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Actually, I have never expected anyone to leave the B1G. But, most people have speculated that no one from a GOR conference would poach another GOR conference on principle. So, if the B1G used an alternative method to protect inventory, then they could more easily look at conferences with GORs in place. But if the B1G was so confident that no one would leave, then why have a GOR and brag about it.

And say what you want about ND, they bring in an additional 2-3 million per school per year as a partial member, and games against ND are always fun to attend. Although this deal likely hurts Pitt because ND was on the Pitt schedule just about every year. But I understand if you would prefer not to play ND, as Rutgers has really struggled against ND losing in all four meetings by scores of 48-0, 62-0, 45-17, and 42-0.
ND refused to play RU on equal terms so unlike the ACC they refused to cave to "special concession U"!BTW when was the last time RU/ND played?I thought so!Stupid comparison as pre-Schiano you could make that claim about anyone...heck even Pitt and SU were "powers" then!!
 

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@theDudeofWV: Somebody needs to stand up to MLB (& USAID) and protect their rights. Drugs are only banned because of their negative effect on society.
 
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ND refused to play RU on equal terms so unlike the ACC they refused to cave to "special concession U"!BTW when was the last time RU/ND played?I thought so!Stupid comparison as pre-Schiano you could make that claim about anyone...heck even Pitt and SU were "powers" then!!

Notre Dame agreed to play Rutgers in a home and home six game series. If you consider Notre Dame requiring Rutgers to play the games in a new larger professional stadium to be an unequal request, then we will have to agree to disagree. Uconn was willing to work with Notre Dame to play games in Foxborough. Navy agrees to play Notre Dame in Philly, DC, and even Ireland. ASU has agreed to play ND in Dallas. Pitt always played Notre Dame and other big games (PSU, WVU, Miami) at professional off campus stadiums, Three River Stadium and Heinz Field. We loved playing these games in a professional stadium and the atmosphere was great. But Rutgers athletic department refused the offer. Be honest, would you honestly have been disappointed if the games against Notre Dame would have been played at the new Giants Stadium? I personally would have looked forward to those games.

As for which coaches coached against ND. Schiano coached against ND and lost 42-0. Shea coached against ND twice and lost 62-0 and 45-17.
 
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zzzzzz. Start a new thread please. I come here to have my fantasy life come together through the Dude (kind of like my thinking about my beautiful girlfriend of 20 years ago at work). If I feel like reading about the value of various programs, which does interest me, I would go to a thread about that school.

Alright. Here you go. Updates from the Dude of WV
August 5, 2013 http://www.sportsmancave.com/expansion-updated-part-1/
June 11, 2013 http://www.sportsmancave.com/expansion-update-just-when-you-thought-it-was-over/
 
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The one part I do agree with is that from a TV standpoint, i.e. money, the XII has Texas (Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio) and pieces of a pair of small cities in KC and OKC and that is it. PAC has the West Coast and the Rockies. The SEC now has a belt from Texas to Florida. The B1G has the entire Midwest (with ND stuck in the middle) and is encroaching on the DC/NYC/Boston megapolis. Hell, the ACC has the megapolis, plus the Carolinas and a foothold in Atlanta and Florida. On money alone, that makes the XII the most unstable out of the P5.
 
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Notre Dame agreed to play Rutgers in a home and home six game series. If you consider Notre Dame requiring Rutgers to play the games in a new larger professional stadium to be an unequal request, then we will have to agree to disagree. Uconn was willing to work with Notre Dame to play games in Foxborough. Navy agrees to play Notre Dame in Philly, DC, and even Ireland. ASU has agreed to play ND in Dallas. Pitt always played Notre Dame and other big games (PSU, WVU, Miami) at professional off campus stadiums, Three River Stadium and Heinz Field. We loved playing these games in a professional stadium and the atmosphere was great. But Rutgers athletic department refused the offer. Be honest, would you honestly have been disappointed if the games against Notre Dame would have been played at the new Giants Stadium? I personally would have looked forward to those games.

As for which coaches coached against ND. Schiano coached against ND and lost 42-0. Shea coached against ND twice and lost 62-0 and 45-17.
Like I said pre-Schiano....your not gonna expect Greg Schiano to beat ND in the year he took the job?What year was that Schiano/RU beatdown?Funny I don't remember him playing ND this century but I could be wrong but I do remember Frank Burns,"76",the Tennessee "whats a Rutgers game" and playing Alabama even in "81" only to lose late with 1aa talent!The "88" shocking of PSU is also fresh in my mind!We went down to Gainesville and tied Fla in the "80s too!Even tho overmatched!I also remember Craig "Ironhead" Heyward who my little brother played against in HS in the Belleville/Passaic game(which we won 3-2) trying to commit to RU HC "Dicky" Anderson and we wouldn't accept him so him and Nate went to Pitt!Thats an example of what we were up against back then!But Im sure you'll have selective memory syndrome and find a way to continue to denigrate even that!In those days Sherrill would accept 125 recruits at Pitt!RU was never a "factory" but just a good state school that played by the rules!And still held there heads up high win or lose..but fair!
 
