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Waquoit said:
"They drag you into the gutter, then try to win with experience"
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John said:
If the Big East had gotten Penn State who's to say we wouldn't have been the poacher instead of the poachee. As Tranghese told Gavitt, the Big East would rue the day they didn't admit Penn State.
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Right at that moment the football schools should have broken away. Had that happened they would have been the poachERS. But who knew what was coming?
 
John said:
Yes.
Truth be told, a Penn State Big East would have been the hunter, not the prey.
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The PAC 12 didn’t even make it. You think a a top heavy Big East with one more big school like Penn State would be the hunter with a non proactive schmuck like Tranghese was going to be the hunter? Sure ok.
 
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ZooCougar said:
The PAC 12 didn’t even make it. You think a a top heavy Big East with one more big school like Penn State would be the hunter with a non proactive schmuck like Tranghese was going to be the hunter? Sure ok.
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You probably don't recall how vastly different the football landscape was during the Gavitt Big East era.
 
ZooCougar said:
The PAC 12 didn’t even make it. You think a a top heavy Big East with one more big school like Penn State would be the hunter with a non proactive schmuck like Tranghese was going to be the hunter? Sure ok.
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Additionally you fail to realize that quote comes from the era of Dave Gavitt being the Big East commissioner. Tranghese was an assistant.
 
John said:
You probably don't recall how vastly different the football landscape was during the Gavitt Big East era.
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I love your little journey through alternative history but sorry. Your argument holds no water.

Big East was always a parts shop.
 
ZooCougar said:
The PAC 12 didn’t even make it. You think a a top heavy Big East with one more big school like Penn State would be the hunter with a non proactive schmuck like Tranghese was going to be the hunter? Sure ok.
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No football school is gonna stay in a conference of basketball only schools. That is true of UConn too medium and long term.
 
ZooCougar said:
I love your little journey through alternative history but sorry. Your argument holds no water.

Big East was always a parts shop.
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It's all relative. The Big East most certainly could have been a poacher. For a while longer anyway. At the end of the day there are 2 conference destinations. Everyone else is a stepping stone.
 
Kolumbo said:
It's all relative. The Big East most certainly could have been a poacher. For a while longer anyway. At the end of the day there are 2 conference destinations. Everyone else is a stepping stone.
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Tranghese never had the proactive vision to do that.

You guys might as well be wondering what would happen if Lincoln wasn’t shot.
 
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ZooCougar said:
Tranghese never had the proactive vision to do that.

You guys might as well be wondering what would happen if Lincoln wasn’t shot.
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what about Gavitt? The Penn State thing happened under his watch.
 
John said:
If the Big East had gotten Penn State who's to say we wouldn't have been the poacher instead of the poachee. As Tranghese told Gavitt, the Big East would rue the day they didn't admit Penn State.
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BY’d who hate the AAC are in essence blaming the victim .
The American is a direct result of mistakes made by a once power football conference called the Big East a co-founder of the BCS concept . The origin of power conferences
The real villain in the saga
were the folks in the Big East who were
handed a goose that lays golden eggs and killed because that wanted to have a one night Banquet .
The Big East could easily be a top 3 all - sport Conference In the country .
Reviewing the football landscape in 1979 -80-81,reveals nothing but opportunity missed .
Gavitt‘s idea of forming a conference from Eastern Independent schools who had been unimportant would kick start those schools into national prominence. The successful model and the buzz it created wasn’t missed by football schools .
Eastern Football schools were all independent however schools like Pitt and PSU were national powers in the early 1980’s .
A Conference of PSU , Pitt, WVA, Syracuse , BCU , *Navy, *Army, Temple , Rutgers and that’s when UConn should have made the plunge then would have created a pretty good buzz.
Indy add opportunities were all over the place plus a scheduling deal with ND was also possible .
That was the first miss
When they finally got around to football 20 years later they made two excellent adds Miami ( the king of the 90’s) and rising power VT but refused to increase beyond 8 the mistake that ultimately was their undoing . Being BCS and a top dog They were in position to raid the Metro a non BCS however home
to FSU , plus schools like Louisville , Cincinnati . Just adding FSU and it’s over for the ACC at the time 9 team middling football conference with 4 teams in one state . Even Clemson was no super power at the time .
The Big East could have picked of GT , Maryland , Va , Clemson , but at that point a merger with the Big East calling the shots is more probable . But not with 4 Carolina teams .
Even after those failures the final straw was rejecting the ESPN offer
A Football conference that covers 1/3 of the countries population
All Spots
Penn State
FSU
Clemson
Pittsburgh
West Va
Virginia
Miami
GT
Rutgers
Football only
Army/Navy
All sports except Football
Villanova
Georgetown
St Johns
Providence
Seton Hall
ND + football affiliate

The second best football conference the best BB conference in the country
With talk of the Big 12 taking BB to market
How Much is this lineup worth ?

