or "underrated" by the recruiting services and whether the under-ranking was the result of the recruiting service's "lack of knowledge"? Sorry, I do not see the requisite foundation for such an argument/assessment.
I realize a discussion like this could go on forever, and in fact agree with everything you say about the many factors impacting a given players development at the college level. However, I do think that the services claim--and many fans certainly take them to provide--a bit more than a "certain metric component for future potential." After all, one recruiting service does call itself PROSPECTS NATION, and it's not difficult to find comments like "impact player at the next level" or "elite prospect" throughout the Hoopgurlz blurbs. The numerical ratings also imply a fair degree of precision, with the #2 guard presumably a better "prospect" than, say, the #8 guard. Whether that's really possible, or even fair, given all the variables you list is, I think, another, and important, question.
 
Apparently USC commit Jordyn Jenkins from Kent, WA injured her knee at the end of December and may be out for the rest of the season. Nature of the injury is unspecified. Hopefully she has a quick and full recovery.

Update. Jenkins is done for the year, it was an ACL.
 
I just noticed that South Carolina only has ONE top 100 recruit signed for next year.
#43 Eniya Russell. What's going on here? Are there other signed recruits that are outside the top 100 coming in?

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