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[The Yakk]

Leave the conference when it makes financial sense for them to do so.

The really interesting question is does whatever the ACC do actually matter? No matter what accommodation they make to the high value programs, they’re not gonna be able to keep pace with the P2. So, making any accommodation to them at all, only pisses off your other members. In my opinion, FSU is gone at the first financially, viable opportunity, and no reallocation of dollars in the near term will change that.

Yes, I see your point. And therefore the other schools would be crazy to agree now to any unequal shares, or cave to any other nutty FSU demands.

And when will it make financial sense for FSU to leave? Definitely in 2036, possibly a few years before that. With only a few years left on the GOR, FSU and Clemson should be able to buy out of it for some amount that makes sense for all parties.

That is assuming FSU's program has not cratered by then. Who the hell knows what will happen in 10 years?

 

[jostar1]

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Hearing GK struck out with the Amazon/ESPN deal and it’s not even going to the table for a vote-presidents asking him to go back to the networks and negotiate it higher. Apple negotiations keep putting along at a snails pace.


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I think it’s almost time to start the Pac12 doomsday clock. We are at 5 minutes to PacMidnight.



MH ver3@MH ver3
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Now Pac12 ceos are deciding whether or not to push that deadline further ahead into summer. Some are for it. Most are against.


MH ver3@MH ver3
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It was suggested to GK to do whatever it takes to get ESPN to put their original offer back into play.


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My source that has been in talks with someone in the know tells me the Pac12 issues are cultural at the highest level. There’s astonished disbelief happening at a large scale. Either that or willful ignorance.



MH ver3@MH ver3
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The only schools not completely blinded by their own arrogance are Washington and Oregon who are literally out on the first flight to Chicago.


MH ver3@MH ver3
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Athletic Departments are different story for the most part and there is a paradoxical dichotomy happening between them and the presidents.


MH ver3@MH ver3
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Most of the communications B12 receives have been through the ADs and there is a sense of panic and desperation-even resignation there.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[shizzle787]

 

[billybud]

I'm talking about non rev sports being a part of the athletic department DNA. Many give to the Rams club primarily because of the opportunities scholarship athletes receive & the hope is they return that favor once they graduate by becoming life long donors. Finishing top 10 in the directors cup yearly is a stated goal of the department.

Yeah...but do not think that dynamic does not go on at FSU...the difference is that although UNC is an older, more established, school...FSU's donations of $ 41.7 million far surpass UNC's donations of $19.8 million.....it is a big difference in athletic booster support.

Sportico’s Intercollegiate Finance Database

Sportico is maintaining an interactive, real-time database that tracks the official balance sheets of public FBS university athletic departments.

www.sportico.com

 

[ramses 2.0]

Yeah...but do not think that dynamic does not go on at FSU...the difference is that although UNC is an older, more established, school...FSU's donations of $ 41.7 million far surpass UNC's donations of $19.8 million.....it is a big difference in athletic booster support.

Sportico’s Intercollegiate Finance Database

Sportico is maintaining an interactive, real-time database that tracks the official balance sheets of public FBS university athletic departments.

www.sportico.com

FWIW that's just part of the equation. 20 million are donations to the annual fund but the Rams Club has a independent scholarship fund that alumni/ boosters support yearly that are not included in donations but 5% is withdrawn yearly to cover scholarship cost. In fact the recently concluded fundraising campaign raised close to 300 million for that fund & it currently has assets in the 500 million range & this does not include each sports team operating fund.

 

[billybud]

Ramses...

I gotcha...like Seminole Boosters Inc...whose headline is 20,000 Members Supporting 20 teams...gives $11 million annually in scholarship costs...The Annual Fund, (12,000 members) gives $17 M annually....Coaches Club (1,500 members) gives $2.5 M annually for specific teams....and on.....

 

[CL82]

These never get old, at least when they’re well done.

“Don’t worry I hear ION TV is interested.”

 

[ramses 2.0]

Ramses...

I gotcha...like Seminole Boosters Inc...whose headline is 20,000 Members Supporting 20 teams...gives $11 million annually in scholarship costs...The Annual Fund, (12,000 members) gives $17 M annually....Coaches Club (1,500 members) gives $2.5 M annually for specific teams....and on.....

But does Seminole Boosters Inc sponsor a scholarship endowment completely separate from the University's related endowments? That's what I'm talking about, the Rams Club last reported tax return shows 79 million in donations with 28 million transferred to the AD. That leaves 51 million dollars invested somewhere, most going into the scholarship endowment

 

[Storrs South]

M Hver3 (@M Hver3) tweeted at 9:54 PM on Fri, Mar 03, 2023:
Nova has emerged as the favorite in the east after talks with UConn broke down due to UConn insisting on an all sports invite at a much reduced share.

