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[woomba]

Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?

Current NCAA rules dictate a CCG may only be played for conferences 12+ that are divided into divisions that play round-robin within the division, so that break up won't work. Uneven divisions can theoretically work but will be hard to get buy in from all Big Ten members because this will mean that the Western members will be playing Michigan/OSU/Penn State even fewer times for at least a decade.

The reason why the 16-team pod system can work is because they can theoretically combine 2 pods to form a division for each season and play round robin, which still falls under the current rules.

I don't think it'll be trivial to get the official rule changed since you'll first need to prove why the division setup isn't sufficient to crown a conference champion - assuming 9 conf games a year the current system scales nicely to 20-member conferences - it's only once you get above that number that the system breaks down and I don't think any conference is seriously going up that high.

I guess if D4 becomes a reality and comes with new rules that changes this equation your scenario can work though.

 

[upstater]

Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?

Once a school declares intentions to leave, they stop receiving payouts from the conference.

 

[upstater]

Cincy, by the way, is not outspending UConn. That guy is nuts.

 

[pj]

Once a school declares intentions to leave, they stop receiving payouts from the conference.

The conference is still liable to make the payouts. It happens that payouts have been withheld pending resolution of lawsuits, but that doesn't mean the money isn't owed.

In any case, Kansas or others could keep their deal secret. They don't need to announce it for years. The deal with the B1G would presumably have some kind of termination option so it might not even happen.

It's hard to see on what basis money could be withheld. If it was, the conference would be in breach and the school would have colorable cause to leave immediately without penalty.

 

[upstater]

The conference is still liable to make the payouts. It happens that payouts have been withheld pending resolution of lawsuits, but that doesn't mean the money isn't owed.

In any case, Kansas or others could keep their deal secret. They don't need to announce it for years. The deal with the B1G would presumably have some kind of termination option so it might not even happen.

It's hard to see on what basis money could be withheld. If it was, the conference would be in breach and the school would have colorable cause to leave immediately without penalty.

In the BE, it was a conference bylaw. It said, once intentions to leave are declared, the conference pays out no more money.

 

[Limbo Land]

Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?

Why go beyond 16 though at that point. It is either get everyone and hope Uconn is 18 or stop at 16. Not trying to throw water on anyones hopes and dreams (I pray that someday I will get on this site and see every thread for every sport scream we are leaving for the B1G. I live in Columbus Ohio and would love seeing Uconn here every year. But so much has to happen for B1G to happen and even though I know we are the best of what is left both academically and athletically, the ACC is ready to screw with us at a moments notice and if we don;t get B1G they are our only choice left to get out of the AAC mess we are in. It boggles the mind that a West Virginia school has a place to land only because of football and our school that excels in so much can't. Stepping away from the ledge right now.

 

[formerlurker]

Why go beyond 16 though at that point. It is either get everyone and hope Uconn is 18 or stop at 16. Not trying to throw water on anyones hopes and dreams (I pray that someday I will get on this site and see every thread for every sport scream we are leaving for the B1G. I live in Columbus Ohio and would love seeing Uconn here every year. But so much has to happen for B1G to happen and even though I know we are the best of what is left both academically and athletically, the ACC is ready to screw with us at a moments notice and if we don;t get B1G they are our only choice left to get out of the AAC mess we are in. It boggles the mind that a West Virginia school has a place to land only because of football and our school that excels in so much can't. Stepping away from the ledge right now.

Box up all your negativity and get back out on that ledge!

 

[CL82]

Totally understandable. Wasn't really taking issue with it being posted as much showing as it's shaky info.

I know for certain the Big Ten has done research on Connecticut, Oklahoma and Florida State. And none of the three are AAU members. So right away, his comment "B1G source says conf has only done due diligence on potential members who have AAU status. Will not consider those not AAU" is mistaken.

...and how do you know that 'for certain?'

 

[Limbo Land]

Box up all your negativity and get back out on that ledge!

Reality is that you fail to see reality. Putting faith in postings from a guy in WV is nuts.

 

[Limbo Land]

Reality is that you fail to see reality. Putting faith in postings from a guy in WV is nuts.

But don't worry I won't respond to these postings about what could happen anymore. Not worth the time and effort.

 

[CL82]

But don't worry I won't respond to these postings about what could happen anymore. Not worth the time and effort.

 

[formerlurker]

Reality is that you fail to see reality. Putting faith in postings from a guy in WV is nuts.

But don't worry I won't respond to these postings about what could happen anymore. Not worth the time and effort.

Did you just reply, to your own reply?!

You can't triple stamp a double stamp!

 

[BTwelve]

...and how do you know that 'for certain?'

I've never heard that claim associated with UConn.
And I would guess the FSU stuff is a remnant Dude-esque mythology.

Here's an actual article from an actual paper.
http://sports.omaha.com/2013/04/22/realignment-expansion-not-out-of-the-question/#.UfxcD22wVo8

As a sidenote, two sources have told The World-Herald that the Big Ten has done prior “homework” on Oklahoma, Kansas and Vanderbilt among other schools who might some day be expansion targets. The Big 12 grant-of-rights deal didn’t stop a look-see for OU and KU.

