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woomba said:
Nashville ranks high in the list of cities that Big Ten alums flock to that's not currently in the footprint so I can sort of see the logic - obviously wouldn't be an athletics based add if it ever comes to fruition.
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If Vandy does leave the SEC the charade of being an affiliation of University's could end. They we then be accepted into the NFL.
At least their players will have union representation.
 
kyleslamb said:
There are others on this board that can vouch for my credentials if you are trying to make this into a credibility issue. I covered Ohio State for nearly seven years and have a lot of friends in the media and that work in athletics.

Here is what I posted on Oct. 5, 2011 on the Syracuse board about Rutgers and Maryland:

"Personally I'm not sure I believe the Missouri offer. For a variety of reasons, I've begun the belief the Big Ten will let Missouri go to the SEC and not necessarily because of a lack of interest. I just think they're committed to staying the course and they're fine with Rutgers and Maryland joining Notre Dame and Texas, if that's how it all shakes out."

http://syracusefan.com/threads/greg-s .3705/#post-34716

Keep in mind, the Big Ten was chasing Notre Dame and Texas at the time (which obviously didn't materialize). Point is, I had Rutgers and Maryland as a combination a year before it happened.
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Ok, so I'm a believer. Can you give us your feelings, vibes and beliefs on how all this might shake out?
 
sportsart said:
Ok, so I'm a believer. Can you give us your feelings, vibes and beliefs on how all this might shake out?
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There are too many moving parts to really know. I do know the Big Ten has always kept Texas within shouting distance and there are substantial reasons to believe they're still on speed dial. The Big Ten has always planned to wind up between 16-20 teams once it made the decision to take Rutgers and Maryland. So from that standpoint, I do not believe they're done for a second and they don't believe the Grant of Rights would stop them from taking someone if they want them badly enough.

They still crave a bigger presence along the coast. I think when all is said and done they'll make another run at some folks from the Big 12 (Texas, Oklahoma and/or Kansas) and another run at some Eastern entities (North Carolina, Virginia and Georgia Tech, Florida State or Connecticut). Notre Dame would still be taken if they see the ACC being invaded and decide to join, but I think the Big Ten has moved beyond actively pursing them. Some people say Missouri is still on the radar but I'm skeptical for several reasons. I do think the Big Ten will absolutely have, at very least, teams 15 & 16 in place before the fall of 2015 (when they go to negotiate their tier-1/2 rights). From what I hear, it's very possible we see some more realignment activity this upcoming spring. That is my guess for when the Big Ten will start rattling trees again. That would allow them to make another run in 2015 if they decide to go out to 18-20.
 
kyleslamb said:
There are too many moving parts to really know. I do know the Big Ten has always kept Texas within shouting distance and there are substantial reasons to believe they're still on speed dial. The Big Ten has always planned to wind up between 16-20 teams once it made the decision to take Rutgers and Maryland. So from that standpoint, I do not believe they're done for a second and they don't believe the Grant of Rights would stop them from taking someone if they want them badly enough.

They still crave a bigger presence along the coast. I think when all is said and done they'll make another run at some folks from the Big 12 (Texas, Oklahoma and/or Kansas) and another run at some Eastern entities (North Carolina, Virginia and Georgia Tech, Florida State or Connecticut). Notre Dame would still be taken if they see the ACC being invaded and decide to join, but I think the Big Ten has moved beyond actively pursing them. Some people say Missouri is still on the radar but I'm skeptical for several reasons. I do think the Big Ten will absolutely have, at very least, teams 15 & 16 in place before the fall of 2015 (when they go to negotiate their tier-1/2 rights). From what I hear, it's very possible we see some more realignment activity this upcoming spring. That is my guess for when the Big Ten will start rattling trees again. That would allow them to make another run in 2015 if they decide to go out to 18-20.
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And what is the argument for getting bigger? Surely they view it as accretive for their bottomline, but is their another angle? Improved stability and protection against long term geo & socio-economics changes to the US?
 
