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LDS has been known to change their views on minorities and plural marriage. They have a very flexible faith...
Because it's all about money. When they saw black people in other countries starting their own Mormon communities they made the change to grow the church.
 
Great question. Better off because with BYU off the table there's not reason not head eastward with expansion? Worse off because with BYU off the table there's no concensus for who to choose? Who knows?

I'd say worse. BYU was the one that made expanding worthwhile as they had the most value as well as helped give the Big 12 more fans in areas where the conference expanded such as Ohio, NYC, Boston, etc... Cinci by itself is a pretty small piece of Ohio but with all the BYU fans included it made it look much better. Im sure that without BYU included the TV numbers for expansion look much worse overall.

I think that BYU might have thought the Big 12 would cave in to them like they thought the last time around and found out the hard way that they were wrong. I think this latest threat from boren was warning them that there is no guarantee BYU is getting an invite which means no guarantee on expansion happening.
 
Thanks for the entertainment. Clearly you two are offended and more than likely mormon judging by the reactions. Religious groups have long needed to change thier policies on homosexuality. Mormons are no different. The sooner that you figure out this has nothing to do with conference realignment and everything to do with how our society views anti gay policies the better. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself with bogus claims that "You think the church shoudl change its' vies for an athletic conference" which is clearly not the case. The church shoudl change its' policies because its' no longer acceptable to discriminate against people based off of sexual preference and doing so sheds a negative light on the LDS. All conference realignment has done is bring the topic up for discussion because of views being expressed such as those by ISU's student body.

I won't resort to the pathetic personal insults you continue to make towards me. I dont' think that is a mature way to act nor does it make me feel better about myself to insult people on the internet. Have a great day!

This is 100% the Dude.

Also I'm offended here not because I'm a Mormon (I'm not), but because you're a fool.
 
LOL. Best of luck with your argument. I was clear that the problem is decades old and has nothing to do with realignment. But you are free to interpret that statement however you like.

There was no argument - I asked for clarification. You still didn't answer the question... You wonder why people are tiring of your schtick (again) - you drop dumb comments, you get called out on them and then try to deflect.

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Without BYU there is zero chance of expansion by four. There are three schools that are leaning toward no expansion, and one is ISU of all schools. The whole thing is a clown show.
 
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Without BYU there is zero chance of expansion by four. There are three schools that are leaning toward no expansion, and one is ISU of all schools. The whole thing is a clown show.

We don't know that. That's what we hear on twitter but we have no idea what the reality is.
 
LDS has been known to change their views on minorities and plural marriage. They have a very flexible faith...
Yep. I remember the whole caffeinated drink issue was quite entertaining a few years ago.
 
There was no argument - I asked for clarification. You still didn't answer the question... You wonder why people are tiring of your schtick - you drop dumb comments, you get called out on them and then try to deflect.

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You seem angry. I made a 100% accurate comment. For some reason it made you mad. I didn't' deflect anything. I stuck to exactly what I originally said while you got upset and started with the insults. Clearly a few of you have some issue with what I said. The reason it bothers you is because its' true. Insulting me won't' change that fact no matter how bad you wish it would.

If you really want an interesting read on Mormons try this.
http://cesletter.com/Letter-to-a-CES-Director.pdf
 
This is 100% the Dude.

Also I'm offended here not because I'm a Mormon (I'm not), but because you're a fool.

It's interesting to go look at the posts in this thread from a psychological standpoint. You can literally see the moment you and a couple others got mad and started insulting with each post instead of actually making a point or having a discussion. Pretty obvious what' going on here when you look at the reaction. Try to hide it better next time.
 
You seem angry. I made a 100% accurate comment. For some reason it made you mad. I didn't' deflect anything. I stuck to exactly what I originally said while you got upset and started with the insults. Clearly a few of you have some issue with what I said. The reason it bothers you is because its' true. Insulting me won't' change that fact no matter how bad you wish it would.

Oh, the "woe is me" defense now... care to quote my insult to you?

Calling out bullschlit and being "mad/insulting" are two different things. I couldn't care less about Mormon ideology - it doesn't affect me one iota.

You still didn't answer the question - get in where "if they are just willing to change some of thier extremist views." The Big i2, celestial heaven, Sonic?

So as not to torture the rest of the board - I'm done because I don't expect you to answer the question and you will just continue to ramble on.
 
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Thanks for the entertainment. Clearly you two are offended and more than likely mormon judging by the reactions. Religious groups have long needed to change thier policies on homosexuality. Mormons are no different. The sooner that you figure out this has nothing to do with conference realignment and everything to do with how our society views anti gay policies the better. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself with bogus claims that "You think the church shoudl change its' vies for an athletic conference" which is clearly not the case. The church shoudl change its' policies because its' no longer acceptable to discriminate against people based off of sexual preference and doing so sheds a negative light on the LDS. All conference realignment has done is bring the topic up for discussion because of views being expressed such as those by ISU's student body.

