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[kyleslamb]

Houston, we have an insider problem.

I never thought the WV "insiders" were credible, but they just jumped the shark big time with that "info."

To put into context of how ridiculous that information really is, behold R&D expenditures for 2011-12 for some B1G candidates (source: NSF):

17. North Carolina ($767.5 m)
26. Georgia Tech ($655.4 m)
28. Texas ($632.2 m) -- excludes medical center
71. Kansas ($302.7 m)
72. Virginia ($292.1 m)
81. Connecticut ($253.8 m)
105. Oklahoma ($189.5 m)
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137. Houston ($113.7 m)

Now I will say this: Houston's president is supposed to be a pretty big heavy hitter in the academic world as far as pull, and in three years, Houston's research has grown over $40 million. Nonetheless, this is still an utterly ridiculous suggestion. Houston's football attendance last season was 10k per game less than Maryland and 20k less than Rutgers.

I think Houston is a nice, outside-the-box, long-term way of thinking, but it's way too big a gamble for a conference like the Big Ten. Just no way they are seriously considering Houston in anything less than a 20-24 team model.

 

[woomba]

I honestly think at this point all of the WV bloggers build up will be to point at Rice, Vandy and Miami :|

 

[Adios]

I look forward to the day this section of the message board gets burned down.

 

[GG]

MH3‏@MH32h
@bturner12387 @tacunningham1 @tech_aj there is definitely an ACC school the B10 is talking too. And have been since before they added #12

MH3‏@MH32h
@tobywayne10 @bturner12387 @tacunningham1 @tech_aj nope not NC. Not even a school in NC.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 no comment on UVA and UConn?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 nein and nyet

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 lost on the non P5 school and Mizzou?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 Mizzou is one of the three. I'll give you that one.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 Missouri, Kansas and Vandy

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 wouldn't that make Mizzou the Bobby Petrino?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 yes

Virginia Tech is in the south, but not deep south. Could the Big Ten be checking them out?

http://www.techsideline.com/forums/showthread.php?123828-VT-to-Big10&p=830329#post830329

 

[UConn Dan]

BTW I live in SC

Charleston area? Thinking of moving there soon. Just need a good job.

 

[upstater]

I actually agree with what you wrote here - even I noted the waning brand power of Syracuse in NYC somewhere else on this board. I'm actually from NYC originally so I am quite familiar with the dynamics between privates and publics in NY and the NE area.

The only thing I will note is that much of this growth was fueled by the explosion in college applicants the past 2 decades - that growth isn't going to last forever and is expected to start winding down in 15 years. That makes the upcoming decade critical for UConn and other publics like UMass, the SUNYs, Rutgers, etc. in building enough brand equity so that once the record # of applicants go down they can compete for the best students ...and why, as you mentioned, schools like BC will feel threatened and will do what it can to prevent that from happening.

The application explosion happened because of the common app and electronic applications.

But the demographic explosion is real and will increase, not decrease. The vast majority of universities, especially the privates are not adding seats, and the population is constantly increasing. The only way colleges can meet the demand is to expand seats, and they aren't doing it. In California, for instance, lots of kids are being rejected from community college.

 

[ctchamps]

Charleston area? Thinking of moving there soon. Just need a good job.

Beaufort County. Greenville is the best place in the state to get a decent job. Charleston imo has real good potential now that Boeing has decided to make SC Boeing East. Not sure of the specifics of the job market. I will say Charleston has a lot to offer for a small city. It get lots of recognition on the national level and even with that I don't think it has hit its potential.

 

[woomba]

The application explosion happened because of the common app and electronic applications.

But the demographic explosion is real and will increase, not decrease. The vast majority of universities, especially the privates are not adding seats, and the population is constantly increasing. The only way colleges can meet the demand is to expand seats, and they aren't doing it. In California, for instance, lots of kids are being rejected from community college.

Agreed that's also a factor, but there's also about 1M more HS grads anuually now than 20 years ago and that's expected to increase until 2030ish.

