Non-Key Tweets

[Chuck]

Yeah, just passing it along. As in "puff, puff, pass."

To steal a line from Fishy: When you have the opportunity to take the fourth best team in Texas, you have to take it.

The cherry on the top is that he wants to "project 100 years down the road"....Holy Christ!!!

That's because this time conference realignment is permanent. Seriously, they totally called "no give backs," "no cuts," "freeze," etc. this time so you have to look out at least a century. With the rise of sea levels the east and west coast are going to be dead. You don't think Delaney sees this?

 

[UConnDan97]

That's because this time conference realignment is permanent. Seriously, they totally called "no give backs," "no cuts," "freeze," etc. this time so you have to look out at least a century. With the rise of sea levels the east and west coast are going to be dead. You don't think Delaney sees this?

Unless of course, you factor in global warming, whereby in 100 years, Texas and Oklahoma are the friggin' Sahara Desert and we are the new agricultural center of the country.....just sayin'...

 

[itgoeslike]

Looking at the overall GDP growth over the past 15 years between Conn and Indiana and they're about equal in % growth, with Indiana growing more in absolute $. I'm sorry this doesn't jive with your theory that the Midwest as a barren wasteland.$298,625

Here's a more telling statistic:

2012 Per Capita Income

Connecticut $58,908 Rank: 1st

Indiana $36,902 Rank: 39th

http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm

or this one. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

 

[Stinger92860]

Looking at the overall GDP growth over the past 15 years between Conn and Indiana and they're about equal in % growth, with Indiana growing more in absolute $. I'm sorry this doesn't jive with your theory that the Midwest as a barren wasteland.


Bureau of Economic Analysis Gross Domestic Product by State (millions of current dollars)

Area Industry

1997​

1998​

1999​

2000​

2001​

2002​

2003​

2004​

2005​

2006​

2007​

2008​

2009​

2010​

2011​

2012​

Connecticut All industry total

$137,145​

$143,725​

$149,387​

$163,455​

$168,161​

$168,865​

$173,915​

$187,545​

$196,307​

$209,487​

$221,133​

$219,449​

$217,103​

$221,767​

$225,409​

$229,317​

Indiana All industry total

$168,228​

$180,015​

$187,783​

$198,238​

$199,996​

$208,674​

$220,228​

$231,762​

$239,321​

$248,630​

$261,755​

$260,971​

$252,488​

$270,739​

$284,344​

$298,625
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Please go home to your own board.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

GDP growth and "top" faculty residency preferences.

These aren't non-tweets!

 

[upstater]

So, let me get this straight. The top faculty don't want to live and work outside of large cities. I see, that means no top faculty ever want to live anywhere other than the large metro areas. Yeah, I suppose. I guess the people left in Iowa City, Madison, Champaign-Urbana, Bloomington, Lansing, Ann Arbor, Happy Valley, Lincoln, Lawerence, Boulder, Lafayette, South Bend and others are the people that couldn't get jobs in the Northeast. Yeap, I guess all that research is being done by the 2nd tier of academia.

I wonder, just wonder if the top people would want to be where the most research is being done. Maybe. Maybe the Ivy's, U of Boston, MIT and some of the other AAU schools is where the top people are. I guess not because no one would want to be anywhere other than in the big cities.

Ok. Sounds about right.

I think researchers want to be where the research is being done. If that is in the large city fine, but if not then saddle up that horse and lets ride.

I am simply telling you that when someone has a chance to get out of Indiana for a similar job in the northeast, they take it. Don't understand why you're upset at this. It happens over and over and over again.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Faculty do not move to new positions as easily as people do in the business world. It's not the same thing. Once you build your program or research project, it takes some doing to bring everything with you to a new place.

That being said, I look at lower tier schools like Iona or Pratt in NYC grabbing the top people from Minnesota or Iowa, or a place like U. I. Chicago or Loyola, Chicago nabbing stars in small towns, and it's hard not to draw conclusions (I mentioned Pratt because of a recent move by someone).

So faculty doesn't move, but when top faculty does move, your experience suggests 100% will move to cities because a friend of yours moved from Iowa to Pratt.
Hmmmmm.

 

[Marty Jackson]

I am simply telling you that when someone has a chance to get out of Indiana for a similar job in the northeast, they take it. Don't understand why you're upset at this. It happens over and over and over again.

And yet for every job that comes to the northeast, 5 go down south.

 

[upstater]

And yet for every job that comes to the northeast, 5 go down south.

Again, academia.

