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HuskyHawk said:
Someone connected to KU posted a month ago that KU favors expansion as long as it includes "a team that wears blue and plays basketball". So this is in direct conflict.
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Technically, BYU wears blue and plays basketball.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
The Texas trio and Kansas are against Uconn while OU/OKST/Baylor/WVU are against BYU.
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I don't see that.

Kansas is a basketball school. Why wouldn't they welcome another basketball school?

TCU is a church school. The only people who hate church schools more than non-church schools are other church schools.

And Texas, I can see three reasons why they wouldn't want BYU. Texas has had bad experiences with church schools, Texas values its baseball team and likes to spread three game series out all weekend, and if AD Mike Perrin bitched about having to go to West Virginia, imagine how he'll bitch about having to go to West Virginia and Utah.

Unfortunately, I'm also getting the impression that as the Big 12 shifts its focus away from a traditional network to more of a streaming PPV type set up, the criteria shifts as well and probably away from television markets - which could hurt UConn's chances.
 
Charley Horse said:
I don't see that.

Kansas is a basketball school. Why wouldn't they welcome another basketball school?

TCU is a church school. The only people who hate church schools more than non-church schools are other church schools.

And Texas, I can see three reasons why they wouldn't want BYU. Texas has had bad experiences with church schools, Texas values its baseball team and likes to spread three game series out all weekend, and if AD Mike Perrin bitched about having to go to West Virginia, imagine how he'll bitch about having to go to West Virginia and Utah.

Unfortunately, I'm also getting the impression that as the Big 12 shifts its focus away from a traditional network to more of a streaming PPV type set up, the criteria shifts as well and probably away from television markets - which could hurt UConn's chances.
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No other program will sell streaming like UConn will. Streaming or network, UConn has a lot of people willing to pay. Why bring in schools that won't bring paying customers?
 
Charley Horse said:
Unfortunately, I'm also getting the impression that as the Big 12 shifts its focus away from a traditional network to more of a streaming PPV type set up, the criteria shifts as well and probably away from television markets - which could hurt UConn's chances.
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Or does it improve them? UConn gets burned a little under the traditional DMA analysis because about million Connecticut residents live in Fairfield County, which is part of the NYC DMA. Now all of Connecticut's 3.59 million residents should be considered a potential asset of the school, particularly since their are no other P5 programs in the state.

Think that UConn doesn't have that kind of drawing power within the state? Well for years SNY (Sports New York - the Met's station) was trying gain a foothold in Connecticut. Once they became the primary broadcaster for the UConn woman's basketball team, virtually every cable company put them on the first tier line up within a matter of months.
 
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Hoophound said:
No other program will sell streaming like UConn will. Streaming or network, UConn has a lot of people willing to pay. Why bring in schools that won't bring paying customers?
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No argument from me. I see the correlation. Good tv market = lots of potential viewers. Lots of potential viewers = likely streaming subscribers.

Unfortunately, I don't make the decisions like the school presidents and I don't write the narrative that sways public opinion like the mediots do. And while the former possibly grasps the correlation, the latter is barking up another tree.

The impression in Big 12 country is that the change in 3rd tier packaging moved the candidates from Cincy and UConn (and possibly UCF) to Cincy and Houston (and possibly BYU - a lot of people won't let that one die.

:-(
 
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So... if a 'non-traditional' network i.e. streaming is the new thing... do they still have to sell advertisements? Is eyeballs even a thing still? (lol at that sentence structure) Or... will the B12N charge ISPs a dollar per household, or something?
 
junglehusky said:
So... if a 'non-traditional' network i.e. streaming is the new thing... do they still have to sell advertisements? Is eyeballs even a thing still? (lol at that sentence structure) Or... will the B12N charge ISPs a dollar per household, or something?
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Maybe the model is like the HBO app that my wife forks over $15 a month to watch game of thrones. Download and app and start watching 30 days at a time. Btw, I'm an MLB audio app subscriber, totally awesome to listen to any game while standing anywhere.
 
