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[FDNY99]

Not to mention that 1985, which was 30 years ago (gulp!), was the last time an old Big East team (Villanova) that does not support D1 football won a national championship. UConn passed the Big East Catholics on the court about 2 decades ago and UConn does not want to go backwards.

Exactly my points to him this morning!!!

 

[The Funster]

I'm gonna put this here...get on twitter ...
3m3 minutes ago
News leaking from #Big12 they may try to add teams, RT if you prefer #BYU & #BSU, or FAV for #UCBearcats & #UConn

Those 4 plus UCF and USF is the bold but smart play by the Big 12.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Not to mention that 1985, which was 30 years ago (gulp!), was the last time an old Big East team (Villanova) that does not support D1 football won a national championship. UConn passed the Big East Catholics on the court about 2 decades ago and UConn does not want to go backwards.

To add a bit of perspective here (on how things have changed in 30 years)..

The morning after Nova beat Georgetown for the national title:

1- Duke and UConn combined had won exactly as many national titles as Appalachian State and Southern Ct State U.
2 - NC State had as many titles (2) as UNC.
3 - Of the 30 titles since Nova, four schools (Duke - 5, UConn - 4, Kentucky - 3, UNC - 3) won half of them. Reduce the time frame to 25 years, the above four schools won 14 title and cutting it to 20 years they won twelve.

 

[whaler11]

Those 4 plus UCF and USF is the bold but smart play by the Big 12.

Do you really think it's as simple as choosing that and ESPN and Fox fork over $150 million dollars a year for 6 teams they currently pay about $15 million a year to?

 

[pj]

Bring the 6 in, pay them smaller amounts. $6 mn per year all sports schools; $4 mn for BYU and BSU football only. In 2025 everybody becomes equal members or the conference dissolves.

For UConn/Cincy/USF/UCF, at least you are in the autonomy division and competing at a high level, with slightly more money than now. For B12, they have a chance to build mindshare in new markets before paying a large payout, or else deciding a large payout can't happen and dissolving so teams can find their appropriate place.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Those 4 plus UCF and USF is the bold but smart play by the Big 12.

Smart or not, it would take almost every viable non P5 school off the board for other conferences. Who is left? CSU, Houston and SMU?

 

[noeynox]

The one thing I agree with @nelsonmuntz is that if the Big 12 is expanding we need to be nudging ourselves toward the front of the line to be one of the schools picked. If they don't pick us so be it. But being worried about not being a "good fit" is a bit naive. We are the best fit for the ACC, but I'm almost 40, and seriously doubt they take us before I'm a senior citizen.

This November is three years since the last life raft went out. Who knows if there will be anymore after this. I want to be on the inside looking out if and when there is a break from the ncaa.

 

[BoatShow]

We should have like a general discussion thread. One in 60 posts in this thread is a post discussing a tweet probably 1 in 100 an actual tweet

 

[The Funster]

Do you really think it's as simple as choosing that and ESPN and Fox fork over $150 million dollars a year for 6 teams they currently pay about $15 million a year to?

Did I say that?

 

[whaler11]

Did I say that?

Oh sorry when you propose a league add teams one would generally expect that the new teams would be on a similar financial footing....

I didn't realize that you'd propose that USF get less money than Charlie Strong.

Yeah I'm sure the Big 12 will sign a suicide pact to add six schools nobody wants.

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
http://newsok.com/tramel-the-big-12-should-look-west-for-two-new-additions/article/5438621/?page=2 …

Good article. I don't think this combo of BYU/Boise St is going to happen for a simple reason which I'll explain..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
However, this article really puts in a good argument for this particular scenario. Many good points. B12 should not worry about Boise St ACD

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
Big 12 should not worry much about Geography..let's face it..Big 12 needs to add as Big as Brands as they can get. But that is the problem..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
...what this fantastic article does not do is talk about what the B12 TV partners want...

FOX will not commit to a BYU/Boise St combo.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
ESPN could probably buy into BYU/Boise St combo..but FOX wouldn't. So question is?..does going to 14 help grease the FOX skids w expansion?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
I think there is almost zero chance of expansion to 14 so a BYU/Boise St combo doesn't work.But I will keep this in mind and will ask BTM

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
But also keep in mind..I don't see BTM until Sept 25th..and as much as he was ahead of the story...now we may be way behind the story.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@geoffmitchell The current TV contract may just be pro-rata for 14 as it is for 12...it possible. However Bowl $...NCAA BB money ect..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@geoffmitchell ..would be slice up 4 more ways instead of 2...would a CCG for 20-25 mil a year make up the difference? I don't think so.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@geoffmitchell Logically...heck..even emotionally these cautiousB12 Presidents would probably flinch severely at an exoansion of 4 over 2.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@geoffmitchell FOX needs to be satisfied with one of these 2 additions..this means an addition in the East. Tramel write great article..but

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@geoffmitchell ...but I don't see the scenario happening. But I will ask the question 8 weeks from now. Will see.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@geoffmitchell Best part of the Tramel article is the first part where he describes added value to FOX/ESPN b/c it creates flexibility/Sched

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@geoffmitchell ...because of the Mountain West Timezone. I think that argument has a lot of weight to it..IMO.But does FOX give up East add?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 60m60 minutes ago
@geoffmitchell Is the 2 Mountain West Timezone adds give enough overall value in FOX perspective to give up the FLA (UCF) add?