 

[upstater]

So faculty doesn't move, but when top faculty does move, your experience suggests 100% will move to cities because a friend of yours moved from Iowa to Pratt.
Hmmmmm.

Why else would you move to Pratt?
Seriously, it wasn't a friend of mine. It was a top person in their field, and it happens all the time. You guys act like this is a revelation or something. It's common. And, no, I'm not saying people will leave Indiana so they can do nothing at Pratt. I am saying that, all else being equal, they will leave Indiana for a better place where they can do the same research even if the school's rep isn't better or worse than Indiana. In other words, they'll leave Indiana for Rutgers or Maryland.

 

[progrocks]

From my understanding, the difference in why people are moving to crap schools in urban areas is not always where they want to be, but their spouse. Being in a small town is limiting employment, and more following spouses work these days, and you sacrifice for family. I knew many in Bloomington who had to work in Indy, which was over an hour away with some picky cops in some horrible towns.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Can anyone provide anything, anything at all which would suggest these WVU guys predicted anything that wasn't common knowledge when they tweeted?
I don't think so. So why would they have any information now?

 

[specialisthusky]

Can anyone provide anything, anything at all which would suggest these WVU guys predicted anything that wasn't common knowledge when they tweeted?
I don't think so. So why would they have any information now?

Are you convincing us or yourself? Its just fun to see what the goon squad is saying. Put no stock in their fiction. These guys obviously have no credibility.

 

[jostar1]

MH3‏@MH37h
Ok I've sat on this for weeks now. I've sat through all these laughable TX rumors and haven't spilled it yet. GOR is not ironclad.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck857h
@MH3 Who's GOR is not ironclad? B12 or ACC? Or both?

MH3‏@MH37h
@Ringneck85 All of them. The BiG10 knows it and are prepared to say as much.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck857h
@MH3 so then what value do UConn and UVA have over UT and another? Hearing AAU is a must.

MH3‏@MH37h
It's not TX that the BiG has been HEAVILY courting though. Not B12 either.

MH3‏@MH320m
@jfournet @Iamgrizzly1974 no offense to Houston but B10 wouldn't settle for anything in that state that isn't a&m or UT

MH3‏@MH36h
16 seems to be what they have decided on

MH3‏@MH36h
One of the schools I've heard that is a heavy favorite is not currently in the p5. The other resides in the south but not the Deep South

AJ Tech‏@tech_aj2m
@MHver3 My thought was UConn as the non-P5 to really solidify NYC and reach into NE. Supposedly close to AAU levels.

MH3‏@MH35m
@tech_aj I think Uconn will end up plugging a hole left by an ACC defector

MH3‏@MH32m
@Iamgrizzly1974 problem is UVA spurned the B10 openly and cut off talks abruptly when ACC went GOR. #burnedbridges

Brent Fournet‏@jfournet21m
@MH3 @tech_aj BYU? That is the only P5 team that can bring a national audience, and there football is mediocre

MH3‏@MH319m
@jfournet @tech_aj last hint: not BYU.

 

[SubbaBub]

Someone should tell that jackwagon that MD and RU are already in the B1G.

Non P5, south but not deep south...what a .

 

[DarthGrumpy]

UConn competes with the Giants, Pats, Jets, Knicks, Nets, Celtics, Bruins, Rangers, Islanders and whatever out of market NFL team people may like for whatever reason for eyeballs, wallets, and attention during football/basketball season.

That is why I said technically. In the Hartford/New Haven DMA, there are no pro sport franchises. In the two DMA’s that UConn wants to be closely associated with, NYC and Boston, there are. I am sure that Indiana sports also has to compete with the pro teams out of Chicago, too.

 

[Revrat]

I think everyone is overlooking the fact that Notre Dame is not Power 5 in football and that's what he was referring to being Petrino-like int hat they will never play a game in the ACC for their other sports. Just my guess though as to what that is trying to say since he also keeps saying that UCONN is ACC filler.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV40m
New details from one of my best B1G sources. B1G narrows focus to 5 potential schools. Details Soon.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV27m
Odd as it sounds the U of Houston is now on the B1G radar. Don’t shoot me I’m just passing it along.

Let me get this straight. The B1G fought an internal war over inviting Nebraska due to its ‘weak’ academics (US News #101, currently lowest in the B1G ) and pending loss of AAU status even in the face of a bonfire football powerhouse in terms of brand and money. Now, their next move is to add Houston, which, at best is the 7th at best athletic brand in Texas (1- U Texas, 2 – Texas A&M, 3 – TCU, 4 – Baylor, 5 – Texas Tech, 6 – SMU) and offers no money, some periodic athletic success separated by decades of failure, and no academics as they are ranked #184, which is lower than Louisville, WVU and both USF and UCF (but is higher than Memphis and ECU). If the B1G wants Houston that bad, it would be easier to rebuild Rice’s football team since they already are well established academically (US News #17).

