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Carson Ingle ‏@caingle · 17h17 hours ago
If you want to hear @thatsean & @ChipBrownHD talk about #UCF & to Scott Frost, here is the @am1300thezone podcast.

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UCFSportsInfo ‏@UCFSportsInfo · 11h11 hours ago
. @ChipBrownHD on radio today "If you subscribe to Jim Delany mindset of expansion, you go grab a major media market like Orlando [#UCF]"

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Lol...Colorado to the Big 12 and he tries to claim he has sources. That poster on ok 247 did not like getting called out for his BS insider info.

A&M, Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska would not join a Texas led conference at gunpoint. That is why I am skeptical about any other league's interest in Texas. Why would the SEC or Big 10 ever mess with Texas when they are already making piles of cash?

 

[whaler11]

A&M, Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska would not join a Texas led conference at gunpoint. That is why I am skeptical about any other league's interest in Texas. Why would the SEC or Big 10 ever mess with Texas when they are already making piles of cash?

I think there is some true in the opposite as well. Would Texas want to be just another school in a conference? Or is a little less marginal revenue worth it in order to be the driving force behind every decision.

 

[Exit 4]

A&M, Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska would not join a Texas led conference at gunpoint. That is why I am skeptical about any other league's interest in Texas. Why would the SEC or Big 10 ever mess with Texas when they are already making piles of cash?

Its pretty obvious, the B12 is going to do a sign and trade. Sign up UConn and trade to the B1G for Nebraska. You laugh - but its probably a done deal.

As for Colorado, A&M and Mizzu, can't see how any of those would really want to leave. The exit price, etc, etc - seems impossible.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

A&M, Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska would not join a Texas led conference at gunpoint. That is why I am skeptical about any other league's interest in Texas. Why would the SEC or Big 10 ever mess with Texas when they are already making piles of cash?

Agreed. I think the OU poster above is imagining things. Is he aware that other than Missouri and A&M, both Colorado and Nebraska are under long term GOR? I don't see how Colorado would ever want to leave the CA schools just to go back to be another underling under Texas. I am pretty sure Nebraska feels the same.

Let's hope this realignment sega is over soon, and we are in. I don't think I can take it much longer.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Agreed. I think the OU poster above is imagining things. Is he aware that other than Missouri and A&M, both Colorado and Nebraska are under long term GOR? I don't see how Colorado would ever want to leave the CA schools just to go back to be another underling under Texas. I am pretty sure Nebraska feels the same.

Let's hope this realignment sega ids over soon, and we are in. I don't think I can take it much longer.

It was a silly post by the OU "insider" that does not warrant any more valuable Internet space, but the leadership at the 4 departing schools really hate Texas and left the Big 12 because of Texas. Now the names are different on the UT athletic department website, but I am willing to bet that UT is still UT. Those schools want nothing to do with Texas.

 

[Rico444]

Unlike so many here I will admit when I am wrong. I didn't think there would ever be an ACC cable network. Will be interesting to see how that turns out because the marketplace doesn't want it and I think you are right it could end up being an expensive outcome for them.

No kidding ESPN wrote terrible contracts for the ACC and Big 12. Of course they don't want to spend more for properties they already own. I think ESPN is insane for extending these deals like the ACC as far as they are into the future.

It doesn't matter why the networks are upset - it just matters that they might have all the leverage in the future and that could end up harming the Big 12 in the future. Remember when the Big 12 was losing larger programs and adding a TCU and WVU - the networks didn't cut their deals back. It was a windfall to divide by 10 instead of 12. So they do have some pretty strong evidence where they partnered with the Big 12 and not just the ACC.

I'm not doubting that you know what you're talking about here, but just wanted your opinion on something. Why in the world would ESPN and Fox have agreed to this clause being included in their media deal? I don't understand it. I see why it's so bad for the networks...but they're the ones that agreed to it. And I'm not disputing that they may be angry and may take it out on the Big XII if they invite four schools, but I just don't understand why this clause was put in the contract in the first place. And if the networks put it into the deal as a concession so they could get something else they wanted, then why shouldn't the Big XII use it?

 

[FDNY99]

I think there is some true in the opposite as well. Would Texas want to be just another school in a conference? Or is a little less marginal revenue worth it in order to be the driving force behind every decision.

IMHO this post is 100% on point about UT athletics!

 

[amory]

so....anyone got an optimistic tweet from a random 19 year old living in their parents basement

i need my fix.

also, 2,000 posts. whaddya know.

