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[Charley Horse]

Joshua Lovern ‏@joshualovern87 3h3 hours ago
@MH ver3 Cali Ore and WA schools are on par with big 10 school academically.

Well... except for Wazzou. They kind of sneak in in a crowd of their academic betters and hope nobody notices.

They're one of about 40 P5 schools that have no business being a P5 school and wouldn't meet any criteria to become a P5 school if they were a G5 school now.

And yet a lot of people want to pick nits about certain G5 schools aspiring to be P5 schools.

 

[upstater]

Well... except for Wazzou. They kind of sneak in in a crowd of their academic betters and hope nobody notices.

They're one of about 40 P5 schools that have no business being a P5 school and wouldn't meet any criteria to become a P5 school if they were a G5 school now.

And yet a lot of people want to pick nits about certain G5 schools aspiring to be P5 schools.

Not Oregon. No.

Cali, Stanford, UW, UCLA, USC yes. The Arizonas, Wash St., Utah, Colorado, Oregons, are all more like Nebraska or worse. Otherthan Nebraska, every B12 public would be better than the Pac12s outside the top 5.

My ranking would be:

1. Stanford
2. Cal-Berkeley
3. Michigan
4. UCLA
5. Northwestern
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6. Washington
7. Penn State
8. Illinois
9. Ohio St.
10. USC
11. Rutgers
12. Wisconsin
13. Minnesota
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14. Michigan St.
15. Maryland
16. Iowa
17. Indiana
18. Purdue
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19. Colorado
20. Arizona
21A. Utah
21B. Nebraska
23. Oregon
24. Arizona St.
25. Oregon St.
26. Washington St.

The funny thing is that when I made this list from memory, the only school I forgot to include was Rutgers.

 

[Exit 4]

You don't need inside contacts to understand the Pac 12 network is worthless.

They have been trying to drum up capital and nobody is interested.

As for the alternative Big 12 streaming network it can't be done until the current TV contracts run out - ESPN and Fox can't go over the top on the cable providers due to their carriage contacts. Comcast isn't paying $8 a month per sub so they can be backdoored by ESPN streaming the same games direct to people who don't have cable subs.

It maybe worthless...but it is concievable the PAC 12 bleeds teams in the years ahead? I find that hard to believe, no matter the revenue story. The PAC 12 is just the canary in the coal mine for the tiny B12 footprint 10 years from now as tv viewing/cord cutting spreads.

As for streaming, it will either require a local cable package to access or perhaps they have a premium tier will you pay a super premium price which covers a kick back to the cable company for their lost share of the revenue stream.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You don't need inside contacts to understand the Pac 12 network is worthless.

They have been trying to drum up capital and nobody is interested.

As for the alternative Big 12 streaming network it can't be done until the current TV contracts run out - ESPN and Fox can't go over the top on the cable providers due to their carriage contacts. Comcast isn't paying $8 a month per sub so they can be backdoored by ESPN streaming the same games direct to people who don't have cable subs.

You keep adding qualifiers to justify your position that seem reasonable, but are really pretty stupid. The Big 12N doesn't need a separate streaming option, yet. But once a network is set up, it will not be hard to switch it over to streaming.

10 years from now technology will have advanced enough that you won't even need ISP's. Wireless services will provide streaming to the home. Depending on broadcast channels for revenue is just flat out stupid.
The leagues and schools that own their content will win, and everyone else will lose. The Pac 12 Network will eventually be very successful for the league, as will every other school and conference network. Or, we could keep fighting for real estate on ESPN Ocho, because that makes sense.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You don't need inside contacts to understand the Pac 12 network is worthless.

They have been trying to drum up capital and nobody is interested.

As for the alternative Big 12 streaming network it can't be done until the current TV contracts run out - ESPN and Fox can't go over the top on the cable providers due to their carriage contacts. Comcast isn't paying $8 a month per sub so they can be backdoored by ESPN streaming the same games direct to people who don't have cable subs.

