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Let's consider for a moment the options here for the B1G if AAU is an absolute requirement. Who are two from this list for B1G expansion?
Non FBS schools: no
PAC 12 schools: no
ACC and Big 12 schools under GOR: B1G willing to challenge GOR?
SEC schools: willing to switch to B1G?
Non football or basketball brand schools: B1G willing to take?
AAU Member Institutions and Years of Admission
http://www.aau.edu/about/default.aspx?id=5476
Boston University (2012) NO , NOT FBS
Brandeis University (1985) NO , NOT FBS
Brown University (1933) NO , NOT FBS
California Institute of Technology (1934) NO , NOT FBS
Carnegie Mellon University (1982) NO , NOT FBS
Case Western Reserve University (1969) NO , NOT FBS
Columbia University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
Cornell University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
Duke University (1938) ACC
Emory University (1995) NO , NOT FBS
Georgia Institute of Technology (2010)ACC
Harvard University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
Indiana University (1909) B1G
Iowa State University (1958) BIG 12
The Johns Hopkins University (1900) NO , NOT FBS and B1G for affiliate in lacrosse only
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1934) NO , NOT FBS
McGill University (1926) NO , NOT FBS
Michigan State University (1964) B1G
New York University (1950) NO , NOT FBS
Northwestern University (1917) B1G
The Ohio State University (1916) B1G
The Pennsylvania State University (1958) B1G
Princeton University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
Purdue University (1958) B1G
Rice University (1985) NOT A FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL BRAND
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey (1989) B1G
Stanford University (1900) PAC 12
Stony Brook University-State University of New York (2001) NO , NOT FBS
Texas A&M University (2001) SEC
Tulane University (1958) NOT A FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL BRAND
The University of Arizona (1985) PAC 12
University at Buffalo, The State University of New York (1989) NOT A FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL BRAND
University of California, Berkeley (1900) PAC 12
University of California, Davis (1996) NO , NOT FBS
University of California, Irvine (1996) NO , NOT FBS
University of California, Los Angeles (1974) PAC 12
University of California, San Diego (1982) NO , NOT FBS
University of California, Santa Barbara (1995) NO , NOT FBS
The University of Chicago (1900) NO , NOT FBS and B1G for academics only
University of Colorado Boulder (1966) PAC 12
University of Florida (1985) SEC
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1908) B1G
The University of Iowa (1909) B1G
The University of Kansas (1909) BIG 12
University of Maryland, College Park (1969) B1G
University of Michigan (1900) B1G
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (1908) B1G
University of Missouri-Columbia (1908) SEC
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1922) ACC
University of Oregon (1969) PAC 12
University of Pennsylvania (1900) NO , NOT FBS
University of Pittsburgh (1974) ACC
University of Rochester (1941) NO , NOT FBS
University of Southern California (1969) PAC 12
The University of Texas at Austin (1929) BIG 12
University of Toronto (1926) NO , NOT FBS
University of Virginia (1904) ACC
University of Washington (1950) PAC 12
The University of Wisconsin-Madison (1900) B1G
Vanderbilt University (1950) SEC
Washington University in St. Louis (1923) NO , NOT FBS
Yale University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
 
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B1GALUM said:
Absolutely right. AAU and contiguous state are desirable factors but not an absolute requirement.

"There are no restrictions regarding expansion - potential additions are not required to be in the AAU, and they do not have to be in (or adjacent to) the eight Big Ten states," league spokesman Scott Chipman wrote in an e-mail. Removing the AAU and geographic limitations means the Big Ten can add any school from anywhere in the country.

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/525178.html?nav=742
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I wish this could get pinned to the top of the board.
 
It's somewhat disappointing UConn isn't AAU, lots of other schools it's at least equivalent or better than academically are.