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Notre Dame agreed to play Rutgers in a home and home six game series. If you consider Notre Dame requiring Rutgers to play the games in a new larger professional stadium to be an unequal request, then we will have to agree to disagree. Uconn was willing to work with Notre Dame to play games in Foxborough. Navy agrees to play Notre Dame in Philly, DC, and even Ireland. ASU has agreed to play ND in Dallas. Pitt always played Notre Dame and other big games (PSU, WVU, Miami) at professional off campus stadiums, Three River Stadium and Heinz Field. We loved playing these games in a professional stadium and the atmosphere was great. But Rutgers athletic department refused the offer. Be honest, would you honestly have been disappointed if the games against Notre Dame would have been played at the new Giants Stadium? I personally would have looked forward to those games.

As for which coaches coached against ND. Schiano coached against ND and lost 42-0. Shea coached against ND twice and lost 62-0 and 45-17.
I'm pretty sure UConn got a similar offer recently from ND and also refused to be taken advantage of?
 
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Notre Dame agreed to play Rutgers in a home and home six game series. If you consider Notre Dame requiring Rutgers to play the games in a new larger professional stadium to be an unequal request, then we will have to agree to disagree. Uconn was willing to work with Notre Dame to play games in Foxborough. Navy agrees to play Notre Dame in Philly, DC, and even Ireland. ASU has agreed to play ND in Dallas. Pitt always played Notre Dame and other big games (PSU, WVU, Miami) at professional off campus stadiums, Three River Stadium and Heinz Field. We loved playing these games in a professional stadium and the atmosphere was great. But Rutgers athletic department refused the offer. Be honest, would you honestly have been disappointed if the games against Notre Dame would have been played at the new Giants Stadium? I personally would have looked forward to those games.

As for which coaches coached against ND. Schiano coached against ND and lost 42-0. Shea coached against ND twice and lost 62-0 and 45-17.
Whats Navy "who ND owes bigtime" or ASU have to do with any of this?Your an arrogant fella!Are you here gloating?Or just PO'd Pitt will never get into the B1G?
 
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Whats Navy "who ND owes bigtime" or ASU have to do with any of this?Your an arrogant fella!Are you here gloating?Or just PO'd Pitt will never get into the B1G?

Navy, ASU, and Pitt are just examples of teams that have agreed to play Notre Dame at sites that are not on there campus. Pitt may not be a good example because it had always played its big football games at Three River Stadium and now plays all games at Heinz Field. Gloating? No. Just saying that Rutgers was not singled out when it was requested that the games be played in a larger stadium. PO'd about Pitt in the B1G? No, a little disappointed Pitt is not in a conference with PSU and I would have loved the B1G 10 years ago. But Pitt no longer fits in as well with most of those larger schools. I like the move to the ACC because much of the old Big East made the move as well.

You still didn't answer my question. Would you honestly have been opposed to watching Rutgers play Notre Dame at Giants Stadium? I would think that the atmosphere for that game at Giants Stadium would have been great.

EDIT: You can add Syracuse, Miami, and Army to this list of teams that play Notre Dame at off campus locations.
 
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I'm pretty sure UConn got a similar offer recently from ND and also refused to be taken advantage of?

Not sure how the Uconn talks broke down. But asking Rutgers to play at Giants Stadium (25 miles) is not the same as asking Uconn to play at Giants Stadium (150 miles) or Boston (80 miles).
 
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Like I said pre-Schiano....your not gonna expect Greg Schiano to beat ND in the year he took the job?What year was that Schiano/RU beatdown?Funny I don't remember him playing ND this century but I could be wrong but I do remember Frank Burns,"76",the Tennessee "whats a Rutgers game" and playing Alabama even in "81" only to lose late with 1aa talent!The "88" shocking of PSU is also fresh in my mind!We went down to Gainesville and tied Fla in the "80s too!Even tho overmatched!I also remember Craig "Ironhead" Heyward who my little brother played against in HS in the Belleville/Passaic game(which we won 3-2) trying to commit to RU HC "Dicky" Anderson and we wouldn't accept him so him and Nate went to Pitt!Thats an example of what we were up against back then!But Im sure you'll have selective memory syndrome and find a way to continue to denigrate even that!In those days Sherrill would accept 125 recruits at Pitt!RU was never a "factory" but just a good state school that played by the rules!And still held there heads up high win or lose..but fair!

Rutgers played ND in 1996, 2000, and 2002. Schiano was hired in the fall of 2000.
 