From a Dan Wolken (USA Today) convo today:

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 7h
Best answer at this point, which takes care of D1 separation, is 4 leagues of 20. 10 per side, no FB crossover. League champ games = QFs

Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken 7h
@TylerDawgden Sure but I think there's about 80 programs that have the resources and desire to truly be at the highest level.

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 7h
@TylerDawgden Current P5 plus Notre Dame and BYU plus best of AAC/MWC gets you to 80 and there's a big drop off after that

One can dream....
 
huskymedic said:
From a Dan Wolken (USA Today) convo today:

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 7h
Best answer at this point, which takes care of D1 separation, is 4 leagues of 20. 10 per side, no FB crossover. League champ games = QFs

Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken 7h
@TylerDawgden Sure but I think there's about 80 programs that have the resources and desire to truly be at the highest level.

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 7h
@TylerDawgden Current P5 plus Notre Dame and BYU plus best of AAC/MWC gets you to 80 and there's a big drop off after that

One can dream....
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This is consistent with what I have always said. Four conferences of 16 leave too many schools out, which leads to political efforts, Congress and maybe the whole thing crashes and burns. If they are going to make a new club, they need to make it inclusive enough to avoid that. 80 is much more reasonable.
 
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ScottBonz said:
Visiting for 4 days in October. Staying in a BnB downtown. Girlfriend wants to move their one day.
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Great time of year to visit. Hope the two of you enjoy it. I've sadly only gone up that way a little over a dozen times. If I was younger there would have been a lot of visits. College of Charleston is there. Lots of great restaurants. Great art and music scene. I wish I could give you some heads up but google things and ask the people that live there what are things to do. City is known for its warm reception to tourists.
 
Exit 4 said:
And what is the argument for getting bigger? Surely they view it as accretive for their bottomline, but is their another angle? Improved stability and protection against long term geo & socio-economics changes to the US?
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I think the geo & socioeconomics are part of it, though I don't think they're as big a deal as people sometimes suggest. But yes, I think that's one of many factors. Revenue/stability is the biggest part with research collaboration and overall branding from coast to coast (which is helpful in a growing privatized R&D market) being the other main reasons.
 
huskymedic said:
From a Dan Wolken (USA Today) convo today:

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 7h
Best answer at this point, which takes care of D1 separation, is 4 leagues of 20. 10 per side, no FB crossover. League champ games = QFs

Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken 7h
@TylerDawgden Sure but I think there's about 80 programs that have the resources and desire to truly be at the highest level.

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 7h
@TylerDawgden Current P5 plus Notre Dame and BYU plus best of AAC/MWC gets you to 80 and there's a big drop off after that

One can dream....
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I would jump on this in a heartbeat. It just makes too much sense!
 
huskymedic said:
From a Dan Wolken (USA Today) convo today:

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 7h
Best answer at this point, which takes care of D1 separation, is 4 leagues of 20. 10 per side, no FB crossover. League champ games = QFs

Dan Wolken‏@DanWolken 7h
@TylerDawgden Sure but I think there's about 80 programs that have the resources and desire to truly be at the highest level.

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 7h
@TylerDawgden Current P5 plus Notre Dame and BYU plus best of AAC/MWC gets you to 80 and there's a big drop off after that

One can dream....
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So we have been going through realignment to get to this point. Could this not have been accomplished with ... I don't know ... taking a stab at it here ... maybe 8 conferences with 10 teams ... 9 game round robin schedule to play all your conference mates and traditional rivals yearly ... 3 out of conference games ... conference champs go to 8 team playoff ...
ACC with 10 teams
Big East with 10 teams for football
Big 8 (+2) with 10 teams
Big Ten with 10 teams (holy s&#t my home conference actually has the same number of teams as its name)
Mountain West with 10 teams
Pac 10 with 10 teams
SEC with 10 teams
SWC with 10 teams.
 