I need a drink…

 

[upstater]

Let me get this straight. The B1G fought an internal war over inviting Nebraska due to its ‘weak’ academics (US News #101, currently lowest in the B1G ) and pending loss of AAU status even in the face of a bonfire football powerhouse in terms of brand and money. Now, their next move is to add Houston, which, at best is the 7th at best athletic brand in Texas (1- U Texas, 2 – Texas A&M, 3 – TCU, 4 – Baylor, 5 – Texas Tech, 6 – SMU) and offers no money, some periodic athletic success separated by decades of failure, and no academics as they are ranked #184, which is lower than Louisville, WVU and both USF and UCF (but is higher than Memphis and ECU). If the B1G wants Houston that bad, it would be easier to rebuild Rice’s football team since they already are well established academically (US News #17).

I need a drink…

But, the internal war over Nebraska had nothing to do with football. Everyone was on board and happy to invite Nebraska into the B1G. The internal war pitted PSU, Northwestern and Illinois (Nebraska's AAU backers) against Michigan and Wisconsin. One of the presidents off-the-record said that Nebraska's AAU status never came up once in the discussion to add them to the B1G. I'm not sure if that's because they didn't really care or because everyone knew there was behind the scenes treachery going on. I suspect it's the former because the emails that were sent just prior to the AAU vote (AFTER Nebraska had already been admitted to the B1G) expressed huge surprise that Michigan and Wisky had the votes to oust Nebraska from the AAU.

 

[progrocks]

Houston is a commuter school. A few good departments, but not in any way near B1G quality. There is no way this happens.

That said, They are no worse than 4th best college brand in the state. TCU, Baylor, and SMU only matter if you went there.

The Rice stadium once hosted the Super Bowl, but would need MASSIVE upgrades to be at the level necessary now. Plus, the school would have no desire to compete at that level. They would make NW look like world beaters in comparison.

 

[CTMike]

Someone is floating the UofH rumor to try and sniff out Texas info.

As for the 25 to 100 year view... what a load of crap. We'll be having these conversations every time a TV contract comes up. 0% chance that conferences stay static in next 25 years, never mind 100. UofH is a terrible pick today, and there's no wishing and hoping around that.

 

[GopherHawk]

Houston is a commuter school. A few good departments, but not in any way near B1G quality. There is no way this happens.

That said, They are no worse than 4th best college brand in the state. TCU, Baylor, and SMU only matter if you went there.

The Rice stadium once hosted the Super Bowl, but would need MASSIVE upgrades to be at the level necessary now. Plus, the school would have no desire to compete at that level. They would make NW look like world beaters in comparison.

I don't think Rice is the choice, but I would bet they would make the investment if invited. Their in CUSA. It's not like the aren't FBS

 

[B1GALUM]

Alright. Since MH3 and the Dude of WV have been at it in full force today, I have decided to start my own rumor ...

Step 1: The B1G invites Army and Navy: respected institutions, national audience, traditional Army -Navy rivalry game, Army - Rutgers rivalry, Navy - Maryland rivalry, NYC and Washington DC proximity, unique institutions so B1G not worried about AAU and graduate education.

Step 2: The B1G invites UConn: state flagship public research university, not AAU but enhancing faculty and research and endowment, basketball brand, NYC proximity.

Step 3: Delany ... "Hey Notre Dame, you sure about that whole ACC thing?" "Come on over to the B1G. We have traditional rivalries for you: Navy, Army, Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan. We have NYC proximity with Army, Rutgers, UConn. We have Washington DC proximity with Navy, Maryland. We have that whole Rose Bowl thing going with the PAC with your rivals USC and Stanford. You come along we may even be able to convince Texas to join and bring along a mate. We will be one B1G family"

Anyway back to reality ...

 

[ctchamps]

Looking at the overall GDP growth over the past 15 years between Conn and Indiana and they're about equal in % growth, with Indiana growing more in absolute $. I'm sorry this doesn't jive with your theory that the Midwest as a barren wasteland.