 

[Drew]

I realize this ship is long long sailed but man… really fun to think what could’ve been if Joe Pa got his wish of there being a real viable FBS Mid-Atlantic/Northeastern based league

Penn State
Maryland
Temple
Villanova
Navy
Army
Rutgers
UConn
Boston College
UMass
Syracuse
Pittsburgh

Could’ve been an awesome league. Oh well.

 

[storrsroars]

UConn wasn't on Paterno's list.

His proposed schools were: West Virginia, Pitt, Penn State, Boston College, Rutgers, Temple, Syracuse, and Maryland,with Virginia Tech, Florida State and South Carolina also considered.

Had Paterno's plan materialized, it's likely UConn would've remained FCS in football and UMass would've joined the OBE in hoops, unless at some point hoops and football merged, which was not really in Paterno's plan (remember, the OBE didn't want PSU hoops).

 

[Ldandy]

I realize this ship is long long sailed but man… really fun to think what could’ve been if Joe Pa got his wish of there being a real viable FBS Mid-Atlantic/Northeastern based league

Penn State
Maryland
Temple
Villanova
Navy
Army
Rutgers
UConn
Boston College
UMass
Syracuse
Pittsburgh

Could’ve been an awesome league. Oh well.

The landscape of the late 70's/Early 80's, when Joe was trying to put something together, was entirely different than how things are today. At that time, Joe was looking for a way to make scheduling less difficult for Penn State and all of the independent Eastern Schools. Obviously, he nor anybody could have predicted how TV and the $$$ involved with it would change the game. Unfortunately, this league would in no way be viable today. In an alternate reality where the above league existed, we would be watching Penn State and maybe Maryland as a partner doing exactly what USC/UCLA just did to save themselves.

 

[Stinger92860]

M Hver3 (@M Hver3) tweeted at 9:54 PM on Fri, Mar 03, 2023:
Nova has emerged as the favorite in the east after talks with UConn broke down due to UConn insisting on an all sports invite at a much reduced share.

M h v e r 3 is a WVU troll yes? so, this would be a B12 observation?

 

[Drew]

UConn wasn't on Paterno's list.

His proposed schools were: West Virginia, Pitt, Penn State, Boston College, Rutgers, Temple, Syracuse, and Maryland,with Virginia Tech, Florida State and South Carolina also considered.

Had Paterno's plan materialized, it's likely UConn would've remained FCS in football and UMass would've joined the OBE in hoops, unless at some point hoops and football merged, which was not really in Paterno's plan (remember, the OBE didn't want PSU hoops).

Totally understand this- just listed what it likely would’ve evolved to given the trajectory with the BE schools leaving and other teams/schools moving up

 

[Luna]

M Hver3 (@M Hver3) tweeted at 9:54 PM on Fri, Mar 03, 2023:
Nova has emerged as the favorite in the east after talks with UConn broke down due to UConn insisting on an all sports invite at a much reduced share.

If there is any truth to this… its just the money conference’s trying to keep all the other conferences down…the big east is having some success with Uconn and Villanova in the same conference with tv ratings… that said.. it wouldn’t make sense for Villanova to join the big 12…the big 12 would have to over pay for Villanova to want to join them

 

[gampelcrazies]

If talks are happening it’s likely because there are concerns about the Big East tv deal.

 

[UConnJim]

If talks are happening it’s likely because there are concerns about the Big East tv deal.

The Big 12 is not adding basketball only schools when, in the ST, Pac 12 schools may be available and LT ACC schools may be available. And, the travel costs for an East coast basketball only school would probably not offset any potential revenue increase.

 

[gampelcrazies]

The Big 12 is not adding basketball only schools when, in the ST, Pac 12 schools may be available and LT ACC schools may be available. And, the travel costs for an East coast basketball only school would probably not offset any potential revenue increase.

Gotta feeling Nova bumps football up in the next 10 years

 

[jostar1]

MH ver3@MHv er3
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B12 to meet with 6 PAC schools over the coming days.

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PAC is now looking at expanding by four because they fully expect to lose at least 2 schools in the near term. Possibly 2.


MH ver3@MH ver3
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GK thinks Colorado and Arizona are the most likely to leave.

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Apple negotiations may require PACN to be absorbed by Apple. All broadcasting capitol and Human Resources. This would be reflected in an increase to $26m per school but also requires ORWA stay and a presence in Colorado and SoCal (hence CSU talks starting).

MH ver3@MH ver3
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6 PAC schools meeting with B12 over the next few days to review financial information and media projections.