B1GALUM said:
Let's consider for a moment the options here for the B1G if AAU is an absolute requirement. Who are two from this list for B1G expansion?
Non FBS schools: no
PAC 12 schools: no
ACC and Big 12 schools under GOR: B1G willing to challenge GOR?
SEC schools: willing to switch to B1G?
Non football or basketball brand schools: B1G willing to take?
AAU Member Institutions and Years of Admission
http://www.aau.edu/about/default.aspx?id=5476
Boston University (2012) NO , NOT FBS
Brandeis University (1985) NO , NOT FBS
Brown University (1933) NO , NOT FBS
California Institute of Technology (1934) NO , NOT FBS
Carnegie Mellon University (1982) NO , NOT FBS
Case Western Reserve University (1969) NO , NOT FBS
Columbia University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
Cornell University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
Duke University (1938) ACC
Emory University (1995) NO , NOT FBS
Georgia Institute of Technology (2010)ACC
Harvard University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
Indiana University (1909) B1G
Iowa State University (1958) BIG 12
The Johns Hopkins University (1900) NO , NOT FBS and B1G for affiliate in lacrosse only
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1934) NO , NOT FBS
McGill University (1926) NO , NOT FBS
Michigan State University (1964) B1G
New York University (1950) NO , NOT FBS
Northwestern University (1917) B1G
The Ohio State University (1916) B1G
The Pennsylvania State University (1958) B1G
Princeton University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
Purdue University (1958) B1G
Rice University (1985) NOT A FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL BRAND
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey (1989) B1G
Stanford University (1900) PAC 12
Stony Brook University-State University of New York (2001) NO , NOT FBS
Texas A&M University (2001) SEC
Tulane University (1958) NOT A FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL BRAND
The University of Arizona (1985) PAC 12
University at Buffalo, The State University of New York (1989) NOT A FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL BRAND
University of California, Berkeley (1900) PAC 12
University of California, Davis (1996) NO , NOT FBS
University of California, Irvine (1996) NO , NOT FBS
University of California, Los Angeles (1974) PAC 12
University of California, San Diego (1982) NO , NOT FBS
University of California, Santa Barbara (1995) NO , NOT FBS
The University of Chicago (1900) NO , NOT FBS and B1G for academics only
University of Colorado Boulder (1966) PAC 12
University of Florida (1985) SEC
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1908) B1G
The University of Iowa (1909) B1G
The University of Kansas (1909) BIG 12
University of Maryland, College Park (1969) B1G
University of Michigan (1900) B1G
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (1908) B1G
University of Missouri-Columbia (1908) SEC
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1922) ACC
University of Oregon (1969) PAC 12
University of Pennsylvania (1900) NO , NOT FBS
University of Pittsburgh (1974) ACC
University of Rochester (1941) NO , NOT FBS
University of Southern California (1969) PAC 12
The University of Texas at Austin (1929) BIG 12
University of Toronto (1926) NO , NOT FBS
University of Virginia (1904) ACC
University of Washington (1950) PAC 12
The University of Wisconsin-Madison (1900) B1G
Vanderbilt University (1950) SEC
Washington University in St. Louis (1923) NO , NOT FBS
Yale University (1900) NO , NOT FBS
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jostar1 said:
The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV18m
Clarification: B1G source says conf has only done due diligence on potential members who have AAU status. Will not consider those not AAU.
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This is known to be a false statement.
 
The Dude is full of it but one thing to remember in general is that the Conference Commissioner is not the final decision maker - the member school presidents are. It's the main reason why the Pac-16 didn't happen even though Larry Scott was still pushing for it after Texas dropped out.

Delany supposedly has a list of pre-approved schools (basically AAU schools+ND) - all others need to be vetted by the school presidents.
 
woomba said:
Delany supposedly has a list of pre-approved schools (basically AAU schools+ND) - all others need to be vetted by the school presidents.
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I have heard this as well.

It is difficult for me to see how UConn, although non AAU, would not at least be "vetted" by the B1G if the conference does indeed want to expand heading into the negotiations for new media rights.
This in particular if you consider the oft talked about AAU member universities that are candidates for B1G membership and their potential obstacles combined with UConn being a flagship state public research university in a region now of great interest to the B1G and a basketball brand with a demonstrated commitment to not only "pursue championships" but win them.

1. Vanderbilt. A southern school and a founding member of the SEC dating back to 1932. To the best of my knowledge no indication of dissatisfaction with the SEC or financial concerns a la Maryland and the ACC.

2. Missouri. I'll just quote Frank the Tank on this one.

frankthetank said:
Two things:
(1) The Big Ten has passed on Missouri over and over and over and over and over again. I can't tell you how many times the Big Ten rejected Mizzou even when that school was openly hiking up its skirt to get Jim Delany's attention. Regardless of Gee's personal opinion, the league simply doesn't want them. That's not my personal choice (as I think they're serviceable in a potential 16-school Big Ten), but their actions have continuously shown that they want nothing to do with Mizzou. UConn has a better chance of getting an ACC invite at this point than Mizzou getting an invite from the Big Ten.
(2) I'm as big of a Big Ten guy as anyone, but even I'm not enough of a homer to believe that anyone is going to leave the SEC. That league is as ironclad as the Big Ten itself and ESPN will be paying that league a mint with the new SEC Network. The Big Ten will probably still make more than the SEC in terms of media revenue at the end of the day, but it's nowhere near the advantage compared to the ACC and Big 12. From a contractual perspective, the SEC may end up with a grant of rights prior to the launch of the SEC Network, anyway.
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3. Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Virginia. All voted in favor of a raise in the exit fee and signed the ACC GOR. Not the actions of schools desiring to leave the ACC.

4. Texas with the Big 12 GOR and potential political pressure in regard to Texas Tech whom the B1G would not accept.

5. Kansas with the B1g 12 GOR and potential political pressure in regard to Kansas State whom the B1G would not accept.

AAU members Rice, Tulane and UB are certainly options but it is difficult for me to see the B1G taking interest in these universities given none are football or basketball brands.
 