8 Conferences provides too much possible competition for ESPN.

4 Conferences can be more easily controlled.

My money (and laser sight) is always on the mouse with big ears.
 
Guys I'm not trolling here so please don't go nuts and start attacking me. This is the reason I still can't take twitter or the internet seriously. Possibly one of the stupidest rumors ever.

Anybody know this guy? MH something, for some reason your board won't let me post his handle, maybe that's by design, anyway here's your laugh of the night.

@MHver3: And in BigEast news my source at Providence tells me that the P5 have contacted them about joining in all but FB if a split occurs
 
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FriarJ said:
Guys I'm not trolling here so please don't go nuts and start attacking me. This is the reason I still can't take twitter or the internet seriously. Possibly one of the stupidest rumors ever.

Anybody know this guy? MH something, for some reason your board won't let me post his handle, maybe that's by design, anyway here's your laugh of the night.

@ : And in BigEast news my source at Providence tells me that the P5 have contacted them about joining in all but FB if a split occurs
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Notoriously insane. Although that might be the craziest thing he's ever tweeped. Which is saying something.
 
ScottBonz said:
Visiting for 4 days in October. Staying in a BnB downtown. Girlfriend wants to move their one day.
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Check out Hominy Grill and Jestine's Kitchen... not to be missed.
 
FriarJ said:
Guys I'm not trolling here so please don't go nuts and start attacking me. This is the reason I still can't take twitter or the internet seriously. Possibly one of the stupidest rumors ever.

Anybody know this guy? MH something, for some reason your board won't let me post his handle, maybe that's by design, anyway here's your laugh of the night.

@ : And in BigEast news my source at Providence tells me that the P5 have contacted them about joining in all but FB if a split occurs
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His primary agenda is to get people to follow his twitter. And it works because he gets two sets of viewers. Those who hope he's correct and those who are laughing at his nonsense and people hoping his nonsense is correct.
 
kyleslamb said:
There are others on this board that can vouch for my credentials if you are trying to make this into a credibility issue. I covered Ohio State for nearly seven years and have a lot of friends in the media and that work in athletics.

Here is what I posted on Oct. 5, 2011 on the Syracuse board about Rutgers and Maryland:

"Personally I'm not sure I believe the Missouri offer. For a variety of reasons, I've begun the belief the Big Ten will let Missouri go to the SEC and not necessarily because of a lack of interest. I just think they're committed to staying the course and they're fine with Rutgers and Maryland joining Notre Dame and Texas, if that's how it all shakes out."

http://syracusefan.com/threads/greg-s .3705/#post-34716

Keep in mind, the Big Ten was chasing Notre Dame and Texas at the time (which obviously didn't materialize). Point is, I had Rutgers and Maryland as a combination a year before it happened.
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Kyle I asked how you knew "for certain " in this quote.
"I know for certain the Big Ten has done research on Connecticut, Oklahoma and Florida State. And none of the three are AAU members.
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You indicated that you don't have a source that you can cite and that's fine.

It would not surprise me in the least that the B1g vetted UConn but it's all speculation until someone has some support for their opinion.
 
FSU has talked to the Big Ten...that was leaked to the Publisher of Warchant by someone at FSU who didn't want to be named.

It never got very far. No offer was extended. Rumors (not substantiated) say that Michigan and Wisconsin were anti FSU.

And there has been some concern at FSU about certain PC types in the Big Ten. Wisconsin and Iowa are on record saying that they would never schedule FSU as long as they use the name "Seminoles". Illinois, after 50 years of use, were forced by the NCAA to give up their mascot/symbol dressed as Chief Illiniwek.

The issue of the name Seminoles is of extreme importance to the university...enough so that they were ready to go to the mattresses with the NCAA.
 