All it takes really, is living in California for awhile. The place is so populated, that yes, there are enough fans to fill stadiums for Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA. But on the whole, outside of alumni, nobody there gives a rats ass about college sports. The volume of immigrants from both Latin America and Asia simply ensures that that's the case.

But I doubt that it is at risk of being raided really, because nobody in the central time zone (or eastern) likes playing west coast games on a regular basis. If the Big XII shored itself up, I could see them getting Colorado back, and Utah. The Arizonas are very iffy.

 

[whaler11]

All it takes really, is living in California for awhile. The place is so populated, that yes, there are enough fans to fill stadiums for Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA. But on the whole, outside of alumni, nobody there gives a rats ass about college sports. The volume of immigrants from both Latin America and Asia simply ensures that that's the case.

But I doubt that it is at risk of being raided really, because nobody in the central time zone (or eastern) likes playing west coast games on a regular basis. If the Big XII shored itself up, I could see them getting Colorado back, and Utah. The Arizonas are very iffy.

I didn't comment on any of them leaving - just that the Network is stillborn.

 

[whaler11]

There will never in a million years be a better revenue machine for college conferences than what has been in place the last decade.

Through the dominance of ESPN and the cable bundle there has been a $100 tax a year on the 80%+ of households that don't watch college sports.

The Pac 12 Network is dead - if it's such a winner Waylon why can't they find anyone to invest - when they are in the investment cradle of the world.

The OTA model was abandoned because it wasn't as lucrative as cable - note they are moving back to
OTA - so this whole direct streaming concept isn't exactly ready for prime time.

The SEC and Big Ten networks are built on the same concept as ESPN, they have the same risks and have enjoyed the same advantages that the networks have.

If you think you are going to stream games directly to peoples homes on a subscription basis and generate the kind of revenue these leagues have been making... I'm sorry but that is absurd. Nobody is going to have demand at the required price points to even make that plausible.

For example for the Big 12 to collect the $23 million each a year through a streaming apparatus - would need probably 1.75 million subs at $200 a year. Good luck with that.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

There will never in a million years be a better revenue machine for college conferences than what has been in place the last decade.

Through the dominance of ESPN and the cable bundle there has been a $100 tax a year on the 80%+ of households that don't watch college sports.

The Pac 12 Network is dead - if it's such a winner Waylon why can't they find anyone to invest - when they are in the investment cradle of the world.

The OTA model was abandoned because it wasn't as lucrative as cable - note they are moving back to
OTA - so this whole direct streaming concept isn't exactly ready for prime time.

The SEC and Big Ten networks are built on the same concept as ESPN, they have the same risks and have enjoyed the same advantages that the networks have.

If you think you are going to stream games directly to peoples homes on a subscription basis and generate the kind of revenue these leagues have been making... I'm sorry but that is absurd. Nobody is going to have demand at the required price points to even make that plausible.

For example for the Big 12 to collect the $23 million each a year through a streaming apparatus - would need probably 1.75 million subs at $200 a year. Good luck with that.

Cable is dead. Long live cable!!!! I can't tell if you are arguing that we should be committing to ESPN long-term or not, and I suspect that confusion is deliberate so you can have it both ways. You are "the Dude" of the Boneyard.

No s%$# the forced subscriber model generated a lot of revenue, and it is going away. Do you see the P5 leagues saying "well, that was fun", and giving up? Selling music generates about half the revenue it did 20 years ago. I guess that must mean no one will ever try to make music again? Oh wait, the industry has become even more fragmented and the barriers to entry have gotten smaller, enabling a lot of new entrants outside of the old studio model.

 

[whaler11]

Cable is dead. Long live cable!!!! I can't tell if you are arguing that we should be committing to ESPN long-term or not, and I suspect that confusion is deliberate so you can have it both ways. You are "the Dude" of the Boneyard.

No s%$# the forced subscriber model generated a lot of revenue, and it is going away. Do you see the P5 leagues saying "well, that was fun", and giving up? Selling music generates about half the revenue it did 20 years ago. I guess that must mean no one will ever try to make music again? Oh wait, the industry has become even more fragmented and the barriers to entry have gotten smaller, enabling a lot of new entrants outside of the old studio model.

