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brasssbonanzaa said:
It's difficult to fathom a scenario where BYU being out is good for us. There is no indication we are team 12 with Cincinnati.
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I can't fathom any situation where it isn't good for us, unless it means Cinci and Houston rather than Cinci and BYU. I'm still disinclined to believe that the non Texas B12 schools will take Houston except as part of a group of 4. Yet I did believe that they could do BYU and Cinci.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Here is what he said. "BYU is out, and I mean out of any consideration at all. Not sure the details, however I intend to try and find out.". On a positive note for Cinci people on that board, almost all of them really want us to come with them to the Big 12. Gotta give them props for that.
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I have never seen a board that mixes "premium" posts with normal ones like that...
 
HuskyHawk said:
Here is what he said. "BYU is out, and I mean out of any consideration at all. Not sure the details, however I intend to try and find out.". On a positive note for Cinci people on that board, almost all of them really want us to come with them to the Big 12. Gotta give them props for that.
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I like Cincy and their fans. They're not the rival that Syracuse was, but it was a bit of a comfort when we looked around at our nuked landscape and saw a friendly face in the wasteland.

We're each other's Wilson from Castaway.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I can't fathom any situation where it isn't good for us, unless it means Cinci and Houston rather than Cinci and BYU. I'm still disinclined to believe that the non Texas B12 schools will take Houston except as part of a group of 4. Yet I did believe that they could do BYU and Cinci.
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Disagree - having BYU as a candidate increases the likelihood they go to 14 due to lack of consensus on who the second team with UC would be. If BYU were out, that would increase the chances others would cave in on UH and call it a day. Even if they did not cave in on UH, there still would exist the chance we get passed over by UCF or Memphis as 12. Less likely than UH, but possible. Going to 14 is obviously our biggest chance of getting in, and it seems 14 is more likely when there is more disagreement on who team #12 is. No BYU would mean far less ability to disagree on team 12.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I can't fathom any situation where it isn't good for us, unless it means Cinci and Houston rather than Cinci and BYU. I'm still disinclined to believe that the non Texas B12 schools will take Houston except as part of a group of 4. Yet I did believe that they could do BYU and Cinci.
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I have a hard time seeing us as team 12 and leap frogging Cincinnati and Houston due to Big 12 politics.

However, if BYU is out (I know, likely all made up) it puts us solidly in as 13 and maybe the non Texas schools find a way to shoot down Houston and we're in.

In the event it goes to 14, I can't see us being left out in that scenario.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Disagree - having BYU as a candidate increases the likelihood they go to 14 due to lack of consensus on who the second team with UC would be. If BYU were out, that would increase the chances others would cave in on UH and call it a day. Even if they did not cave in on UH, there still would exist the chance we get passed over by UCF or Memphis as 12. Less likely than UH, but possible. Going to 14 is obviously our biggest chance of getting in, and it seems 14 is more likely when there is more disagreement on who team #12 is. No BYU would mean far less ability to disagree on team 12.
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I don't follow the math. If we assume Cinci is #11 on all the lists, and BYU #12, then they expand by 2. It's done. With BYU out, expansion by 2 is less likely and if it does occur, there is a chance UConn is #12. Having BYU out also eliminates Colorado State. They were a package deal. I don't see how removal of a competitor for one of what are either 2 or 4 slots can ever be bad.

Here is my rough estimate of teams.

11. Cinci
12. BYU
13. Houston (but only if they go to 14)
14. UConn
15. UCF
16. USF
17. Memphis
18. Co. State
 
CL82 said:
BYU brought a national sports brand and P5 ready budget. There is only one other school under consideration that does.
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The second half of your post assumes that the B12 schools actually believe that about us. There is ample evidence to suggest that they do not believe that is the case with us. Whether their belief is right or wrong is irrelevant.

Hawk, my math is contingent on Texas's level of desire for UH. I'm going on the assumption that their public stance is what it is privately. If they're pushing as hard in private as they are/were publicly, it's a LOT easier for them to force UH in as 12 if BYU is not on the table. If BYU is on the table, the others can push back saying they want UC and BYU - Texas can then use its power to push for UT and it opens the door for everyone comes to an agreement to take 14 with BYU and UH, and the need for that team 14 - which would be an opportunity for us. If it's only UC and 12, and Texas is pushing that hard for UH with BYU off the table, it's a lot harder for the rest of the league to push back against UT with UCF, Memphis, or us as the other option for team 12.