MH ver3@MH ver3
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OR/WA/CO/Utah/AZ/AZsU all having talks. ORWA thought to be mostly just an official look in.



MH ver3@MH ver3
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B12 may only be interested in 2. 4 at the most. Would not take all 6.

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Gonzaga and Villanova deep now in talks to join for basketball as Yormark will negotiate basketball separately in the next deal.

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Nova has emerged as the favorite in the east after talks with UConn broke down due to UConn insisting on an all sports invite at a much reduced share.


MHv er3@MH ver3
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TBS highly interested in B12 basketball in 2030 and will pay a premium if they cannot get what they want from next NBA deal-something to keep an eye on.

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Just heard that one Pac President told B12 leadership that they feel like GK is holding the conference hostage with the Apple negotiations. All schools are afraid to make the first move with so many uncertainties in play.

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If Big12 can get a solid commitment from FOX or get a 3rd partner give a solid commitment for pro rata on the remaining 33% they can get at least 2 PAC schools in short order

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Fox may be gun shy to offer that firm commitment prior to B12 adding because they are afraid of a lawsuit since they’ve already been implicated with USC/UCLA defections.


MH ver3@MH ver3
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BY met with 2 P12 presidents in the past 24 hours. Both meetings were incredibly productive. I’m told we are very close to at least 1 of those 2 making a formal request. Still 4 more presidents to meet with over the next few days.

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BY possibly has a 3rd media partner on board if Fox is a no go for adding $ for new additions. No $$ yet from the new partner-very early in talks

 

[Luna]

MH ver3@ er3
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B12 to meet with 6 PAC schools over the coming days.

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PAC is now looking at expanding by four because they fully expect to lose at least 2 schools in the near term. Possibly 2.


MH ver3@MH ver3
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GK thinks Colorado and Arizona are the most likely to leave.

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Apple negotiations may require PACN to be absorbed by Apple. All broadcasting capitol and Human Resources. This would be reflected in an increase to $26m per school but also requires ORWA stay and a presence in Colorado and SoCal (hence CSU talks starting).

MH ver3@MH ver3
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6 PAC schools meeting with B12 over the next few days to review financial information and media projections.


MH ver3@MH ver3
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OR/WA/CO/Utah/AZ/AZsU all having talks. ORWA thought to be mostly just an official look in.



MH ver3@MH ver3
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B12 may only be interested in 2. 4 at the most. Would not take all 6.

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Gonzaga and Villanova deep now in talks to join for basketball as Yormark will negotiate basketball separately in the next deal.

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Nova has emerged as the favorite in the east after talks with UConn broke down due to UConn insisting on an all sports invite at a much reduced share.


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TBS highly interested in B12 basketball in 2030 and will pay a premium if they cannot get what they want from next NBA deal-something to keep an eye on.

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Just heard that one Pac President told B12 leadership that they feel like GK is holding the conference hostage with the Apple negotiations. All schools are afraid to make the first move with so many uncertainties in play.

MH ver3@MH ver3
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If Big12 can get a solid commitment from FOX or get a 3rd partner give a solid commitment for pro rata on the remaining 33% they can get at least 2 PAC schools in short order

MH ver3@MH ver3
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Fox may be gun shy to offer that firm commitment prior to B12 adding because they are afraid of a lawsuit since they’ve already been implicated with USC/UCLA defections.


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BY met with 2 P12 presidents in the past 24 hours. Both meetings were incredibly productive. I’m told we are very close to at least 1 of those 2 making a formal request. Still 4 more presidents to meet with over the next few days.

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BY possibly has a 3rd media partner on board if Fox is a no go for adding $ for new additions. No $$ yet from the new partner-very early in talks

Is troll writing this? … that would really suck if we lost Villanova

 

[mike012]

Just not sure what Villanova gets going to the Big12. Talk about being on an island

We wanted all sports which makes sense. But just bball by yourself. I would want 10–12 million

 

[Hondo 77]

The landscape of the late 70's/Early 80's, when Joe was trying to put something together, was entirely different than how things are today. At that time, Joe was looking for a way to make scheduling less difficult for Penn State and all of the independent Eastern Schools. Obviously, he nor anybody could have predicted how TV and the $$$ involved with it would change the game. Unfortunately, this league would in no way be viable today. In an alternate reality where the above league existed, we would be watching Penn State and maybe Maryland as a partner doing exactly what USC/UCLA just did to save themselves.

TV money has destroyed college sports.

 

[Hondo 77]

Gotta feeling Nova bumps football up in the next 10 years

Oh yes, the old Nova football ploy. The Big12 will really love playing in a 20k soccer stadium.