I can't tell you what the American and UConn should do until the time comes when decisions can be made. There aren't any decisions to make today.

Who cares if the barriers to entry are low - if you can't generate more net revenue than you do today what is the point? I'm glad you figured out that the music industry is the perfect example of what I'm talking - and you'll probably note that outside of a few examples everyone is a lot worse off - which is exactly where the NCAA is going - some like CUSA are going to get there faster than the Big Ten - but there isn't going to be a better mousetrap than getting subsidized by 80 million homes.

When college sports are in the same boat as the music industry in the coming decades - do you think the ideas you've posted here would have led UConn to being Taylor Swift or U2?

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
Source: Former Gophers AD Gets Job At UConn …

Gophs just lost Beth Goetz to UCONN.
Beth held the Gophs AD together after the Norwood fiasco.
Good day for UCONN

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
Beth Goetz will be an Associate Athletic Director at UCONN with emphasis on Football.
Yep, very good day at UCONN

Marcus R. Fuller‏@GophersNow
Former University of Minnesota interim AD Beth Goetz is leaving for the Chief Operating Officer job with UCONN, school announced today

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
Big loss for Minnesota Gophers. I was hoping Beth would stay after doing such a wonderful job at Minnesota.

Minnesota Gophers ‏@GopherSports · 3h3 hours ago
Thank you for all your hard work, Beth!
Goetz Leaving Minnesota for UConn Post ➡️ Goetz Leaving Minnesota for UConn Post

Alex Apyan ‏@AeroApe51 · 3h3 hours ago
Associate assistant director is a mouthful. Wonder if this has anything to do with advice UCONN got from B1G/ACC

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@AeroApe51
Good question.
One of the articles did indicate Beth Goetz focus will be on Football.
Very good question.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@azescobar1
B10 is not expanding anytime soon.
UCONN thought of highly in B1G.
But UCONN, along with everyone else, not a candidate now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@azescobar1
But did UCONN get info/instructions on best way to meet some future benchmarks for B1G?
Maybe
Goetz is a great hire. Period

Russell Steinberg ‏@Russ_Steinberg · 3h3 hours ago
Yes. UConn has reached out to B10, Big 12, ACC asking exactly this: UConn Officials See Big 12 Hopes Fading …

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire @Russ_Steinberg
Thanks for the link.
It's all very interesting...
Goetz could have easily received an already established P5 job.

 

[CL82]

I'm loving this guy's malapropisms lately.

I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. Now I'm sitting here chuckling.

 

[SubbaBub]

The P12 isn't going anywhere. Worst case they sell T3 content to the BTN or some other network.

There will always be a market for live CFB. If it's not cable, it's another format. They money isn't going anywhere.

 

[CL82]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@azescobar1
B10 is not expanding anytime soon.
UCONN thought of highly in B1G.
But UCONN, along with everyone else, not a candidate now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@azescobar1
But did UCONN get info/instructions on best way to meet some future benchmarks for B1G?
Maybe
Goetz is a great hire. Period

This is second person with AD experience joining Benedict's staff. I have to believe that they think that something good is happening or soon to happen at UConn, otherwise why take a step down to work at a G5 school?

 

[sportsart]

why take a step down to work at a G5 school?

Because we're UConn, damn it, and we have no plan!

 

[CL82]

Because we're UConn, damn it, and we have no plan!

... and that is our plan. We're unpredictable.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

This is second person with AD experience joining Benedict's staff. I have to believe that they think that something good is happening or soon to happen at UConn, otherwise why take a step down to work at a G5 school?

Either our administration has gone crazy or ?????

 

[huskymedic]

J_D_C_2x4:57pm via Twitter for iPad
@BobbyRosinski having a debate with a friend. Should the Big 12 try to add Uconn and Boise St.

BobbyRosinski 5:03pm via TweetDeck
@J_D_C_2x I would say no. UConn is too far away and isn't any good at football

(Host ESPN 730, Program Director as well. Sideline Reporter for Charlotte 49ers IMG Sports Network)

 

[junglehusky]

You don't need inside contacts to understand the Pac 12 network is worthless.