 

[junglehusky]

I can't figure out why I spent 2 pages arguing with people that think that staying the course will result in a better outcome than it has to date.

Literally nobody is saying that.

UConn is contentedly sitting around making $2.5MM a year in the AAC.

Ditto.

 

[The Funster]

Oh sorry when you propose a league add teams one would generally expect that the new teams would be on a similar financial footing....

I didn't realize that you'd propose that USF get less money than Charlie Strong.

Yeah I'm sure the Big 12 will sign a suicide pact to add six schools nobody wants.

They're not going to be on equal footing. They can't be now but who says that they can't appreciate as part of revitalized Big 12? UConn gets you into the NY market. Cincy gets you into the Midwest. USF and UCF gets you Florida recruiting and some good markets. BYU gets national exposure and Boise is good football. Take the six, negotiate a deal where the 10 get around their current money and the 6 get less as they join and give yourself a 5 year lookin to renegotiate. Convince Texas to use LHN as a spine for a new Big 12 network and maybe, just maybe you can make something. Look the Big 12 is going to die unless they do something that has a little flair. Staying stodgy and close minded is a death sentence.

 

[dayooper]

But how are you going to accomplish all of this?

1. By allowing the directional Florida schools into the Big12, ESPN is allowing Fox entrance into that ESPN only area. Not sure they want to do that.

2.UConn (as you know), Cincinnati, USF and UCF all are owned by ESPN and a ridiculously low price. They (as you know) get those properties at such a bargain, does ESPN really want to let that go?

3. How are going to convince Texas to let go of the LHN. It's the only reason why the Big12 was kept in the first place and it's the only reason we have a Big12 now. Without the LHN, Texas would be gone.

4. How much money do you think the new six will bring in? The Big12'is already getting payment for 12 schools when it only has 10. The new schools would have split a 4 school payment 6 ways. Yes, it would still be more than what you are making now, but you would be always in the rear view mirror.

5. The big12 is no position to negotiate. They are lucky they have been making what they are making since the Big 4 left. I highly doubt that either network would want to spend more and more for something they already have.

I want you all somewhere, hopefully the Big10. The big issue is that there really isn't leverage from the Big12 unless you are Texas, and they don't want expansion. Even Texas has their hands tied behind their back with ESPN. I see the Big12 at status quo for the duration of their conference.

 

[coachcap]

Get Jerry Jones involved. (Lord, I don't what made me print this) The modern day P.T.Barnum knows a good show when he sees it. Adding the 6 aforementioned schools will stabilize the XII, bring in new markets, & improve the XII's various sponsored athletic programs.
Football: Gets the XII into Florida & Ohio for recruiting purposes
Basketball: Add UConn, Cinci, BYU, to Kansas, Texas, & Okie St. & you have the makings of a very competitive conference a la the old Big East.
Baseball: UCF, USF, UConn enhance the XII in competition. (Imagine the Huskies playing Texas at Dunkin-Yard Goats Stadium in Mid May-might sell out the place)
Track & Field- Olympic style competition.

Just seems like a match, that's why it probably won't happen.

 

[coachcap]

Oh, and on the distaff side, can you imagine UConn, Baylor, & Oklahoma as conference mates in women's basketball? Yikes!

 

[FDNY99]

Oh, and on the distaff side, can you imagine UConn, Baylor, & Oklahoma as conference mates in women's basketball? Yikes!

Immediately the BEST women's hoops conference in the country...that would also allow UT to get back into the game of being a top women's hoop program.

 

[CL82]

4. How much money do you think the new six will bring in? The Big12'is already getting payment for 12 schools when it only has 10. The new schools would have split a 4 school payment 6 ways. Yes, it would still be more than what you are making now, but you would be always in the rear view mirror.

5. The big12 is no position to negotiate. They are lucky they have been making what they are making since the Big 4 left. I highly doubt that either network would want to spend more and more for something they already have.

It was recently revealed that the Big 12 TV deal has and anti-dilution clause. The addition of more school results in additional payments to make everyone whole. The TV deal isn't the issue, other revenue may be.

Why should a network pay more money for what it already has? There are a lot of reasons, but it's probably sufficient to just note that, except for the Big East that's what has happened repeatedly.

 

[ElGuapo]

I had a bonfire in my backyard last night and was given a sign from the fire gods that Cincinnati is up next for CR.
Or it could be interpreted as a Connecticut 'C' but the claw embers at the top of it make me think its the Bearcats.