 

[whaler11]

I'm not doubting that you know what you're talking about here, but just wanted your opinion on something. Why in the world would ESPN and Fox have agreed to this clause being included in their media deal? I don't understand it. I see why it's so bad for the networks...but they're the ones that agreed to it. And I'm not disputing that they may be angry and may take it out on the Big XII if they invite four schools, but I just don't understand why this clause was put in the contract in the first place. And if the networks put it into the deal as a concession so they could get something else they wanted, then why shouldn't the Big XII use it?

It does not seem that anyone at ESPN who was making deals had any insight into the fact their revenue model was ever going to witness a hiccup.

I'm sure part of the reason was they never thought the Big 12 would even consider schools like Memphis or Houston.

I'm not saying they should or shouldn't use the pro-rata. I'm just saying there is long term risk for their revenue streams if they do.

I hope they do. I think it's really easy to say on a message board that they should take the risk. It's more difficult if you can potentially be left holding the bag in 7-8 years.

 

[dayooper]

It was a silly post by the OU "insider" that does not warrant any more valuable Internet space, but the leadership at the 4 departing schools really hate Texas and left the Big 12 because of Texas. Now the names are different on the UT athletic department website, but I am willing to bet that UT is still UT. Those schools want nothing to do with Texas.

I agree completely. Let's take this one step further, the rumors are plants to slow the process down. What kept the Big12 from expanding before the ACCN? The lure of FSU and Clemson. When those schools are off the table, the talk of expansion went ballistic. Now we hear that there are PAC12 schools looking to jump? There have always been those that wanted to see the Arizona schools go to the Big12 (but the schools themselves). Now we see UCLA, Colorado, and Nebraska/Missouri thinking about or "confirmed" coming back. Sounds a bit fishy (no pun intended) to me. Whether it was ESPN and/or Fox, Texas or some crazy OU fan that doesn't want a GoR extension, it sounds too convenient that these rumors start up quickly now.

I might be, and probably am way off base here, but crazier things have happened in the world of CR.

 

[cheech63]

If Memphis somehow get in over us, it might just be even worse than the kick after UL was choosing over us. Memphis and UL are like local high schools pretending to be colleges. It is nuts conferences somehow value those 2 over a state flagship university in a densely populated area like the Northeast.

If the statement is true that that the Big 12 said " academics are important part in the valuation process ", then there's nooooooo way Memphis should be on the list of potential schools !!

 

[TerryD]

I'm not doubting that you know what you're talking about here, but just wanted your opinion on something. Why in the world would ESPN and Fox have agreed to this clause being included in their media deal? I don't understand it. I see why it's so bad for the networks...but they're the ones that agreed to it. And I'm not disputing that they may be angry and may take it out on the Big XII if they invite four schools, but I just don't understand why this clause was put in the contract in the first place. And if the networks put it into the deal as a concession so they could get something else they wanted, then why shouldn't the Big XII use it?

Maybe it was put in there back then under the assumption that some P5 schools (ACC?) were going to be available to the Big 12 at some point?

 

[CL82]

It does not seem that anyone at ESPN who was making deals had any insight into the fact their revenue model was ever going to witness a hiccup.

I'm sure part of the reason was they never thought the Big 12 would even consider schools like Memphis or Houston.

I'm not saying they should or shouldn't use the pro-rata. I'm just saying there is long term risk for their revenue streams if they do.

I hope they do. I think it's really easy to say on a message board that they should take the risk. It's more difficult if you can potentially be left holding the bag in 7-8 years.

Not on point exactly, but I think ESPN is partially a victim of it's own attempts to manipulate the market. When it's house band, the ACC, was looked vulnerable to poaching, ESPN bank rolled the intial raid on the Big East which appeared intended to butress ACC football while weakening the Big East arguably making it a less expessive commodity. The Big East not only survived it, it continued to thrive, in no small part due to UConn. ESPN offered the Big East a below market contract, perhaps looking to recoup some of the premium paid to the ACC, which the Big East refused. Rather than let Fox get a foothold in the East coast, ESPN funded another raid, boosting its payments to the ACC. Etc..

In the end ESPN cut the "P6" auto qualifers to the P5. When you reduce supply price increases. Now ESPN finds its cashflow and net profit reduced due to the events it started.

Karma is a bitch.

 

[noeynox]

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Yesterday this board was "popping off" wth nothing going on today?"

 

[whaler11]

Not on point exactly, but I think ESPN is partially a victim of it's own attempts to manipulate the market. When it's house band, the ACC, was looked vulnerable to poaching, ESPN bank rolled the intial raid on the Big East which appeared intended to butress ACC football while weakening the Big East arguably making it a less expessive commodity. The Big East not only survived it, it continued to thrive, in no small part due to UConn. ESPN offered the Big East a below market contract, perhaps looking to recoup some of the premium paid to the ACC, which the Big East refused. Rather than let Fox get a foothold in the East coast, ESPN funded another raid, boosting its payments to the ACC. Etc..

