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whaler11 said:
I think you guys are making a mistake dismissing Memphis.
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I would be shocked if they invited Memphis.

Memphis is a toxic mix of bad academics, NCAA trials and marginal athletics.

Their football program has been to nine bowls in 100+ years of football - we've been to six in about 11.
 
Memphis is not a factor in realignment. If Memphis is even on a list somewhere, it is just to tweak the SEC.

If you want to read the coach tea leaves: Fuente and Mendenhall bolted for jobs that aren't great, and Herman stayed despite getting some serious interest. UVA is where hot young head coaches go on their way to being middle aged position coaches, and I think Fuente is nuts to replace Beamer. You want to be the guy that replaces the guy that replaced Beamer. I would expect that Fuente's and Mendenhall's agents would know where those schools were in the mix for advancement. Herman got paid and has a monster team returning. He might be waiting for Strong or Sumlin to get fired.
 
Fishy said:
I would be shocked if they invited Memphis.

Memphis is a toxic mix of bad academics, NCAA trials and marginal athletics.

Their football program has been to nine bowls in 100+ years of football - we've been to six in about 11.
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that would be a logical way to sum things up. but you are forgetting Rule #1 trumps all logic with respect to CR.
 
Fishy said:
I would be shocked if they invited Memphis.

Memphis is a toxic mix of bad academics, NCAA trials and marginal athletics.

Their football program has been to nine bowls in 100+ years of football - we've been to six in about 11.
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All true but I'm not shocked by anything. When people start making compromises strange things happen.
 
whaler11 said:
All true but I'm not shocked by anything. When people start making compromises strange things happen.
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I think the strange thing in this instance would be something like UConn being invited.

I really think Memphis is just a non-starter for any major conference - forget all the problems, they're just so far below even the Big 12 academically that I think the presidents would never, ever bite.

Plus, is anyone really interested in the third-best program in Tennessee?
 
Fishy said:
I think the strange thing in this instance would be something like UConn being invited.

I really think Memphis is just a non-starter for any major conference - forget all the problems, they're just so far below even the Big 12 academically that I think the presidents would never, ever bite.

Plus, is anyone really interested in the third-best program in Tennessee?
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If the Big 12 is going to invite Memphis, it's going to have to happen before next football season starts, and it becomes clear that their success was a mirage. Losing Fuente and Lynch in the same offseason = UCF.
 
Alabama's roster has 8 Florida kids ans 4 from anywhere in Tennessee.

Georgia's roster has 16 Florida kids....4 from Tennessee (a couple from Columbia Ms...150 miles from Memphis)

LSU's roster has 4 Florida and 3 Tennessee kids...

Ole Miss has 8 Tennessee kids...6 from Memphis...only 3 from Florida

Arkansas has 13 Florida kids...3 from Tennessee (2 from Memphis)

South Carolina has 15 from Florida...zero from Tennessee

Just from my perusal of the six SEC rosters, I'd say the the Vols are the big users of Tennessee recruits...
 
Fishy said:
I think the strange thing in this instance would be something like UConn being invited.

I really think Memphis is just a non-starter for any major conference - forget all the problems, they're just so far below even the Big 12 academically that I think the presidents would never, ever bite.

Plus, is anyone really interested in the third-best program in Tennessee?
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I wonder whether the people touting Memphis (whoever they are) and to a lesser extent, Houston, are even listening to what Boren says. He's driving the Big XII expansion bus. He wants national exposure for OU. That's his stated goal. He isn't talking about football, he's talking about OU the university. Certainly he also wants the Big XII to survive and thrive, meaning a network. But neither Memphis nor Houston do anything to further David Boren's goals for OU. That is not the company they want to keep.
 
whaler11 said:
I've read it somewhere. Not sure how they defined the area or where I read it.
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I don't know Tennessee well, so I do not now where in the state these high schools are; but, out of 348 SEC scholarship offers/signings in the SEC in 2015 according to ESPN, 29 or 8% were from the Tennessee. 70 were from the state of Georgia or 20%. Thus, I find that statement about the value of Memphis's recruiting base to be suspicious.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/conference/_/class/2015/id/8
 
Mr. Conehead said:
I don't know Tennessee well, so I do not now where in the state these high schools are; but, out of 348 SEC scholarship offers/signings in the SEC in 2015 according to ESPN, 29 or 8% were from the Tennessee. 70 were from the state of Georgia or 20%. Thus, I find that statement about the value of Memphis's recruiting base to be suspicious.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/conference/_/class/2015/id/8
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It certainly could be. I don't know how they defined the geography, nor do I remember the time frame they looked at.

Also I'm an idiot so I could have completely misremembered whatever it is I think I read.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
I don't know Tennessee well, so I do not now where in the state these high schools are; but, out of 348 SEC scholarship offers/signings in the SEC in 2015 according to ESPN, 29 or 8% were from the Tennessee. 70 were from the state of Georgia or 20%. Thus, I find that statement about the value of Memphis's recruiting base to be suspicious.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/conference/_/class/2015/id/8
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Indeed. And Ole Miss is less than an hour and a half from Memphis and has more fans in the area than U Memphis does. It's pretty central really, to several SEC schools, and U Memphis landing in the Big XII wouldn't change anything with regard to recruiting the area. When Arkansas and Missouri were in the SWC & Big 12 respectively that might have been different. The SEC has walled it off pretty solidly now.
 
Isn't it usually California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania for top five, but the group rotates a bit for which ones place higher?
 
whaler11 said:
It certainly could be. I don't know how they defined the geography, nor do I remember the time frame they looked at.

Also I'm an idiot so I could have completely misremembered whatever it is I think I read.
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No need to apologize as 1) I lost my own mid years ago & can't throw stones while living in a glass house and 2) I recall seeing people brag about how valuable Memphis area recruits are also.
 
don356 said:
I think the theory was that they should have added wvu, louisville and cincy.
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Yes. I should have been more clear. The Big 12 could have done something radical like actually have 12 schools in its conference.
 
pj said:
If they had moved a few months earlier they might have added WVU, Louisville, and Pitt.
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Yes. There were rumors about Pitt to the B12 prior to conference armageddon. Maybe they said no because they knew an ACC move was coming ahead of time. Pitt also led the way in the Big East turning down ESPN's (in retrospect) generous offer.
 
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