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B1GALUM said:
So we have been going through realignment to get to this point. Could this not have been accomplished with ... I don't know ... taking a stab at it here ... maybe 8 conferences with 10 teams ... 9 game round robin schedule to play all your conference mates and traditional rivals yearly ... 3 out of conference games ... conference champs go to 8 team playoff ...
ACC with 10 teams
Big East with 10 teams for football
Big 8 (+2) with 10 teams
Big Ten with 10 teams (holy s&#t my home conference actually has the same number of teams as its name)
Mountain West with 10 teams
Pac 10 with 10 teams
SEC with 10 teams
SWC with 10 teams.
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Makes sense, yes, best for fans, yes, should have happened, yes, why it didn’t, GREED.
 
billybud said:
The issue of the name Seminoles is of extreme importance to the university...enough so that they were ready to go to the mattresses with the NCAA.
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Out of curiosity, I thought FSU had some agreement with the Seminole tribe to continue the use of the name and mascot?
 
billybud said:
FSU has talked to the Big Ten...that was leaked to the Publisher of Warchant by someone at FSU who didn't want to be named.

It never got very far. No offer was extended. Rumors (not substantiated) say that Michigan and Wisconsin were anti FSU.

And there has been some concern at FSU about certain PC types in the Big Ten. Wisconsin and Iowa are on record saying that they would never schedule FSU as long as they use the name "Seminoles". Illinois, after 50 years of use, were forced by the NCAA to give up their mascot/symbol dressed as Chief Illiniwek.

The issue of the name Seminoles is of extreme importance to the university...enough so that they were ready to go to the mattresses with the NCAA.
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This seems to contradict your post in another thread stating FSU did not want to travel north. Going to Cuse and BC infrequently compared to going up north for everything makes no sense unless the issue is not geography but the conference itself.
 
billybud said:
FSU has talked to the Big Ten...that was leaked to the Publisher of Warchant by someone at FSU who didn't want to be named.

It never got very far. No offer was extended. Rumors (not substantiated) say that Michigan and Wisconsin were anti FSU.

And there has been some concern at FSU about certain PC types in the Big Ten. Wisconsin and Iowa are on record saying that they would never schedule FSU as long as they use the name "Seminoles". Illinois, after 50 years of use, were forced by the NCAA to give up their mascot/symbol dressed as Chief Illiniwek.

The issue of the name Seminoles is of extreme importance to the university...enough so that they were ready to go to the mattresses with the NCAA.
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My, how far the mighty have fallen. 8 years ago the NCAA was speaking for indigenous people everywhere and forcing the retirement of Native American symbolism from its member schools and sanctioned events. At times this retirement was done against the will of the population the NCAA claimed they were offending (The Sioux - Univ. N. Dakota; Seminoles, - FSU, Peoria Tribe of Indians of Oklahoma have flip flopped in their support of Chief Illiniwek - Illinois (The name "Fighting Illini" refers to WWI veterans from Illinois, not Native Americans. The NCAA apparently could not force the name change of an entire state.).

Fast forward to 2013...Now the NCAA is bent over a barrel and being told by a group of members, including such historic football powerhouses like Duke, Kentucky, Iowa State, BC and Wake Forest that they should create another level for them or the members may explore other options.
 
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UConn Dan said:
Out of curiosity, I thought FSU had some agreement with the Seminole tribe to continue the use of the name and mascot?
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That was what stopped the NCAA cold....the NCAA, as usual, screwed up. They consulted a Seminole activist in Oklahoma who told the NCAA that FSU's use of the name was racist and distasteful to the tribe.

But...FSU pointed out that the use of the name Seminole had indeed come before the Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma and they supported, by vote, the desires of their brother tribe...The Seminole Tribe of Florida.

The Seminole Tribe of Florida sent a letter to the NCAA stating that they have supported FSU's use of their name and of their use of Osceola as a symbol. They stuck it in when they wondered if this was yet another case of paternalism where an organization of white men told the indian what he wanted.
 