In the end ESPN cut the "P6" auto qualifers to the P5. When you reduce supply price increases. Now ESPN finds its cashflow and net profit reduced due to the events it started.

Karma is a bitch.

That is why I sometimes think the idea they manuipulated changes is overstated.

If they did - they cost themselves a lot of money and some valuable content. Made some horrible decisions along the way.

This is more evidence that the outcomes don't align with what seems like logical business outcomes - and saying ESPN would just value the Big 12 purely some day sort of ignores everything we've seen where the money being paid doesn't always align with what things are 'worth'

 

[husky210]

Yesterday this board was "popping off" wth nothing going on today?"

Yesterday I was away from the yard for 6 hours and missed 200+ posts on this thread

 

[Sea Goat]

Watch UConn ticket sales jump when we get the word. We were doing pretty well until Hathaway and his hireling tried to kill the program and we got stuck in gulag conference.
It will work - if you bring in a steady stream of P-5 foes. Asking the UConn faithful to buy tickets when they have to watch the team play in the gulag conference just won't work.

 

[Exit 4]

Yesterday this board was "popping off" wth nothing going on today?"

Maybe everyone is in the air, on the tarmac or already in a secret meeting.

 

[UConnfan8]

Watch UConn ticket sales jump when we get the word. We were doing pretty well until Hathaway and his hireling tried to kill the program and we got stuck in gulag conference.
It will work - if you bring in a steady stream of P-5 foes. Asking the UConn faithful to buy tickets when they have to watch the team play in the gulag conference just won't work.

I would guarantee ticket sales would leap up if we got the call. As much as we as fans love to win....for uconn football at this point, its the perspective of the possibility of winning when we play these teams like Houston or Mizzou. That gets fans in the seats. Not East Carolina and Tulane. Getting the call now will get fans excited for the future and in turn, they will begin to buy tickets now, at least to the "good" games this year...UVA, Cuse etc.

The prospect of ANY big 12 team coming to the Rent? The possibility of beating them? The fans want that, and our ticket sales will increase leaps and bounds for the foreseeable future- regardless if we win or lose these games.

 

[CL82]

That is why I sometimes think the idea they manuipulated changes is overstated.

If they did - they cost themselves a lot of money and some valuable content. Made some horrible decisions along the way.

This is more evidence that the outcomes don't align with what seems like logical business outcomes - and saying ESPN would just value the Big 12 purely some day sort of ignores everything we've seen where the money being paid doesn't always align with what things are 'worth'

I think it was a result in 'investment' in a prior decision. There is a tendency to take the next incremental step to make a prior business decision that didn't pan out more profitable. The first step leads to the next and so on until you reach the point where the mistakes of initial decision are obvious and unavoidable.

Although, I haven't chimed in on the discussion yet, I agree that ESPN would remember the Big 12 thumbing their nose at them, just as the Big 12's current expansion is a product of ESPN doing the same to them by giving the ACC a linear network after denying the same to Big 12. The relationship between the two will likely continue to degrade until business need forces one or both to set it aside.

 

[Seaa Blue]

A&M, Missouri, Colorado and Nebraska would not join a Texas led conference at gunpoint. That is why I am skeptical about any other league's interest in Texas. Why would the SEC or Big 10 ever mess with Texas when they are already making piles of cash?

Because neither would be dependent on Texas. Texas would be in the "nice to have" category.

 

[upstater]

Maybe it was put in there back then under the assumption that some P5 schools (ACC?) were going to be available to the Big 12 at some point?

I think the idea was to keep Texas and Oklahoma from moving. Nothing more to it. If schools knew they wouldn't see a drop after adding teams, then they'd feel comfortable in the conference.

 

[Jimdish255]

Not on point exactly, but I think ESPN is partially a victim of it's own attempts to manipulate the market. When it's house band, the ACC, was looked vulnerable to poaching, ESPN bank rolled the intial raid on the Big East which appeared intended to butress ACC football while weakening the Big East arguably making it a less expessive commodity. The Big East not only survived it, it continued to thrive, in no small part due to UConn. ESPN offered the Big East a below market contract, perhaps looking to recoup some of the premium paid to the ACC, which the Big East refused. Rather than let Fox get a foothold in the East coast, ESPN funded another raid, boosting its payments to the ACC. Etc..

In the end ESPN cut the "P6" auto qualifers to the P5. When you reduce supply price increases. Now ESPN finds its cashflow and net profit reduced due to the events it started.

Karma is a bitch.

Did we ever find out what scared away NBC or other potential bidders from making a decent offer? Or is that just another deal that we may never know.