Now of course if Texas's public push for UH is a facade and in private they don't give two craps, the math changes, but I still see BYU's inclusion, or even tepid support, as an increased likelihood they go to 14.
 
There's a lot of irony in the fact that many of the same posters seem to tout our national brand while complaining about our perception in the national media.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I can't fathom any situation where it isn't good for us, unless it means Cinci and Houston rather than Cinci and BYU. I'm still disinclined to believe that the non Texas B12 schools will take Houston except as part of a group of 4. Yet I did believe that they could do BYU and Cinci.
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If BYU is out, and in this politically correct era I don't see how they can be in, I still say UCONN is in at 12. Houston has too much push back from member schools, and Memphis has issues......Cincinnati and UCONN are legit P5 day one adds. Bearcat fans think we have a pretty good shot at inclusion, but given the way the BIG12 does business they may just call the whole thing off.
 
justgoplay said:
If BYU is out, and in this politically correct era I don't see how they can be in, I still say UCONN is in at 12. Houston has too much push back from member schools, and Memphis has issues.Cincinnati and UCONN are legit P5 day one adds. Bearcat fans think we have a pretty good shot at inclusion, but given the way the BIG12 does business they may just call the whole thing off.
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Reading the tea leaves, UH has more support than I think we all want to accept.
 
Charley Horse said:
Aren't Texas and OU supposed to be diametrically opposed?

Isn't Oklahoma State supposed to follow OU's lead and Texas Tech is supposed to do what Texas tells it to do?

Didn't Flug tell us TCU was pro-BYU?

Didn't the dude tell us WVU was anti-Cincy?

Wasn't every school except Texas, TCU and Texas Tech pro-expansion?

Isn't it's interesting how supposedly sycophantic fans who one might expect to echo their chosen school's imagined stance vary so greatly from the proffered narrative?

More evidence nobody knows nothing.
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Saying these blogs represent their respective University president's opinion on expansion is like saying the BY speaks for Herbst. That being said, I do agree with your last statement: Nobody knows nothin'.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
The're tired of being the butt of all the stupid Aggie /Oakie jokes
They are in need of somebody to look down on.
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FWIW, the OSU fans we met/drank with at the 2004 Final Four were the best group I've come across in my post-season travels. (For the record, Sparty was THE worst. That's a school with real inferiority issues.)
 
Whether Flug is right or wrong, has contacts or not, at least he's been consistent throughout all of the changing stories since the B12 announced they'd be looking to expand.
 
Waquoit said:
FWIW, the OSU fans we met/drank with at the 2004 Final Four were the best group I've come across in my post-season travels. (For the record, Sparty was THE worst. That's a school with real inferiority issues.)
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Ditto on the MSU fans. The ones we encountered in Detroit were obnoxious throughout the game, but that was nothing compared to how they acted after they won. About all you heard from them on the concourse was F UCONN...A lot of drunken cretins. If Jerome Dyson had played in that game we win it. I can't imagine how they would have acted afterward if that had happened.
 
Waquoit said:
FWIW, the OSU fans we met/drank with at the 2004 Final Four were the best group I've come across in my post-season travels. (For the record, Sparty was THE worst. That's a school with real inferiority issues.)
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And rightfully so.
 
Flug has been consistent.

If he is wrong my hope is Fox steps up now making future promises and the Big 12 go with UC, UConn, UCF, and USF. Let UT leave in 2024 and join the ACC (ESPN can sort that out with the Longhorn network and ND). A big 12 with Fox backing it and UH taking UT's place, assuming the anticipated sizable step up in UConn, UCF, and USF fb over the next 8 years, would be rather strong. However I have no real clue of the OU/UT bond.

If everyone thinks UT is a superpower why does the Longhorn network suck and lose money, seriously? Seems like smoke and mirrors.
 

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