 

[UPitt]

Just brainstorming here ... but what if a school like Kansas agreed in 2014 to join the B1G when its GoR expired in 2025. Would the B1G take UConn in 2015 and play at 15 for ten years waiting for Kansas to join? Supposing UConn adds enough value in the northeast to improve the TV contracts. What if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas agreed? That would be too good to pass up.

Football scheduling with 15 teams may work out about as well as 14. 3 pods of 5 teams, 4 games in pod and 5 rotating games among the other ten pod members means every two years you play the whole league and every four years do home and home. You just have to choose a method to pick the conference championship game participants -- two highest ranked pod champions?

I mentioned a similar scenario with Uconn to the ACC as the 15th football school and 16th all sports school. The problem is that the CCG requirements do not allow for 3 divisions or an uneven number of teams without a waiver. CCG requires 2 equal divisions of 6 or more teams.

17.9.1.2 (c) Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A conference championship game between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division.

 

[UPitt]

Current NCAA rules dictate a CCG may only be played for conferences 12+ that are divided into divisions that play round-robin within the division, so that break up won't work. Uneven divisions can theoretically work but will be hard to get buy in from all Big Ten members because this will mean that the Western members will be playing Michigan/OSU/Penn State even fewer times for at least a decade.

The reason why the 16-team pod system can work is because they can theoretically combine 2 pods to form a division for each season and play round robin, which still falls under the current rules.

I don't think it'll be trivial to get the official rule changed since you'll first need to prove why the division setup isn't sufficient to crown a conference champion - assuming 9 conf games a year the current system scales nicely to 20-member conferences - it's only once you get above that number that the system breaks down and I don't think any conference is seriously going up that high.

I guess if D4 becomes a reality and comes with new rules that changes this equation your scenario can work though.

There is a provision for conferences to submit a waiver, but so far the NCAA has only granted one conference with a waiver for a CCG and that is because they could not add another school and had to play with uneven divisions.

 

[UConn Dan]

I mentioned a similar scenario with Uconn to the ACC as the 15th football school and 16th all sports school. The problem is that the CCG requirements do not allow for 3 divisions or an uneven number of teams without a waiver. CCG requires 2 equal divisions of 6 or more teams.

17.9.1.2 (c) Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A conference championship game between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division.

I don't think there's a provision for equal divisions. SEC officials considered going with just 13 schools when they added Texas A&M (prior to adding Missouri). Of course there would have been headaches in scheduling and keeping balance, but since they went through the trouble of creating the models and deliberating it, I don't think there's a provision that requires equal divisions (when you have more than 12 teams).

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/sec_splitting_texas_ams_oppone.html

 

[upstater]

I've never heard that claim associated with UConn.
And I would guess the FSU stuff is a remnant Dude-esque mythology.

Here's an actual article from an actual paper.
http://sports.omaha.com/2013/04/22/realignment-expansion-not-out-of-the-question/#.UfxcD22wVo8

There was an article from Ted Green___ a couple years ago in a Chicago paper saying that Rutgers and UConn had been vetted. This is absolutely no surprise given Delany's ties with IMG and the fact that IMG probably knows more about UConn's marketing power than that Chicago outfit the B1G employs.

 

[Waquoit]

There was an article from Ted Green___ a couple years ago in a Chicago paper saying that Rutgers and UConn had been vetted. This is absolutely no surprise given Delany's ties with IMG and the fact that IMG probably knows more about UConn's marketing power than that Chicago outfit the B1G employs.

Vetted with a postive result?

 

[SubbaBub]

Vetted with a postive result?

There's an article/post out there saying how certain B10 types were shocked at finding out how well UConn graded out.

AAU
Recruiting grounds
Uncertainty over our NYC cable market impact. (If we are truly needed vs. RU only)
Football tradition/fan base
Does B10 expand at all

Those are the challenges: last one appears to have been answered. AAU and cable $ should work themselves out. That leaves FB issues as the great undecided.

Showing we can win post Edsall and strong attendance is all we can do.

 

[jostar1]

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV15h
Stuff is brewing. Reports are premature.

gs‏@gss200315h
“@theDudeofWV: Stuff is brewing. Reports are premature.” U said UConn being vetted by B1G, but not AAU?

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV15h
@gss2003 No risk when vetting.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV15h
@gss2003 Let me clarify something. Delany may have vetted approx 6 schools. The B1G members, according to sources, are set on AAU members.

 

[upstater]

Vetted with a postive result?

Nothing was said. What would a positive result mean anyway? UConn is UConn. We know what it is. It's not Michigan, it's Indiana.

 

[Hoophound]

I think there are B10 presidents that can help fast track UConn to AAU membership if they want to.

 

[upstater]

I think there are B10 presidents that can help fast track UConn to AAU membership if they want to.

I said this last week. Michigan and Wisconsin head the committee on membership. If Delany is wondering about UConn's status, he places one call.

 

[woomba]

Checking the status isn't the same thing about fast tracking though - the Big Ten might control a pretty big voting bloc (~14-15 depending on how you view JHU) but you still need 2/3rds majority for a school to be admitted, so another 26 votes have to come elsewhere.

 

[jostar1]

I said this last week. Michigan and Wisconsin head the committee on membership. If Delany is wondering about UConn's status, he places one call.

Plus Herbst's contacts here:

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