 

[upstater]

Agreed that's also a factor, but there's also about 1M more HS grads anuually now than 20 years ago and that's expected to increase until 2030ish.

I can't see how it will ever decrease though since our population continually increases, but seats at top colleges don't. Community colleges are trying to create extra space.

 

[woomba]

I can't see how it will ever decrease though since our population continually increases, but seats at top colleges don't. Community colleges are trying to create extra space.

Lower birth rates and aging population, I guessing. The numbers that I got is a from a report from the WICHE. Feel free to go through it: http://www.wiche.edu/pub/16556

 

[jostar1]

Virginia Tech is in the south, but not deep south. Could the Big Ten be checking them out?

http://www.techsideline.com/forums/showthread.php?123828-VT-to-Big10&p=830329#post830329[/quote]

From the Techsideline board:

VT to Big10

Just heard this from a big time Clemson booster. Not saying its true, but that is the buzz in SC. He said CU, FSU both will receive more $ in new ACC and VT is not happy. He said UCONN will replace us. Wasn't too upset about it. He also believes Vandy will be #16.​

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Don't shoot the messenger, likely not true but thought I'd pass it along​

 

[upstater]

Lower birth rates and aging population, I guessing. The numbers that I got is a from a report from the WICHE. Feel free to go through it: http://www.wiche.edu/pub/16556

Thanks, I see it now. The biggest factor is going to be university outreach for first-in-family college students. I'm at an AAU school and I know we've already identified a problem with low income city kids. We've found that some of the best students in that demographic, kids with high SAT scores, are undershooting their level in terms of college choices. So, if you look at all the graphics at your link, you'll see that even when the college population will continue to rise into the future (as is the case with New York), the % from non-white families is jumping exponentially. Which means the birth rate among whites is expected to decline precipitously. If schools in my state want to attract the best students, they must do much greater outreach to the inner cities where that population growth is going to happen.

 

[specialisthusky]

From the Techsideline board:

VT to Big10

Just heard this from a big time Clemson booster. Not saying its true, but that is the buzz in SC. He said CU, FSU both will receive more $ in new ACC and VT is not happy. He said UCONN will replace us. Wasn't too upset about it. He also believes Vandy will be #16.​

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Don't shoot the messenger, likely not true but thought I'd pass it along​

I'd follow him on twitter.

 

[WestHartHusk]

From the Techsideline board:

VT to Big10

Just heard this from a big time Clemson booster. Not saying its true, but that is the buzz in SC. He said CU, FSU both will receive more $ in new ACC and VT is not happy. He said UCONN will replace us. Wasn't too upset about it. He also believes Vandy will be #16.​

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Don't shoot the messenger, likely not true but thought I'd pass it along​

Wow, does that board make you appreciate this forum or what? What a pain to read through a discussion.

 

[TerryD]

I think everyone is overlooking the fact that Notre Dame is not Power 5 in football and that's what he was referring to being Petrino-like int hat they will never play a game in the ACC for their other sports. Just my guess though as to what that is trying to say since he also keeps saying that UCONN is ACC filler.

If that is what he is referring to, this is another example of him being out of his mind and throwing totally improbable crap against the wall.

ND sees joining the Big Ten as the absolute worst case scenario for it in conference realignment.

It will do almost anything to avoid such a fate.

It signed a GOR (except for hockey and football) for its 24 ACC sports and also agreed to the $50 million ACC buyout because its current status with the ACC affiliation/hockey in Hockey East and football indy is exactly where it wants to be.

Any scenario that has ND willingly joining the Big Ten is pure BS fantasy.

 

[IMind]

If ND were going to join the B1G they would have done it years ago. Why would they want to be just another Indiana school in the B1G?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I've always thought Virginia Tech was a dark horse candidate for the B1G.

Even though UVA is the flagship, VT is a big time football program that would command the Virginia market.

Vanderbilt though? No way in hell. I'd even wager we'd get into the B1G before them.