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The only statement that worries me is the one where he says looking to add markets. Technically once they are in New York and the cable providers down there we are less attractive.
 
There's a lot of noise made about the upcoming media deals but I think the Big Ten's willing to wait another decade or two if it means pulling in a major Big 12/ACC school further down the line. If the upcoming deal is another 10 year deal like the current one it'll be up around 2027 , just a few years after both GoRs are up.

In the short term, UConn's best scenario is the emergence of a viable #16 (which currently doesn't exist) and Rutgers + Current Big Ten schools being reasonably successful in NYC but just fall just short of getting full coverage with major cable providers (like 80-90% to landing a deal with TWC & Comcast). Then the marginal benefit for UConn is very high and will likely be enough to get them in. If they aren't anywhere close to landing a deal then there is no guarantee that UConn will get them in so it's likely that they'd pass and bide their time.
 
If Big 12 expansion includes Cincy and Texas doesn't take off because of it... I just don't want to think about what that means to us. To many inter moving parts to get us out.
 
Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?
 
pj said:
Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?
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Current NCAA rules dictate a CCG may only be played for conferences 12+ that are divided into divisions that play round-robin within the division, so that break up won't work. Uneven divisions can theoretically work but will be hard to get buy in from all Big Ten members because this will mean that the Western members will be playing Michigan/OSU/Penn State even fewer times for at least a decade.

The reason why the 16-team pod system can work is because they can theoretically combine 2 pods to form a division for each season and play round robin, which still falls under the current rules.

I don't think it'll be trivial to get the official rule changed since you'll first need to prove why the division setup isn't sufficient to crown a conference champion - assuming 9 conf games a year the current system scales nicely to 20-member conferences - it's only once you get above that number that the system breaks down and I don't think any conference is seriously going up that high.

I guess if D4 becomes a reality and comes with new rules that changes this equation your scenario can work though.
 
pj said:
Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?
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Once a school declares intentions to leave, they stop receiving payouts from the conference.
 
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upstater said:
Once a school declares intentions to leave, they stop receiving payouts from the conference.
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The conference is still liable to make the payouts. It happens that payouts have been withheld pending resolution of lawsuits, but that doesn't mean the money isn't owed.

In any case, Kansas or others could keep their deal secret. They don't need to announce it for years. The deal with the B1G would presumably have some kind of termination option so it might not even happen.

It's hard to see on what basis money could be withheld. If it was, the conference would be in breach and the school would have colorable cause to leave immediately without penalty.
 
pj said:
The conference is still liable to make the payouts. It happens that payouts have been withheld pending resolution of lawsuits, but that doesn't mean the money isn't owed.

In any case, Kansas or others could keep their deal secret. They don't need to announce it for years. The deal with the B1G would presumably have some kind of termination option so it might not even happen.

It's hard to see on what basis money could be withheld. If it was, the conference would be in breach and the school would have colorable cause to leave immediately without penalty.
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In the BE, it was a conference bylaw. It said, once intentions to leave are declared, the conference pays out no more money.
 
pj said:
Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?
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Why go beyond 16 though at that point. It is either get everyone and hope Uconn is 18 or stop at 16. Not trying to throw water on anyones hopes and dreams (I pray that someday I will get on this site and see every thread for every sport scream we are leaving for the B1G. I live in Columbus Ohio and would love seeing Uconn here every year. But so much has to happen for B1G to happen and even though I know we are the best of what is left both academically and athletically, the ACC is ready to screw with us at a moments notice and if we don;t get B1G they are our only choice left to get out of the AAC mess we are in. It boggles the mind that a West Virginia school has a place to land only because of football and our school that excels in so much can't. Stepping away from the ledge right now.
 
Limbo Land said:
Why go beyond 16 though at that point. It is either get everyone and hope Uconn is 18 or stop at 16. Not trying to throw water on anyones hopes and dreams (I pray that someday I will get on this site and see every thread for every sport scream we are leaving for the B1G. I live in Columbus Ohio and would love seeing Uconn here every year. But so much has to happen for B1G to happen and even though I know we are the best of what is left both academically and athletically, the ACC is ready to screw with us at a moments notice and if we don;t get B1G they are our only choice left to get out of the AAC mess we are in. It boggles the mind that a West Virginia school has a place to land only because of football and our school that excels in so much can't. Stepping away from the ledge right now.
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Box up all your negativity and get back out on that ledge!
 
kyleslamb said:
Totally understandable. Wasn't really taking issue with it being posted as much showing as it's shaky info.

I know for certain the Big Ten has done research on Connecticut, Oklahoma and Florida State. And none of the three are AAU members. So right away, his comment "B1G source says conf has only done due diligence on potential members who have AAU status. Will not consider those not AAU" is mistaken.
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...and how do you know that 'for certain?'
 