They have been trying to drum up capital and nobody is interested.

As for the alternative Big 12 streaming network it can't be done until the current TV contracts run out - ESPN and Fox can't go over the top on the cable providers due to their carriage contacts. Comcast isn't paying $8 a month per sub so they can be backdoored by ESPN streaming the same games direct to people who don't have cable subs.

No, but they can put data caps in place so that cable cutters who stream more video quantity/quality will have to paaaaaaayyyyyyyyy.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Utini ‏@PromiscuousJawa Jun 6
BYU/Cincy. Beginning 2017. Confirmed. Stopping at 12. Major 75% haircut 1st year to enter. Lowers 15% each year. Announced b4 2016 season.


MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 Jun 5
B12 can also put the screws to B10 by expanding and lessening the amount of $ fox and ESPN can pay B10. #ProRatasAbitch

Brad Gorby ‏@WVBrad 9h9 hours ago
@MH ver3 looks as if you were spot on again.
Could Big 12 expansion chase the Big Ten off ESPN?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 8h8 hours ago
@WVBrad matches right up with what I was told and shared here days ago.

Mountaineer Steve ‏@Mountaineer_Ste 8h8 hours agoIrmo, SC
@WVBrad @MH ver3 You do know any opinion article by SBNation is wrong, unless it is written after the fact.

Shawn ‏@McCoyShawn13 6h6 hours ago
@WVBrad @MH ver3 It's been known since BTN creation that B1G was not renewing with ESPN. No news here.

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 3h3 hours ago
@WVBrad @MH ver3 @Landgrant33 makes more sense for ESPN to dissolve the B12 and spread the teams to other entities it owns.


Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 13h13 hours ago
Come back to the Big 12 Nebraska. You can never leave home.

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 13h13 hours ago
@theDudeofWV ya, let's go back to the big 12 where NEB got 2 home games vs OU and Texas at home in 4 years. Gross

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 13h13 hours ago
@theDudeofWV OU and Texas need to drop WV and the seven dwarfs and come home to the B10 where they belong.

Dave Ackermann ‏@ack4wvu 12h12 hours ago
@NebGradDubDub @Expansion_Crush @theDudeofWV I used to like and respect Nebraska fans; you are definitely the exception


ME: The Nebby fan laying it cold on those hilljacks.

 

[Fishy]

Because we're UConn, damn it, and we have no plan!

Our plan is to have no plan, but to execute the lack of plan so precisely that it has the effect of a plan.

It's pure genius.

Benedict: "How are we doing, Goetz?"

Goetz: "We have no way of knowing, sir!"

Benedict: "Excellent....excellent."

 

[Charley Horse]

ME: The Nebby fan laying it cold on those hilljacks.

As a long time Big 12 fan, I feel compelled to say something.

On paper, Nebraska > WVU.

In real life experience, WVU > Nebraska.

Yes, Nebraska is known for its 'classy' fans (some might call them condescending) but that's only when they're winning. Throw enough adversity at them and they become whining, butt hurt, delusional revisionists of history. By and large, they're completely insufferable.

Meanwhile Mountaineer fans are great. Not at all like Dude Lambert, M'Hver or their reputation as couch burners would lead you to believe.

WVU was a fabulous addition to the Big 12. As far as conference harmony goes, replacing Nebraska with WVU was the best the Big 12 ever did.

 

[whalerfan]

I'm sorry but I just don't get it. I need a rational explanation. If even 1% of the stuff posted by these people is correct how can a conference not only survive, yet "thrive" covering 3 time zones and having 2 schools with their own networks (one of which nobody gets yet alone watches)?

 

[SAMCRO]

... I need a rational explanation....

Then you came to the wrong place

 

[CoastAtlantic]

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
Fox is putting pressure on B12 to expand. The sentiment is FOX is trying to deplete ESPN resources to secure 2nd half of B10 contract.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
Fox is pushing for Uconn and UC

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
ESPN already paying BYU a decent amount so having B12 add those 2 will stretch ESPN further.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
B10 coaches want ESPN to get their contract-exposure for recruits.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
Fox ratings for CFB not in same league as ESPN. Just ask B12.