 

[UConn Dan]

Vanderbilt though? No way in hell. I'd even wager we'd get into the B1G before them.

I don't think the B1G would take Vandy, but they did do "research" on Vandy though -- from a credible reporter, Berry Tramel at The Oklahoman newspaper. Well, more credible than WV bloggers and twits.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Beaufort County. Greenville is the best place in the state to get a decent job. Charleston imo has real good potential now that Boeing has decided to make SC Boeing East. Not sure of the specifics of the job market. I will say Charleston has a lot to offer for a small city. It get lots of recognition on the national level and even with that I don't think it has hit its potential.

My parents live near Beaufort, which is a really nice town. Charleston is a great small city and so is Savannah. Plus Hilton Head has some things to offer as well. If the job markets allowed telecommuting to most jobs, Charleston would and should attract a lot of people.

 

[woomba]

I don't think the B1G would take Vandy, but they did do "research" on Vandy though -- from a credible reporter, Berry Tramel at The Oklahoman newspaper. Well, more credible than WV bloggers and twits.

Nashville ranks high in the list of cities that Big Ten alums flock to that's not currently in the footprint so I can sort of see the logic - obviously wouldn't be an athletics based add if it ever comes to fruition.

 

[ScottBonz]

Beaufort County. Greenville is the best place in the state to get a decent job. Charleston imo has real good potential now that Boeing has decided to make SC Boeing East. Not sure of the specifics of the job market. I will say Charleston has a lot to offer for a small city. It get lots of recognition on the national level and even with that I don't think it has hit its potential.

Visiting for 4 days in October. Staying in a BnB downtown. Girlfriend wants to move their one day.

 

[Husky92]

I've always thought Virginia Tech was a dark horse candidate for the B1G.

Even though UVA is the flagship, VT is a big time football program that would command the Virginia market.

I have a lot of family in VA. While UVA is the "flagship", Tech is a larger school and has more alumni throughout the state. I also believe their fans are more rabid (I have two family members who graduated V.Tech, one who is a seson ticket holder). They are the better football school IMHO, and not too shabby academically either.

 

[jostar1]

I think everyone is overlooking the fact that Notre Dame is not Power 5 in football and that's what he was referring to being Petrino-like int hat they will never play a game in the ACC for their other sports. Just my guess though as to what that is trying to say since he also keeps saying that UCONN is ACC filler.

Apparently he was referring to Missouri:

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 Mizzou is one of the three. I'll give you that one.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 Missouri, Kansas and Vandy

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 wouldn't that make Mizzou the Bobby Petrino?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 yes

 

[Fairfield 1st]

MH is lightin it up today. Too many tweets to copy, but essence is that they are talking Army to the AAC to fill UCONN's spot when we move to a P5... Hilarious!

 

[jostar1]

MH3‏@MH32h
Ok, so the idea is that this "merger" would make AAC or MWC DOA. AAC name and ncaa credits would be retained.

MH3‏@MH32h
The list I promised from the AAC/MWC teams that met last week:

MH3‏@MH32h
AAC: Uconn, ECU, USF, UCF, Temple, Memphis, Navy MWC: SDSU, UH, SMU, Fresno, UNLV, Air Force, and Colorado St.

MH3‏@MH32h
Oh yeah, Boise was there too. Didn't mean to leave you guys out! 15 schools.

MH3‏@MH32h
Yeah I flubbed my list. Lol. Those were the divisions proposed. Lol.

MH3‏@MH32h
With BSU in the West as well and an open slot in the east for Cincy if they stay. If they don't Tulane is in

MH3‏@MH32h
Also the idea was to leave enough room to add a MAC school or two maybe

MH3‏@MH32h
@Jeffery_Cobb UC is on deck for a B12 invite along with BYU if D4 requires CCg. Which it is looking to be true.

1. Ringneck85‏@Ringneck852h
2. @MH3 where does Cincy fit in all of this? B12?
4. MH3‏@MH32h

• @Ringneck85 that's the plan. This conference would be backup. They didn't attend meeting but were on the phone for some of it

1. 1. 
      MH3‏@MH32h
      The fact that Cincy didnt attend and Uconn did tells me a lot though.