 

[Husky92]

I had a bonfire in my backyard last night and was given a sign from the fire gods that Cincinnati is up next for CR.
Or it could be interpreted as a Connecticut 'C' but the claw embers at the top of it make me think its the Bearcats.

That is a really bad omen...

but consistent with the first rule of CR.

 

[ElGuapo]

From the Hell that is the AAC, one school beats back Satan's reach and escapes.
The Cincinnati Bearcats!

 

[noeynox]

I had a bonfire in my backyard last night and was given a sign from the fire gods that Cincinnati is up next for CR.
Or it could be interpreted as a Connecticut 'C' but the claw embers at the top of it make me think its the Bearcats.

You just became one of the dude's "impeccable sources". Congrats.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Forget the C, how about the little gremlin below the C? Or is it E.T., or the Dread Pirate Roberts?

 

[dayooper]

It was recently revealed that the Big 12 TV deal has and anti-dilution clause. The addition of more school results in additional payments to make everyone whole. The TV deal isn't the issue, other revenue may be.

Why should a network pay more money for what it already has? There are a lot of reasons, but it's probably sufficient to just note that, except for the Big East that's what has happened repeatedly.

Yet the conferences have to ok the deal. They just can't say "look we got these 6 teams, now pay us." Fox and ESPN have to give the OK, what if they don't? Does the anti-dilution clause work up to 12? They are already being paid as a 12 league conference.

I think almost in every instance, a major conference gained revenue or was trying to gain revenue. Nebraska made money for Fox and it's BTN, as did Maryland/Rutgers. All three will pay off come 2017. Texas A&M and Mizzou made boatloads for the SEC. Colorado and Utah made some, and will payoff even better down the road. WVU and TCU kept the Big12 together, thus keeping Texas in the grasps of ESPN. ESPN has the AAC on the cheap. Why would they pay that much more not really making more money. Texas can't go anywhere without the consent of their LHN overlords, so why would they ok any changes?

I was supposed to reply to this post:

They're not going to be on equal footing. They can't be now but who says that they can't appreciate as part of revitalized Big 12? UConn gets you into the NY market. Cincy gets you into the Midwest. USF and UCF gets you Florida recruiting and some good markets. BYU gets national exposure and Boise is good football. Take the six, negotiate a deal where the 10 get around their current money and the 6 get less as they join and give yourself a 5 year lookin to renegotiate. Convince Texas to use LHN as a spine for a new Big 12 network and maybe, just maybe you can make something. Look the Big 12 is going to die unless they do something that has a little flair. Staying stodgy and close minded is a death sentence.

People think that this is all easy to figure out and their ideas of convincing someone to do something They want them to do don't work. How are you going to convince both ESPN and Texas to give up the LHN? You aren't. How are you going to renegotiate a contract that you are already over paid for with a look-in that would give you more? The Big12 will exist as long as Texas and, to a lesser extent, Oklahoma, want it to. I just don't see Texas going this route.

 

[The Funster]

Relax, have some fun with it. Nothing about CR makes a hell of a lot of sense. If any of it made sense, would UConn be in the AAC? No, we've been shafted at every turn. Don't take away my dreams!

 

[Waquoit]

We have one chance to get to the P5 and that's by sticking it out in whatever you want to call this purgatory.
It's not happening in five years and it may never happen - but if it does, this is how it happens. We do this until we run out of runway - no choice.

Yup, sometimes hope IS a plan.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yup, sometimes hope IS a plan.

Unfortunately, hope comes with a hefty price tag to keep a P5 athletic department funded with AAC revenues.

 

[Dooley]

In this analogy, Nelson suggests the athletic department go the way of Brooks.

"UConn Was Here"

 

[HuskyHawk]

Unfortunately, hope comes with a hefty price tag to keep a P5 athletic department funded with AAC revenues.

Good Lord. How do you survive with this attitude? It's the equivalent of: "I'd like a nice house in the suburbs, a pretty wife, two kids a dog and a solid job. Since I don't have that right now, I should just stick my head in a wood chipper."

The reality right now is better than any of your alternatives, and preserves at least hope for an even better future. There is no other option except suicide.

 

[Dooley]

Unfortunately, hope comes with a hefty price tag to keep a P5 athletic department funded with AAC revenues.

I know that you have your own "I want to crush UConn athletics" agenda, but you're being deliberately obtuse now. You were answered in another thread how the AD can support itself while the school and AD continue to improve its P5 profile. Is it optimal? Certainly not. Is it sustainable in the long-term? No. But it's not nearly as dire, in the short-term, as you are making it out to seem. It certainly is enough to buy UConn time to better its P5 profile in the next few years without taking drastic, moronic steps like cutting football and permanently moving our elite hoops programs into a mid-major conference as you suggest. Please stop posting this kind of nonsense.

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/if-there-is-big-12-expansion.78529/page-7#post-1386393