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Rutgers played ND in 1996, 2000, and 2002. Schiano was hired in the fall of 2000.
Pitt,I appreciate the fact (unlike me) you answered unemotionally and rationally and unlike BC/SU UPitt is held in high regard in NJ lately winning over ex Penn St fans! Although most didn't like Beano Cook for thinking Pitt would win every game lol!!I like the bluecollar D they're famous for going back to Ricky Jackson and Hugh Green!!Did Doug Plank go to Pitt?I know you guys had a great NJ safety who also made his bones at Pitt!You have a good grasp and memory(or research)of eastern football!I hope I wasn't too rude?In answer to your question sure I'd have enjoyed a shot at knocking off ND but not at all costs....I'll trust the RUAD to make the arrangements but I don't think ND and RU get along?
 
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Hello Huskies and assorted folk, bringing a Big 12 perspective here.

"Dude" is so full of garbage, it's hard to know where to begin. Sorry for the length.

First, the premise that "insider" knowledge about the Big 12 would come from Morgantown is hilarious. The newest kids on the block somehow have the 'goods', in the most power-centralized conference of all.

Meanwhile nobody in Austin or Norman ever says anything. Well, with the exception of 'Tuxedo Yoda', and the intelligent Longhorns have disassociated themselves from his drivel. There is also Swaim, who is absolutely full of it as well, but he's an Oklahoma State guy. You literally never hear anything from Norman and Lawrence and if you toss out Tuxedo Yoda, you don't hear anything from any of the true powers.

If there is ONE program that wants the Big 12 to survive it is Texas. What more evidence can one want? They chased everyone away and had Oklahoma not made an ill fated union to their cousins from Stillwater, they would be gone too. Otherwise, without Colorado's then-ability to appeal to the NorCal academic snobs (w/r/t Okie State) Oklahoma would have teamed up with Kansas and they would have been in the PAC. So KU would be gone too. This would have been the legacy of Deloss Dodds. Literally blowing up the Big 12.

So if you haven't read his latest garbage, I am going to 'review it' here. Quoting the 'Dude' - "there are no easy answers". No kidding? That's because your latest wank is just as convoluted as all you previous wank, Mr. Dude. Even his 'colleague' in Twitter Hillbillyism - MHVer - said recently that Rice would be in the B1G before Texas ever would. I wouldn't entirely agree but it's not that far off the mark, actually.

If the Big 12 is forced to expand and add a conference championship game, which I admit is a possibility, then you know what would happen? They would expand back to 12. Simple as that. If BYU were a viable fit for the Big 12, they would have already been in. The Big 12 and BYU have 'danced' more than twice and it never amounts to anything because (among several reasons) BYU likes its independence.

And D4 will very simply welcome Independents, watch and see, Huskies. You guys are gonna be fine regardless. If the Big 12 is forced to expand it will add Cincinnati, that much I can agree with. The 12th team (apart from BYU which can't play nice with anyone) would likely be USF to get FOX into Florida on a major level. In other words, apart from other practical reasons for Big 12 members (exposure into FL) it will be the only property the Big 12 conference can get money for at that spot.

He then comments on the reduction of payout, as adding ZERO dollars to the Big 12 contract while INCLUDING BYU. This is utter nonsense. First of all, they are ADDING a conference championship game. They will be paid to broadcast that game. There's money right there. Second of all, they could be pushed into adding USF (see above) by FOX giving them money for USF and nobody else. Maybe not much, but it would be better than nothing. And lastly and most obviously BYU has a contract with ESPN as we speak. They would roll that over into the Big 12 deal, thus making up for some of the lost revenue.

So right there is a clear case of Dude being absolutely clueless. Next - he says that Texas and Oklahoma are "against" expansion, essentially. And the EXACT OPPOSITE is true. See: OU's Castiglione trying to get Louisville added as #11. Expansion is essentially 5-5 right now in the Big 12. Texas (and thus TTU), Oklahoma (and thus OSU). and WVU against the other five that don't want to cut into their TV share$.

This guy knows nothing of which he speaks. And when he's not blindly guessing - he's piggybacking other sources and making an incredulous stew of garbage just to keep people clicking on his BS. You'll note he moved his old blog to a place where he can start making ad revenue.

All that said, it is possible - based on Dennis Dodd's rumor - taken in conjunction with the Omaha paper that listed Oklahoma and Kansas as having been researched by the B1G - that perhaps there is something to the flexibility of the Big 12 GOR. And if Oklahoma believes they can get into the B1G, then they will leave. I promise you they would. Their series with Texas will always exist, they've only been in the same conference for 17 years and have played each other for 100. Besides that, Texas has already chased all their other rivals away. The UT fanbase would riot if they refused to schedule that OU game.