Another aspect that shouldn't be overlooked is that Connecticut is one the wealthiest states in the country. Advertisers want to reach consumers with lots of disposable income, and CT residents will shell out whatever it takes to watch their Huskies (just look at the SYN situation).

That should only bode well for UConn.
 
geohusky said:
That they're against us or worried?
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what? I was distracted by your avatar......
I cant imagine that Kansas is against adding Uconn
 
Hoophound said:
No other program will sell streaming like UConn will. Streaming or network, UConn has a lot of people willing to pay. Why bring in schools that won't bring paying customers?
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myself included, outside of NFL network/ redzone i don't bother flipping on the TV unless its for Uconn athletics.
 
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You don't need inside contacts to understand the Pac 12 network is worthless.

They have been trying to drum up capital and nobody is interested.

As for the alternative Big 12 streaming network it can't be done until the current TV contracts run out - ESPN and Fox can't go over the top on the cable providers due to their carriage contacts. Comcast isn't paying $8 a month per sub so they can be backdoored by ESPN streaming the same games direct to people who don't have cable subs.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
Joshua Lovern ‏@joshualovern87 3h3 hours ago
@MH ver3 Cali Ore and WA schools are on par with big 10 school academically.
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Well... except for Wazzou. They kind of sneak in in a crowd of their academic betters and hope nobody notices.

They're one of about 40 P5 schools that have no business being a P5 school and wouldn't meet any criteria to become a P5 school if they were a G5 school now.

And yet a lot of people want to pick nits about certain G5 schools aspiring to be P5 schools.
 
Charley Horse said:
Well... except for Wazzou. They kind of sneak in in a crowd of their academic betters and hope nobody notices.

They're one of about 40 P5 schools that have no business being a P5 school and wouldn't meet any criteria to become a P5 school if they were a G5 school now.

And yet a lot of people want to pick nits about certain G5 schools aspiring to be P5 schools.
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Not Oregon. No.

Cali, Stanford, UW, UCLA, USC yes. The Arizonas, Wash St., Utah, Colorado, Oregons, are all more like Nebraska or worse. Otherthan Nebraska, every B12 public would be better than the Pac12s outside the top 5.

My ranking would be:

1. Stanford
2. Cal-Berkeley
3. Michigan
4. UCLA
5. Northwestern
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6. Washington
7. Penn State
8. Illinois
9. Ohio St.
10. USC
11. Rutgers
12. Wisconsin
13. Minnesota
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14. Michigan St.
15. Maryland
16. Iowa
17. Indiana
18. Purdue
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19. Colorado
20. Arizona
21A. Utah
21B. Nebraska
23. Oregon
24. Arizona St.
25. Oregon St.
26. Washington St.

The funny thing is that when I made this list from memory, the only school I forgot to include was Rutgers.
 
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whaler11 said:
You don't need inside contacts to understand the Pac 12 network is worthless.

They have been trying to drum up capital and nobody is interested.

As for the alternative Big 12 streaming network it can't be done until the current TV contracts run out - ESPN and Fox can't go over the top on the cable providers due to their carriage contacts. Comcast isn't paying $8 a month per sub so they can be backdoored by ESPN streaming the same games direct to people who don't have cable subs.
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It maybe worthless...but it is concievable the PAC 12 bleeds teams in the years ahead? I find that hard to believe, no matter the revenue story. The PAC 12 is just the canary in the coal mine for the tiny B12 footprint 10 years from now as tv viewing/cord cutting spreads.

As for streaming, it will either require a local cable package to access or perhaps they have a premium tier will you pay a super premium price which covers a kick back to the cable company for their lost share of the revenue stream.
 
whaler11 said:
You don't need inside contacts to understand the Pac 12 network is worthless.

They have been trying to drum up capital and nobody is interested.

As for the alternative Big 12 streaming network it can't be done until the current TV contracts run out - ESPN and Fox can't go over the top on the cable providers due to their carriage contacts. Comcast isn't paying $8 a month per sub so they can be backdoored by ESPN streaming the same games direct to people who don't have cable subs.
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You keep adding qualifiers to justify your position that seem reasonable, but are really pretty stupid. The Big 12N doesn't need a separate streaming option, yet. But once a network is set up, it will not be hard to switch it over to streaming.