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Limbo Land said:
Reality is that you fail to see reality. Putting faith in postings from a guy in WV is nuts.
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But don't worry I won't respond to these postings about what could happen anymore. Not worth the time and effort.
 
Limbo Land said:
But don't worry I won't respond to these postings about what could happen anymore. Not worth the time and effort.
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CL82 said:
...and how do you know that 'for certain?'
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I've never heard that claim associated with UConn.
And I would guess the FSU stuff is a remnant Dude-esque mythology.

Here's an actual article from an actual paper.
http://sports.omaha.com/2013/04/22/realignment-expansion-not-out-of-the-question/#.UfxcD22wVo8

As a sidenote, two sources have told The World-Herald that the Big Ten has done prior “homework” on Oklahoma, Kansas and Vanderbilt among other schools who might some day be expansion targets. The Big 12 grant-of-rights deal didn’t stop a look-see for OU and KU.
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pj said:
Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?
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I mentioned a similar scenario with Uconn to the ACC as the 15th football school and 16th all sports school. The problem is that the CCG requirements do not allow for 3 divisions or an uneven number of teams without a waiver. CCG requires 2 equal divisions of 6 or more teams.

17.9.1.2 (c) Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A conference championship game between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division.
 
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woomba said:
Current NCAA rules dictate a CCG may only be played for conferences 12+ that are divided into divisions that play round-robin within the division, so that break up won't work. Uneven divisions can theoretically work but will be hard to get buy in from all Big Ten members because this will mean that the Western members will be playing Michigan/OSU/Penn State even fewer times for at least a decade.

The reason why the 16-team pod system can work is because they can theoretically combine 2 pods to form a division for each season and play round robin, which still falls under the current rules.

I don't think it'll be trivial to get the official rule changed since you'll first need to prove why the division setup isn't sufficient to crown a conference champion - assuming 9 conf games a year the current system scales nicely to 20-member conferences - it's only once you get above that number that the system breaks down and I don't think any conference is seriously going up that high.

I guess if D4 becomes a reality and comes with new rules that changes this equation your scenario can work though.
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There is a provision for conferences to submit a waiver, but so far the NCAA has only granted one conference with a waiver for a CCG and that is because they could not add another school and had to play with uneven divisions.
 
UPitt said:
I mentioned a similar scenario with Uconn to the ACC as the 15th football school and 16th all sports school. The problem is that the CCG requirements do not allow for 3 divisions or an uneven number of teams without a waiver. CCG requires 2 equal divisions of 6 or more teams.

17.9.1.2 (c) Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A conference championship game between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division.
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I don't think there's a provision for equal divisions. SEC officials considered going with just 13 schools when they added Texas A&M (prior to adding Missouri). Of course there would have been headaches in scheduling and keeping balance, but since they went through the trouble of creating the models and deliberating it, I don't think there's a provision that requires equal divisions (when you have more than 12 teams).

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/sec_splitting_texas_ams_oppone.html
 
BTwelve said:
I've never heard that claim associated with UConn.
And I would guess the FSU stuff is a remnant Dude-esque mythology.

Here's an actual article from an actual paper.
http://sports.omaha.com/2013/04/22/realignment-expansion-not-out-of-the-question/#.UfxcD22wVo8
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There was an article from Ted Green___ a couple years ago in a Chicago paper saying that Rutgers and UConn had been vetted. This is absolutely no surprise given Delany's ties with IMG and the fact that IMG probably knows more about UConn's marketing power than that Chicago outfit the B1G employs.
 
upstater said:
There was an article from Ted Green___ a couple years ago in a Chicago paper saying that Rutgers and UConn had been vetted. This is absolutely no surprise given Delany's ties with IMG and the fact that IMG probably knows more about UConn's marketing power than that Chicago outfit the B1G employs.
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Vetted with a postive result?
 
Waquoit said:
Vetted with a postive result?
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There's an article/post out there saying how certain B10 types were shocked at finding out how well UConn graded out.

AAU
Recruiting grounds
Uncertainty over our NYC cable market impact. (If we are truly needed vs. RU only)
Football tradition/fan base
Does B10 expand at all

Those are the challenges: last one appears to have been answered. AAU and cable $ should work themselves out. That leaves FB issues as the great undecided.

Showing we can win post Edsall and strong attendance is all we can do.
 
The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV15h
Stuff is brewing. Reports are premature.

gs‏@gss200315h
“@theDudeofWV: Stuff is brewing. Reports are premature.” U said UConn being vetted by B1G, but not AAU?

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV15h
@gss2003 No risk when vetting.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV15h
@gss2003 Let me clarify something. Delany may have vetted approx 6 schools. The B1G members, according to sources, are set on AAU members.
 
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