Husky25 said:
My, how far the mighty have fallen. 8 years ago the NCAA was speaking for indigenous people everywhere and forcing the retirement of Native American symbolism from its member schools and sanctioned events. At times this retirement was done against the will of the population the NCAA claimed they were offending (The Sioux - Univ. N. Dakota; Seminoles, - FSU, Peoria Tribe of Indians of Oklahoma have flip flopped in their support of Chief Illiniwek - Illinois (The name "Fighting Illini" refers to WWI veterans from Illinois, not Native Americans. The NCAA apparently could not force the name change of an entire state.

Fast forward to 2013...Now the NCAA is bent over a barrel and being told by a group of members, including such historic football powerhouses like Duke, Kentucky, Iowa State, BC and Wake Forest that they should create another level for them or the members may explore other options.
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The NCAA is us. It is a member organization made up of the universities that play athletics under the broad banner. "They" are the members.

I, for one, think that it has been difficult to operate the sham that we have 120 teams that actually can play for the same title. We do effectively have two divisions within the Bowl Championship Series teams. The top 60 or so teams really play for the title.

Non BCS conference IA teams, in the last five seasons have won 20% ( 120-479-0) of their games against teams of BCS conferences. And those numbers are bolstered by TCU, BYU, Boise State, and La Tech's wins. Over one half of the non BCS conference IA teams have a win rate of 16.6% or below.

Duke is a prime example of a non competitive BCS football team, barely winning 21% of its games against BCS conference teams.
 
billybud said:
The NCAA is us. It is a member organization made up of the universities that play athletics under the broad banner. "They" are the members.
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That might be what it says when pen met paper all those years ago, but that is not how it is acting. The actions of the few are self serving, when if it were a true member organization, it would put the greater good ahead of the individual.

billybud said:
I, for one, think that it has been difficult to operate the sham that we have 120 teams that actually can play for the same title. We do effectively have two divisions within the Bowl Championship Series teams. The top 60 or so teams really play for the title.

Non BCS conference IA teams, in the last five seasons have won 20% ( 120-479-0) of their games against teams of BCS conferences. And those numbers are bolstered by TCU, BYU, Boise State, and La Tech's wins. Over one half of the non BCS conference IA teams have a win rate of 16.6% or below.

Duke is a prime example of a non competitive BCS football team, barely winning 21% of its games against BCS conference teams.
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Exactly my point. If this new division is to happen, the Power 5 conferences as we know them need to blow themselves up. Duke does not belong with FSU or Virginia Tech, let alone the upper echelon of the elites. I don't mind that there are only a few teams that have a rightful shot at winning the national championship, but at least the second and third levels should be given a fair shot to eventually improve over time. That would make the overall product better. Instead these few institutions are promoting this selfish model that I believe is unsustainable.

Look at the NCAA Basketball tourney. Do you really believe that there are more than 10 (15 in a good year) teams with a shot to win 6 games over 3 weeks? Of course not. But Gonzaga makes the tournament as a 13 seed. They improve. They get to the Sweet 16 a few years later, they improve, get to the Elite 8 a few years after that. Their program is thought highly enough that coaches are tabbed for other jobs. Yet they improve some more to eventually become the best team in the country for a short time. They are now in the discussion (Conversely Arizona is a "have" program. They won the Dance in the late 90's. They had a decent football program. Now they are a footnote)...That is exciting...And would never happen in a D4 world.

As it is being portrayed, the possibility of a 4th division probably removes the last distinction between the innocence of amateur college sports and an NFDL (National Football Developmental League). You know how they say if you have two starting quarterbacks, then you don't have any starting quarterbacks? I think we are about at that point. If you have two feeder systems to the NFL, then you really don't have any, and the popularity of college football in the major markets will plummet. Why pay attention to those getting paid on Saturday, when the guys on Sunday offer a better product? Say hello to the world of Triple A baseball, because that's what it'll end up being.
 
@theDudeofWV: For fans of Arizona, Cincy, BYU, USF, UCF, Houston and UCONN this is a MUST listen show.
 
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