And sure, all this would mean the Big 12 GOR is actually weak, so Kansas is probably going as well. Texas, because of the LHN, and because of ESPN's unwillingness to allow FOX (BTN) to pluck Texas away, certainly wouldn't cancel the LHN. It would only reinforce that position. Texas keeps the LHN, schedules who it wants and goes Independent. Finally on their self-made island. It's that simple.

But then you get into the pesky conversation about how that GOR could be breached. I am no lawyer so I will leave it alone. Anyhow, I just thought maybe you guys needed a Big 12 perspective. I come in peace, Huskies and hope that you guys appreciate the different perspective. But mostly, in this instance, I just wanted to tell you guys to not pin your UConn hopes and dreams to the words of 'Dude'. You guys will be fine regardless because D4 will allow Independents.

And if the Big 12 GOR is flimsy, so is the ACC's GOR. It's the same thing. And so expect all hell to break loose all over again. If that's the case, then this D4 idea might just be something entirely different.
 
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of course all the UT talk by the B1G could just be misdirection to land 2 schools from the SEC.

The Dude of WV@theDudeofWV33m
@JeremyAnthony @Iamgrizzly1974 I would guess Mizzou and Vandy. Both fit the profile. If the B1G turned down FSU it was because of AAU status
 
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And the have-nots threaten legal action! The game is afoot

MH3@MH318h
So what if we all signed a contract to play a playoff? You guys can still have a go at it. We're not taking it from you

MH3@MH318h
You know if we split, the BigEast is coming with us for bball. Who's going to watch your tourney then?

MH3@MH34h
How elite does Delaney believe a separate entity from NCAA must be? Could be trouble brewing.

MH3@MH34h
If the Power5 split from the NCAA might it be in two separate leagues?? Each that crowns it's own champion?
 
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If I say every possible scenario for conference realignment then one must be right.

Nough said.
 
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Hope for a true D4 is fading fast. Lawyers and congressmen lined up to challenge and beg.

MH3@MH36h
But staying the course does not appear to be an option either. Winning Emmert doesn't win over the entire NCAA.
 

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Hello Huskies and assorted folk, bringing a Big 12 perspective here....

And D4 will very simply welcome Independents, watch and see, Huskies. You guys are gonna be fine regardless. If the Big 12 is forced to expand it will add Cincinnati, that much I can agree with. The 12th team (apart from BYU which can't play nice with anyone) would likely be USF to get FOX into Florida on a major level. In other words, apart from other practical reasons for Big 12 members (exposure into FL) it will be the only property the Big 12 conference can get money for at that spot...

All that said, it is possible - based on Dennis Dodd's rumor - taken in conjunction with the Omaha paper that listed Oklahoma and Kansas as having been researched by the B1G - that perhaps there is something to the flexibility of the Big 12 GOR. And if Oklahoma believes they can get into the B1G, then they will leave. I promise you they would. Their series with Texas will always exist, they've only been in the same conference for 17 years and have played each other for 100. Besides that, Texas has already chased all their other rivals away. The UT fanbase would riot if they refused to schedule that OU game.

And sure, all this would mean the Big 12 GOR is actually weak, so Kansas is probably going as well. Texas, because of the LHN, and because of ESPN's unwillingness to allow FOX (BTN) to pluck Texas away, certainly wouldn't cancel the LHN. It would only reinforce that position. Texas keeps the LHN, schedules who it wants and goes Independent. Finally on their self-made island. It's that simple.

Great post BTwelve. It looks to me like football independence will be the endpoint for UConn as well, once the exit fee windfall expires in the AAC. It will be good for us if there are more powerful independents like Texas, to support scheduling and playoff access. If indeed the D4 is independent friendly and promotes scheduling within the D4, that would greatly ease UConn's scheduling issues which are the main obstacle now to independence. We would get quite a bit more money as an independent than in the AAC, if only we could schedule power schools. If they can no longer schedule lower level FBS schools, and there are many independents to fill in the October-November part of the schedule, then it's doable.
 

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Even the nothing is going to happen scenario. All bases covered.
I think you forgot the nothing and the everything scenario and those happening independently and simultaneously.
 
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[quottheudslipcon, post: 657403, member: 37"]I think you forgot the nothing and the everything scenario and those happening independently and simultaneously.[/quote]

And those happening in a vacuum and not in a vacuum.
 

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[quottheudslipcon, post: 657403, member: 37"]I think you forgot the nothing and the everything scenario and those happening independently and simultaneously.

And those happening in a vacuum and not in a vacuum.[/quote]
Scary but i almost wrote that.
 
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It's like the weatherman predicting a 50% chance of rain. How can that muthefuvger ever be wrong?
 
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UCF & USF fans have to love what the OU AD said on national radio today.
 

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