UConn
UNC
Duke
Villanova
Syracuse
Miami
Georgetown
Providence
UVA
St Johns
ND
FSU
Pittsburgh
Clemson
Rutgers

or the tourney in MSG
 
The BE tournament vs other conference tournaments...

The MSG is iconic and packed....but on TV, the A-10 has been outdrawing the BE according to this....the numbers in this data/article are puzzling. (Note...this is a Marquette based article).

painttouches.com

Putting the Big East Tournament TV Ratings in Context

If you want to talk about TV ratings, you’re going to need to bring the data.
painttouches.com painttouches.com
 
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CoastAtlantic said:
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Just for yucks; so that would dilute the ACC to: Duke, Wake, Miami, GT, BC, Syracuse, SMU, Cal and Stanford. We can assume ND moves on as well. UConn might actually get an invite in that scenario.

Oh the scenarios we shall to hear in the decade to come.

Seems like the next shoe to drop is the ultimate fate of WSU and OSU.
 
Big East hoops merge w the leftovers please.

(It would be cool for Cooper to get to play Duke in a conference game)
 
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ZooCougar said:
The PAC 12 didn’t even make it. You think a a top heavy Big East with one more big school like Penn State would be the hunter with a non proactive schmuck like Tranghese was going to be the hunter? Sure ok.
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The reason why Penn State couldn't organize with the other northeastern football schools is because Penn State demanded unequal distributions. If the other schools had agreed to that, and if this model worked for Penn State, they might've been able to entice schools like Florida St. Heck, Florida St was already one of the schools talking with Penn State in the 1st place.
 
upstater said:
The reason why Penn State couldn't organize with the other northeastern football schools is because Penn State demanded unequal distributions. If the other schools had agreed to that, and if this model worked for Penn State, they might've been able to entice schools like Florida St. Heck, Florida St was already one of the schools talking with Penn State in the 1st place.
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Both of these items are news to me. I thought that the whole point was to establish a northeast all sports conference. This is actually the first I've heard that Penn State was pitching unequal distributions. At the time, I don't feel like it had the throw weight to make that stick.
 
Some of where we are in football started in 1990...Football Independency started to collapse and teams looked for a conference to join.

....That was the year that Notre Dame signed their own media deal
....That was the year that Penn State joined the Big Ten
....That was the year that Independents started looking for conferences
------South Carolina to SEC 1991
------Miami, WVU, VT, Rutgers to Big East football 191
.......FSU to ACC 1992

FROM 1990 Article...kind of prophetic.
...superconferences will generate more games, not fewer. By adopting divisional play—six, seven or eight teams to a division—the superconferences would be able to take advantage of a long-ignored NCAA bylaw that permits an extra game, beyond the annual limit of 11, to determine a conference championship. A logical subsequent step would be to take the four superconference champs and hold a national-championship playoff; this would involve two more postseason games...
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billybud said:
Some of where we are in football started in 1990...Football Independency started to collapse and teams looked for a conference to join.

....That was the year that Notre Dame signed their own media deal
....That was the year that Penn State joined the Big Ten
....That was the year that Independents started looking for conferences
------South Carolina to SEC 1991
------Miami, WVU, VT, Rutgers to Big East football 1991
------FSU to ACC 1992

FROM 1990 Article...kind of prophetic.
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...superconferences will generate more games, not fewer. By adopting divisional play—six, seven or eight teams to a division—the superconferences would be able to take advantage of a long-ignored NCAA bylaw that permits an extra game, beyond the annual limit of 11, to determine a conference championship. A logical subsequent step would be to take the four superconference champs and hold a national-championship playoff; this would involve two more postseason games...
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CL82 said:
Both of these items are news to me. I thought that the whole point was to establish a northeast all sports conference. This is actually the first I've heard that Penn State was pitching unequal distributions. At the time, I don't feel like it had the throw weight to make that stick.
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Yes, I'm referring to the northeast all-sports conference. It would've happened if Penn State hadn't insisted on unequal distributions. At the time PSU was coming off undefeated regular season, national championship game in the Sugar Bowl against Alabama, considered controversial loss by PSU fans.

Seton Hall got into the BE by virtue of Rutgers sticking it out with Penn State. Syracuse and BC bailed on Paterno. This is why Paterno later had to come hat in hand to the BE.
 
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