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I don't have an agenda! Just thought it strange you picked two years when I responded to you in the original post. However since you presented this new data it tells me Ct is far more productive per person than Indiana. Almost double. BTW I live in SC so Indiana is a wonderland by comparison. The better comparison for the Big Ten would be to take all the endowments of the various higher education institutions in Indiana vs. Ct. In fact I would recommend Indiana vs New England. Why? Because the region is culturally connected and there is a potential that it would align with a strong university that is a player on the national scene. And then you could begin to see the untapped potential that UConn brings.

My impression of your agenda is that you don't want to place any value to the history conehead and others have presented about the Northeast's general favoring of private schools over the publics in the past. This was the opposite of what took place in other regions of the country particularly the midwest and California. But that trend is changing in a big way in Ct. That scares those privates in the northeast who are just one tier above UConn. Schools such as BC and Syracuse. They know that they are beginning to compete with UConn for the better students. Unlike folks in the Southeast and Midwest they are very aware of the rapid changes that have taken place both in academics and athletics in the last decade at UConn. It is this rapid rate of growth that frightens these institutions. It is only a matter of time that they will have a difficult time competing with UConn on many levels and they know it even as those in the Midwest and Southeast don't. That is why BC blocked UConn's admission. It is the president of that university and not the AD who understands the dynamics that is taking place in the northeast and is trying his best to sabotage things.

 

[jostar1]

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
Just to answer a question. My info is coming straight from a B1G school who is against anyone non-AAU & confirmed by contact @ OSU.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
An ACC school is on the short list but I’m not mentioning them as to not jinx it. But talk is still just talk.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
@tech_aj But ill say this. It’s one of the schools in the ACC that had agreed to play WVU just not announced it yet.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV1h
@OldGoldnBlueB12 Not Pitt or PSU of course.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
@tech_aj Not talking about it but I have emailed the name if the school to people just to get it on record.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV3h
Look a part of me thinks the B1G is scrambling. They moved to 14 with a master plan for 16 that blew up over academics. Delany is scrambling

ucf primetimer‏@knightbengal2h
@theDudeofWV your mean non aau?

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
@knightbengal I mean if they had taken FSU, AAU or not, it would be over. They could have had their pick of the ACC after adding FSU.

 

[huskymedic]

Dude must still have a cache of 80's blotter acid stored somewhere...

 

[jostar1]

MH3‏@MH32h
@bturner12387 @tacunningham1 @tech_aj there is definitely an ACC school the B10 is talking too. And have been since before they added #12

MH3‏@MH32h
@tobywayne10 @bturner12387 @tacunningham1 @tech_aj nope not NC. Not even a school in NC.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 no comment on UVA and UConn?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 nein and nyet

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 lost on the non P5 school and Mizzou?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 Mizzou is one of the three. I'll give you that one.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 Missouri, Kansas and Vandy

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 wouldn't that make Mizzou the Bobby Petrino?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 yes

 

[whaler11]

Well obviously if the Big 10 accepted Florida State they could have taken another ACC team. He's talking about Georgia Tech.

 

[Fishy]

This is terrible news.

We're not even involved in the West Virginia fantasy realignment news.

I blame Warde.

 

[woomba]

I actually agree with what you wrote here - even I noted the waning brand power of Syracuse in NYC somewhere else on this board. I'm actually from NYC originally so I am quite familiar with the dynamics between privates and publics in NY and the NE area.

The only thing I will note is that much of this growth was fueled by the explosion in college applicants the past 2 decades - that growth isn't going to last forever and is expected to start winding down in 15 years. That makes the upcoming decade critical for UConn and other publics like UMass, the SUNYs, Rutgers, etc. in building enough brand equity so that once the record # of applicants go down they can compete for the best students ...and why, as you mentioned, schools like BC will feel threatened and will do what it can to prevent that from happening.

My impression of your agenda is that you don't want to place any value to the history conehead and others have presented about the Northeast's general favoring of private schools over the publics in the past. This was the opposite of what took place in other regions of the country particularly the midwest and California. But that trend is changing in a big way in Ct. That scares those privates in the northeast who are just one tier above UConn. Schools such as BC and Syracuse. They know that they are beginning to compete with UConn for the better students. Unlike folks in the Southeast and Midwest they are very aware of the rapid changes that have taken place both in academics and athletics in the last decade at UConn. It is this rapid rate of growth that frightens these institutions. It is only a matter of time that they will have a difficult time competing with UConn on many levels and they know it even as those in the Midwest and Southeast don't. That is why BC blocked UConn's admission. It is the president of that university and not the AD who understands the dynamics that is taking place in the northeast and is trying his best to sabotage things.