1. MH3‏@MH32h
   Schools left out would get MWC credits and exit fee money which would be split by all merging schools.
3. MH3‏@MH32h
   Ok, so the idea is that this "merger" would make AAC or MWC DOA. AAC name and ncaa credits would be retained.

ucf primetimer‏@knightbengal2h
@MH3 @CoogsHouse13 would this be a sixth conference for d4? Better tv deal?

MH3‏@MH32h
@knightbengal @coogshouse13 yes and yes. I believe it could get a little closer to the tv payout the BigEast had per school.

2. MH3‏@MH32h
   There is a possibility that Uconn could get a P5 invite and another at those meetings as well.

MH3‏@MH32h
They like to add a NY school as well and may if Uconn becomes unavailable.

ucf primetimer‏@knightbengal2h
@MH3 so Ucf usf are not up for b12 in your opinion

MH3‏@MH32h
@knightbengal I wish they were but I detailed why they are not in a tweet last night.

JMF‏@GOZZER5132h
@MH3 in your opinion or based off what you've heard, what's the time frame that BIG12 makes the move to add?

MH3‏@MH32h
@GOZZER513 IF we add, it will be after P5 has decided on rules for D4 but probably before D4 is official.

 

[CL82]

People in the conference that are privy to such information.

I wouldn't think you'd regard that as a big secret though.

So no source...ah okay.

 

[jostar1]

Wow, does that board make you appreciate this forum or what? What a pain to read through a discussion.

Change the display to Linear Mode.

 

[kyleslamb]

So no source...ah okay.

There are others on this board that can vouch for my credentials if you are trying to make this into a credibility issue. I covered Ohio State for nearly seven years and have a lot of friends in the media and that work in athletics.

Here is what I posted on Oct. 5, 2011 on the Syracuse board about Rutgers and Maryland:

"Personally I'm not sure I believe the Missouri offer. For a variety of reasons, I've begun the belief the Big Ten will let Missouri go to the SEC and not necessarily because of a lack of interest. I just think they're committed to staying the course and they're fine with Rutgers and Maryland joining Notre Dame and Texas, if that's how it all shakes out."

http://syracusefan.com/threads/greg-swaim.3705/#post-34716

Keep in mind, the Big Ten was chasing Notre Dame and Texas at the time (which obviously didn't materialize). Point is, I had Rutgers and Maryland as a combination a year before it happened.

 

[FDNY99]

My parents live near Beaufort, which is a really nice town. Charleston is a great small city and so is Savannah. Plus Hilton Head has some things to offer as well. If the job markets allowed telecommuting to most jobs, Charleston would and should attract a lot of people.

That's cool...My wife and I will be moving (retiring I should say) to Horry County/Myrtle Beach area in about 8 or 9 years. Looking for a lot now...you can get a lot for your money in that part of SC.

 

[UConn Dan]

There are others on this board that can vouch for my credentials if you are trying to make this into a credibility issue. I covered Ohio State for nearly seven years and have a lot of friends in the media and that work in athletics.

Here is what I posted on Oct. 5, 2011 on the Syracuse board about Rutgers and Maryland:

"Personally I'm not sure I believe the Missouri offer. For a variety of reasons, I've begun the belief the Big Ten will let Missouri go to the SEC and not necessarily because of a lack of interest. I just think they're committed to staying the course and they're fine with Rutgers and Maryland joining Notre Dame and Texas, if that's how it all shakes out."

http://syracusefan.com/threads/greg-s .3705/#post-34716

Keep in mind, the Big Ten was chasing Notre Dame and Texas at the time (which obviously didn't materialize). Point is, I had Rutgers and Maryland as a combination a year before it happened.

I can vouch for Kyle -- he's legit. Like with FrankTheTank, I don't always agree with his opinions but he's got a real pulse as opposed to the sham WV crew.