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[progrocks]

Houston is a commuter school. A few good departments, but not in any way near B1G quality. There is no way this happens.

That said, They are no worse than 4th best college brand in the state. TCU, Baylor, and SMU only matter if you went there.

The Rice stadium once hosted the Super Bowl, but would need MASSIVE upgrades to be at the level necessary now. Plus, the school would have no desire to compete at that level. They would make NW look like world beaters in comparison.

 

[CTMike]

Someone is floating the UofH rumor to try and sniff out Texas info.

As for the 25 to 100 year view... what a load of crap. We'll be having these conversations every time a TV contract comes up. 0% chance that conferences stay static in next 25 years, never mind 100. UofH is a terrible pick today, and there's no wishing and hoping around that.

 

[GopherHawk]

Houston is a commuter school. A few good departments, but not in any way near B1G quality. There is no way this happens.

That said, They are no worse than 4th best college brand in the state. TCU, Baylor, and SMU only matter if you went there.

The Rice stadium once hosted the Super Bowl, but would need MASSIVE upgrades to be at the level necessary now. Plus, the school would have no desire to compete at that level. They would make NW look like world beaters in comparison.

I don't think Rice is the choice, but I would bet they would make the investment if invited. Their in CUSA. It's not like the aren't FBS

 

[B1GALUM]

Alright. Since MH3 and the Dude of WV have been at it in full force today, I have decided to start my own rumor ...

Step 1: The B1G invites Army and Navy: respected institutions, national audience, traditional Army -Navy rivalry game, Army - Rutgers rivalry, Navy - Maryland rivalry, NYC and Washington DC proximity, unique institutions so B1G not worried about AAU and graduate education.

Step 2: The B1G invites UConn: state flagship public research university, not AAU but enhancing faculty and research and endowment, basketball brand, NYC proximity.

Step 3: Delany ... "Hey Notre Dame, you sure about that whole ACC thing?" "Come on over to the B1G. We have traditional rivalries for you: Navy, Army, Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan. We have NYC proximity with Army, Rutgers, UConn. We have Washington DC proximity with Navy, Maryland. We have that whole Rose Bowl thing going with the PAC with your rivals USC and Stanford. You come along we may even be able to convince Texas to join and bring along a mate. We will be one B1G family"

Anyway back to reality ...

 

[ctchamps]

Looking at the overall GDP growth over the past 15 years between Conn and Indiana and they're about equal in % growth, with Indiana growing more in absolute $. I'm sorry this doesn't jive with your theory that the Midwest as a barren wasteland.

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I don't have an agenda! Just thought it strange you picked two years when I responded to you in the original post. However since you presented this new data it tells me Ct is far more productive per person than Indiana. Almost double. BTW I live in SC so Indiana is a wonderland by comparison. The better comparison for the Big Ten would be to take all the endowments of the various higher education institutions in Indiana vs. Ct. In fact I would recommend Indiana vs New England. Why? Because the region is culturally connected and there is a potential that it would align with a strong university that is a player on the national scene. And then you could begin to see the untapped potential that UConn brings.

My impression of your agenda is that you don't want to place any value to the history conehead and others have presented about the Northeast's general favoring of private schools over the publics in the past. This was the opposite of what took place in other regions of the country particularly the midwest and California. But that trend is changing in a big way in Ct. That scares those privates in the northeast who are just one tier above UConn. Schools such as BC and Syracuse. They know that they are beginning to compete with UConn for the better students. Unlike folks in the Southeast and Midwest they are very aware of the rapid changes that have taken place both in academics and athletics in the last decade at UConn. It is this rapid rate of growth that frightens these institutions. It is only a matter of time that they will have a difficult time competing with UConn on many levels and they know it even as those in the Midwest and Southeast don't. That is why BC blocked UConn's admission. It is the president of that university and not the AD who understands the dynamics that is taking place in the northeast and is trying his best to sabotage things.

 

[jostar1]

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
Just to answer a question. My info is coming straight from a B1G school who is against anyone non-AAU & confirmed by contact @ OSU.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
An ACC school is on the short list but I’m not mentioning them as to not jinx it. But talk is still just talk.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
@tech_aj But ill say this. It’s one of the schools in the ACC that had agreed to play WVU just not announced it yet.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV1h
@OldGoldnBlueB12 Not Pitt or PSU of course.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
@tech_aj Not talking about it but I have emailed the name if the school to people just to get it on record.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV3h
Look a part of me thinks the B1G is scrambling. They moved to 14 with a master plan for 16 that blew up over academics. Delany is scrambling

ucf primetimer‏@knightbengal2h
@theDudeofWV your mean non aau?