I won't resort to the pathetic personal insults you continue to make towards me. I dont' think that is a mature way to act nor does it make me feel better about myself to insult people on the internet. Have a great day!

Don't talk about mature when you aren't even man enough to say what team you root for. Go away already.
 
If you want a good example about how religious dogma gets rolling. Google the story about how some overly religious jerk at the air force academy tried to assign religious significance to the ceremonial folding of the US flag.

And the absolutely repugnant result.
 
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Leaving "religion" aside (whatever that means to you), there is actually an argument from "natural law". In physics charges of opposite signs attract and likes repel, and in biology there exists male and female to increase genetic diversity and hardiness or resistance to disease in a population. If we were all identical, one deadly infectious disease could have the potential to kill almost all of us. We are more spread apart say than several hundred thousand years ago but air travel reduces those distances. In biology 1 + 1 = 3 or more. Male + female is how the creatures on the planet's face reproduce and produce a future for themselves and that is "good". In superstring theory in physics there are no point particles, only vibrating strings, and everything is connected - this seems like "karma" where they say all sentient beings are connected by strong, invisible threads so you have to be careful with what you are doing.
 
Leaving "religion" aside (whatever that means to you), there is actually an argument from "natural law". In physics charges of opposite signs attract and likes repel, and in biology there exists male and female to increase genetic diversity and hardiness or resistance to disease in a population. If we were all identical, one deadly infectious disease could have the potential to kill almost all of us. We are more spread apart say than several hundred thousand years ago but air travel reduces those distances. In biology 1 + 1 = 3 or more. Male + female is how the creatures on the planet's face reproduce and produce a future for themselves and that is "good". In superstring theory in physics there are no point particles, only vibrating strings, and everything is connected - this seems like "karma" where they say all sentient beings are connected by strong, invisible threads so you have to be careful with what you are doing.

You are suggesting expansion love-ins?
 
Don't talk about mature when you aren't even man enough to say what team you root for. Go away already.
All that would do is give you an opportunity to throw more insults my way and crap up the thread with the constant trolling from you, scotty, business lawyer, etc..

When you don't contribute and only post to start slap fights you are trolling. I'm surprised the mods let you crap up threads like this with constant whining.

Today discussion was about BYU and in the end it turned into a bunch of 1 way insults because of a bad case of butthurt.

I personally think this attention is going to be enough to make BYU reconsider some of it's policies and how those policies are viewed by other people and groups in this country.
 
Bruce Feldman‏@BruceFeldmanCFB
Heard from a source today that the notion of "football only" members being added to the Big 12 is gaining some traction.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
1) Need to get to 14 Schls to elevate to 8 votes
2) FB only adds decrease cost to TV partners..at least little bit

RedDirtSport ‏@RedDirtSport · 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire
Big12 already wanted Air Force before, taking just football with BYU washes a lot of hands

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
@RedDirtSport
It doesn't wash enough hands. Doesn't wash FOX hands.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
@RedDirtSport
Will see. But Oklahoma is FOX's proxy internally in B12 EXP discussions
Without Expanding into Eastern market..FOX says no

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
@RedDirtSport
As you know..University of Oklahoma & FOX Sports relationship is something both want to nurture. Not disrupt.

RedDirtSport ‏@RedDirtSport · 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire
you need to consider that if it goes down like this Fox is getting something, likely eastern exposure with Uconn

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 5h5 hours ago
@RedDirtSport
Yes...
Which means Expansion needs to be more than 2 add ons to wash enough hands.
Or at least this is what we're told.
 
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Speaking of horses...

I remember the sooner horses pulling a covered wagon w a crazed cowboy at breakneck speed when we played them in the Fiesta. Gotta admit: they were intimidating...

Go fox, go Sooners, go Flug, go UCONN!
 
Speaking of horses...

I remember the sooner horses pulling a covered wagon w a crazed cowboy at breakneck speed when we played them in the Fiesta. Gotta admit: they were intimidating...

Go fox, go Sooners, go Flug, go UCONN!
I'm surprised the PC crowd hasn't picked up on a major University celebrating stealing lands from native Americans.
 
Thanks for the entertainment. Clearly you two are offended and more than likely mormon judging by the reactions. Religious groups have long needed to change thier policies on homosexuality. Mormons are no different. The sooner that you figure out this has nothing to do with conference realignment and everything to do with how our society views anti gay policies the better. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself with bogus claims that "You think the church shoudl change its' vies for an athletic conference" which is clearly not the case. The church shoudl change its' policies because its' no longer acceptable to discriminate against people based off of sexual preference and doing so sheds a negative light on the LDS. All conference realignment has done is bring the topic up for discussion because of views being expressed such as those by ISU's student body.

I won't resort to the pathetic personal insults you continue to make towards me. I dont' think that is a mature way to act nor does it make me feel better about myself to insult people on the internet. Have a great day!

I'm surprised but also not surprised that people don't seem to understand this.
 
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