10 years from now technology will have advanced enough that you won't even need ISP's. Wireless services will provide streaming to the home. Depending on broadcast channels for revenue is just flat out stupid.
The leagues and schools that own their content will win, and everyone else will lose. The Pac 12 Network will eventually be very successful for the league, as will every other school and conference network. Or, we could keep fighting for real estate on ESPN Ocho, because that makes sense.
 
whaler11 said:
You don't need inside contacts to understand the Pac 12 network is worthless.

They have been trying to drum up capital and nobody is interested.

As for the alternative Big 12 streaming network it can't be done until the current TV contracts run out - ESPN and Fox can't go over the top on the cable providers due to their carriage contacts. Comcast isn't paying $8 a month per sub so they can be backdoored by ESPN streaming the same games direct to people who don't have cable subs.
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All it takes really, is living in California for awhile. The place is so populated, that yes, there are enough fans to fill stadiums for Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA. But on the whole, outside of alumni, nobody there gives a rats ass about college sports. The volume of immigrants from both Latin America and Asia simply ensures that that's the case.

But I doubt that it is at risk of being raided really, because nobody in the central time zone (or eastern) likes playing west coast games on a regular basis. If the Big XII shored itself up, I could see them getting Colorado back, and Utah. The Arizonas are very iffy.
 
HuskyHawk said:
All it takes really, is living in California for awhile. The place is so populated, that yes, there are enough fans to fill stadiums for Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA. But on the whole, outside of alumni, nobody there gives a rats ass about college sports. The volume of immigrants from both Latin America and Asia simply ensures that that's the case.

But I doubt that it is at risk of being raided really, because nobody in the central time zone (or eastern) likes playing west coast games on a regular basis. If the Big XII shored itself up, I could see them getting Colorado back, and Utah. The Arizonas are very iffy.
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I didn't comment on any of them leaving - just that the Network is stillborn.
 
There will never in a million years be a better revenue machine for college conferences than what has been in place the last decade.

Through the dominance of ESPN and the cable bundle there has been a $100 tax a year on the 80%+ of households that don't watch college sports.

The Pac 12 Network is dead - if it's such a winner Waylon why can't they find anyone to invest - when they are in the investment cradle of the world.

The OTA model was abandoned because it wasn't as lucrative as cable - note they are moving back to
OTA - so this whole direct streaming concept isn't exactly ready for prime time.

The SEC and Big Ten networks are built on the same concept as ESPN, they have the same risks and have enjoyed the same advantages that the networks have.

If you think you are going to stream games directly to peoples homes on a subscription basis and generate the kind of revenue these leagues have been making... I'm sorry but that is absurd. Nobody is going to have demand at the required price points to even make that plausible.

For example for the Big 12 to collect the $23 million each a year through a streaming apparatus - would need probably 1.75 million subs at $200 a year. Good luck with that.
 
whaler11 said:
There will never in a million years be a better revenue machine for college conferences than what has been in place the last decade.

Through the dominance of ESPN and the cable bundle there has been a $100 tax a year on the 80%+ of households that don't watch college sports.

The Pac 12 Network is dead - if it's such a winner Waylon why can't they find anyone to invest - when they are in the investment cradle of the world.

The OTA model was abandoned because it wasn't as lucrative as cable - note they are moving back to
OTA - so this whole direct streaming concept isn't exactly ready for prime time.

The SEC and Big Ten networks are built on the same concept as ESPN, they have the same risks and have enjoyed the same advantages that the networks have.

If you think you are going to stream games directly to peoples homes on a subscription basis and generate the kind of revenue these leagues have been making... I'm sorry but that is absurd. Nobody is going to have demand at the required price points to even make that plausible.

For example for the Big 12 to collect the $23 million each a year through a streaming apparatus - would need probably 1.75 million subs at $200 a year. Good luck with that.
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Cable is dead. Long live cable!!!! I can't tell if you are arguing that we should be committing to ESPN long-term or not, and I suspect that confusion is deliberate so you can have it both ways. You are "the Dude" of the Boneyard.