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV2h
@knightbengal I mean if they had taken FSU, AAU or not, it would be over. They could have had their pick of the ACC after adding FSU.

 

[huskymedic]

Dude must still have a cache of 80's blotter acid stored somewhere...

 

[jostar1]

MH3‏@MH32h
@bturner12387 @tacunningham1 @tech_aj there is definitely an ACC school the B10 is talking too. And have been since before they added #12

MH3‏@MH32h
@tobywayne10 @bturner12387 @tacunningham1 @tech_aj nope not NC. Not even a school in NC.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 no comment on UVA and UConn?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 nein and nyet

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 lost on the non P5 school and Mizzou?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 Mizzou is one of the three. I'll give you that one.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 Missouri, Kansas and Vandy

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 wouldn't that make Mizzou the Bobby Petrino?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 yes

 

[whaler11]

Well obviously if the Big 10 accepted Florida State they could have taken another ACC team. He's talking about Georgia Tech.

 

[Fishy]

This is terrible news.

We're not even involved in the West Virginia fantasy realignment news.

I blame Warde.

 

[woomba]

I actually agree with what you wrote here - even I noted the waning brand power of Syracuse in NYC somewhere else on this board. I'm actually from NYC originally so I am quite familiar with the dynamics between privates and publics in NY and the NE area.

The only thing I will note is that much of this growth was fueled by the explosion in college applicants the past 2 decades - that growth isn't going to last forever and is expected to start winding down in 15 years. That makes the upcoming decade critical for UConn and other publics like UMass, the SUNYs, Rutgers, etc. in building enough brand equity so that once the record # of applicants go down they can compete for the best students ...and why, as you mentioned, schools like BC will feel threatened and will do what it can to prevent that from happening.

My impression of your agenda is that you don't want to place any value to the history conehead and others have presented about the Northeast's general favoring of private schools over the publics in the past. This was the opposite of what took place in other regions of the country particularly the midwest and California. But that trend is changing in a big way in Ct. That scares those privates in the northeast who are just one tier above UConn. Schools such as BC and Syracuse. They know that they are beginning to compete with UConn for the better students. Unlike folks in the Southeast and Midwest they are very aware of the rapid changes that have taken place both in academics and athletics in the last decade at UConn. It is this rapid rate of growth that frightens these institutions. It is only a matter of time that they will have a difficult time competing with UConn on many levels and they know it even as those in the Midwest and Southeast don't. That is why BC blocked UConn's admission. It is the president of that university and not the AD who understands the dynamics that is taking place in the northeast and is trying his best to sabotage things.

 

[kyleslamb]

Houston, we have an insider problem.

I never thought the WV "insiders" were credible, but they just jumped the shark big time with that "info."

To put into context of how ridiculous that information really is, behold R&D expenditures for 2011-12 for some B1G candidates (source: NSF):

17. North Carolina ($767.5 m)
26. Georgia Tech ($655.4 m)
28. Texas ($632.2 m) -- excludes medical center
71. Kansas ($302.7 m)
72. Virginia ($292.1 m)
81. Connecticut ($253.8 m)
105. Oklahoma ($189.5 m)
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137. Houston ($113.7 m)

Now I will say this: Houston's president is supposed to be a pretty big heavy hitter in the academic world as far as pull, and in three years, Houston's research has grown over $40 million. Nonetheless, this is still an utterly ridiculous suggestion. Houston's football attendance last season was 10k per game less than Maryland and 20k less than Rutgers.

I think Houston is a nice, outside-the-box, long-term way of thinking, but it's way too big a gamble for a conference like the Big Ten. Just no way they are seriously considering Houston in anything less than a 20-24 team model.

 

[woomba]

I honestly think at this point all of the WV bloggers build up will be to point at Rice, Vandy and Miami :|

 

[Adios]

I look forward to the day this section of the message board gets burned down.

 

[GG]

MH3‏@MH32h
@bturner12387 @tacunningham1 @tech_aj there is definitely an ACC school the B10 is talking too. And have been since before they added #12

MH3‏@MH32h
@tobywayne10 @bturner12387 @tacunningham1 @tech_aj nope not NC. Not even a school in NC.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 no comment on UVA and UConn?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 nein and nyet

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 lost on the non P5 school and Mizzou?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 Mizzou is one of the three. I'll give you that one.

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 Missouri, Kansas and Vandy

Ringneck85‏@Ringneck851h
@MH3 wouldn't that make Mizzou the Bobby Petrino?

MH3‏@MH31h
@Ringneck85 yes

Virginia Tech is in the south, but not deep south. Could the Big Ten be checking them out?

http://www.techsideline.com/forums/showthread.php?123828-VT-to-Big10&p=830329#post830329

 

[UConn Dan]

BTW I live in SC

Charleston area? Thinking of moving there soon. Just need a good job.