Chris Shockley ‏@ChrisShockley 4h4 hours ago
@MH ver3 Wasn't it Fox that was at one time pushing for USF and UCF?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
@ChrisShockley at one time yes

Justin Sweeney ‏@justindsweeney 3h3 hours agoClovis, CA
@MH ver3 BYU's current deal w/ ESPN ends 2018. Could easily be absorbed or simply bought out to transition to B12/ESPN/Fox. NOT AN ISSUE!

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 3h3 hours ago
@justindsweeney no one said it was.

₭ǁǐ₪τ ҉ ҎⱤⱡʢɆ ‏@OldSchoolBYU 1h1 hour ago
@justindsweeney @MH ver3
U =ESPN w/BYU2B12
V=ESPN w/o BYU2B12
x =BYUIndy
Y =B12a
Z =B12b

U = (Y-X) + Z
V = X + Y + Z

U < V = savings


₭ǁǐ₪τ ҉ ҎⱤⱡʢɆ ‏@OldSchoolBYU 1h1 hour ago
@justindsweeney @MH ver3 in other words, cost cutting ESPN saves money w/BYU in B12 IF B12 expands.

₭ǁǐ₪τ ҉ ҎⱤⱡʢɆ ‏@OldSchoolBYU 1h1 hour ago
@justindsweeney @MH ver3 they drop $7-10 mil, and share the difference w/Fox. Slight bump to BYU from ESPN perspective

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 45m45 minutes ago
@OldSchoolBYU @justindsweeney relatively speaking versus taking other schools they currently pay a pittance to



Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire Jun 9
Losing Goetz I guess expecting stability within the University of Minnesota Athletic Department for more than 30 days is too much to ask

AZ ‏@azescobar1 Jun 9
@flugempire - UConn's new push to the B1G?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire Jun 9
@azescobar1 I think it's interesting..

AZ ‏@azescobar1 Jun 9
@flugempire - for sure, I think UConn is quietly maneuvering without the bullshit bluster of pamphlets, PowerPoints, and brochures.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire Jun 9
@azescobar1 But did UCONN get info/instructions on best way to meet some future benchmarks for B1G? Maybe Goetz is a great hire. Period

UHCougar07 ‏@UHCougar07 17h17 hours agoTexas, USA
@flugempire Not so reliable reports of ACC interest in UH down the road. Ever heard any rumbling in B10 country?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 15h15 hours ago
@UHCougar07 No on B1G & UH PAC is a possibility depending on when and who PAC decides to sell some of their PACN equity to...important

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@azescobar1 please UCONN fans don't let @flugempire troll you. He knows nothing.

AZ ‏@azescobar1 4h4 hours ago
@theDudeofWV - just trying to get info where I can, I take everything w a grain of salt- no trolling but what's ur educated guess re UConn?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 22h22 hours ago
Greg Flugaur Retweeted Chuck Carlton

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/740999499850473472… Thinking of Re-seeding divisions every year? B12 has no concept of Branding....stoking rivalries. Horse n Buggy

Double-Naught Spy ‏@NaughtSpy 21m21 minutes ago
@flugempire You do realize, don't you, that every team will still play every other team? Rivalries would not be affected at all.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8m8 minutes ago
@NaughtSpy Of course I do...but in divisional play you should be playing your top 2 divisional rivals in last 2 weekends...every year.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 7m7 minutes ago
@NaughtSpy This re-seeding is mind blowing stupid. But again it's Big 12 Country...so I guess it's makes sense.

 

[NYUConn]

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
Fox is putting pressure on B12 to expand. The sentiment is FOX is trying to deplete ESPN resources to secure 2nd half of B10 contract.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
Fox is pushing for Uconn and UC

Is the insinuation here that UConn and Cincy are such major ratings drivers that ESPN losing them would cause them to overbid for the 2nd half of the B1G contract to compensate for content?