No s%$# the forced subscriber model generated a lot of revenue, and it is going away. Do you see the P5 leagues saying "well, that was fun", and giving up? Selling music generates about half the revenue it did 20 years ago. I guess that must mean no one will ever try to make music again? Oh wait, the industry has become even more fragmented and the barriers to entry have gotten smaller, enabling a lot of new entrants outside of the old studio model.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Cable is dead. Long live cable!!!! I can't tell if you are arguing that we should be committing to ESPN long-term or not, and I suspect that confusion is deliberate so you can have it both ways. You are "the Dude" of the Boneyard.

No s%$# the forced subscriber model generated a lot of revenue, and it is going away. Do you see the P5 leagues saying "well, that was fun", and giving up? Selling music generates about half the revenue it did 20 years ago. I guess that must mean no one will ever try to make music again? Oh wait, the industry has become even more fragmented and the barriers to entry have gotten smaller, enabling a lot of new entrants outside of the old studio model.
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I can't tell you what the American and UConn should do until the time comes when decisions can be made. There aren't any decisions to make today.

Who cares if the barriers to entry are low - if you can't generate more net revenue than you do today what is the point? I'm glad you figured out that the music industry is the perfect example of what I'm talking - and you'll probably note that outside of a few examples everyone is a lot worse off - which is exactly where the NCAA is going - some like CUSA are going to get there faster than the Big Ten - but there isn't going to be a better mousetrap than getting subsidized by 80 million homes.

When college sports are in the same boat as the music industry in the coming decades - do you think the ideas you've posted here would have led UConn to being Taylor Swift or U2?
 
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
Source: Former Gophers AD Gets Job At UConn …

Gophs just lost Beth Goetz to UCONN.
Beth held the Gophs AD together after the Norwood fiasco.
Good day for UCONN

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
Beth Goetz will be an Associate Athletic Director at UCONN with emphasis on Football.
Yep, very good day at UCONN

Marcus R. Fuller‏@GophersNow
Former University of Minnesota interim AD Beth Goetz is leaving for the Chief Operating Officer job with UCONN, school announced today

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
Big loss for Minnesota Gophers. I was hoping Beth would stay after doing such a wonderful job at Minnesota.

Minnesota Gophers ‏@GopherSports · 3h3 hours ago
Thank you for all your hard work, Beth!
Goetz Leaving Minnesota for UConn Post ➡️ Goetz Leaving Minnesota for UConn Post

Alex Apyan ‏@AeroApe51 · 3h3 hours ago
Associate assistant director is a mouthful. Wonder if this has anything to do with advice UCONN got from B1G/ACC

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@AeroApe51
Good question.
One of the articles did indicate Beth Goetz focus will be on Football.
Very good question.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@azescobar1
B10 is not expanding anytime soon.
UCONN thought of highly in B1G.
But UCONN, along with everyone else, not a candidate now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@azescobar1
But did UCONN get info/instructions on best way to meet some future benchmarks for B1G?
Maybe
Goetz is a great hire. Period

Russell Steinberg ‏@Russ_Steinberg · 3h3 hours ago
Yes. UConn has reached out to B10, Big 12, ACC asking exactly this: UConn Officials See Big 12 Hopes Fading …

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire @Russ_Steinberg
Thanks for the link.
It's all very interesting...
Goetz could have easily received an already established P5 job.
 
The P12 isn't going anywhere. Worst case they sell T3 content to the BTN or some other network.

There will always be a market for live CFB. If it's not cable, it's another format. They money isn't going anywhere.
 
jostar1 said:
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@azescobar1
B10 is not expanding anytime soon.
UCONN thought of highly in B1G.
But UCONN, along with everyone else, not a candidate now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@azescobar1
But did UCONN get info/instructions on best way to meet some future benchmarks for B1G?
Maybe
Goetz is a great hire. Period
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This is second person with AD experience joining Benedict's staff. I have to believe that they think that something good is happening or soon to happen at UConn, otherwise why take a step down to work at a G5 school?
 
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