 

[upstater]

I actually agree with what you wrote here - even I noted the waning brand power of Syracuse in NYC somewhere else on this board. I'm actually from NYC originally so I am quite familiar with the dynamics between privates and publics in NY and the NE area.

The only thing I will note is that much of this growth was fueled by the explosion in college applicants the past 2 decades - that growth isn't going to last forever and is expected to start winding down in 15 years. That makes the upcoming decade critical for UConn and other publics like UMass, the SUNYs, Rutgers, etc. in building enough brand equity so that once the record # of applicants go down they can compete for the best students ...and why, as you mentioned, schools like BC will feel threatened and will do what it can to prevent that from happening.

The application explosion happened because of the common app and electronic applications.

But the demographic explosion is real and will increase, not decrease. The vast majority of universities, especially the privates are not adding seats, and the population is constantly increasing. The only way colleges can meet the demand is to expand seats, and they aren't doing it. In California, for instance, lots of kids are being rejected from community college.

 

[ctchamps]

Charleston area? Thinking of moving there soon. Just need a good job.

Beaufort County. Greenville is the best place in the state to get a decent job. Charleston imo has real good potential now that Boeing has decided to make SC Boeing East. Not sure of the specifics of the job market. I will say Charleston has a lot to offer for a small city. It get lots of recognition on the national level and even with that I don't think it has hit its potential.

 

[woomba]

The application explosion happened because of the common app and electronic applications.

But the demographic explosion is real and will increase, not decrease. The vast majority of universities, especially the privates are not adding seats, and the population is constantly increasing. The only way colleges can meet the demand is to expand seats, and they aren't doing it. In California, for instance, lots of kids are being rejected from community college.

Agreed that's also a factor, but there's also about 1M more HS grads anuually now than 20 years ago and that's expected to increase until 2030ish.

 

[upstater]

Agreed that's also a factor, but there's also about 1M more HS grads anuually now than 20 years ago and that's expected to increase until 2030ish.

I can't see how it will ever decrease though since our population continually increases, but seats at top colleges don't. Community colleges are trying to create extra space.

 

[woomba]

I can't see how it will ever decrease though since our population continually increases, but seats at top colleges don't. Community colleges are trying to create extra space.

Lower birth rates and aging population, I guessing. The numbers that I got is a from a report from the WICHE. Feel free to go through it: http://www.wiche.edu/pub/16556

 

[jostar1]

Virginia Tech is in the south, but not deep south. Could the Big Ten be checking them out?

http://www.techsideline.com/forums/showthread.php?123828-VT-to-Big10&p=830329#post830329[/quote]

From the Techsideline board:

VT to Big10

Just heard this from a big time Clemson booster. Not saying its true, but that is the buzz in SC. He said CU, FSU both will receive more $ in new ACC and VT is not happy. He said UCONN will replace us. Wasn't too upset about it. He also believes Vandy will be #16.​

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Don't shoot the messenger, likely not true but thought I'd pass it along​

 

[upstater]

Lower birth rates and aging population, I guessing. The numbers that I got is a from a report from the WICHE. Feel free to go through it: http://www.wiche.edu/pub/16556

Thanks, I see it now. The biggest factor is going to be university outreach for first-in-family college students. I'm at an AAU school and I know we've already identified a problem with low income city kids. We've found that some of the best students in that demographic, kids with high SAT scores, are undershooting their level in terms of college choices. So, if you look at all the graphics at your link, you'll see that even when the college population will continue to rise into the future (as is the case with New York), the % from non-white families is jumping exponentially. Which means the birth rate among whites is expected to decline precipitously. If schools in my state want to attract the best students, they must do much greater outreach to the inner cities where that population growth is going to happen.

 

[specialisthusky]

From the Techsideline board:

VT to Big10

Just heard this from a big time Clemson booster. Not saying its true, but that is the buzz in SC. He said CU, FSU both will receive more $ in new ACC and VT is not happy. He said UCONN will replace us. Wasn't too upset about it. He also believes Vandy will be #16.​

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Don't shoot the messenger, likely not true but thought I'd pass it along​

I'd follow him on twitter.

 

[WestHartHusk]

From the Techsideline board:

VT to Big10

Just heard this from a big time Clemson booster. Not saying its true, but that is the buzz in SC. He said CU, FSU both will receive more $ in new ACC and VT is not happy. He said UCONN will replace us. Wasn't too upset about it. He also believes Vandy will be #16.​

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Don't shoot the messenger, likely not true but thought I'd pass it along​

Wow, does that board make you appreciate this forum or what? What a pain to read through a discussion.