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[Storrs South]

There is not an available move that would match Tier 1.

Sure there is nothing to match, but not even attempting to close a gap is basically giving up waiting to be poached in X years.

 

[CTBballfan243]

UCF and Cinci are going to the B12. I don't know why people keep forgetting this fact.

If enough teams get poached from said B12 then B12 won’t exist.

 

[CAtlantic]

college football fan@Genetics56 · 7h
When people read what they want to read on Twitter they think the information is good. When they read the information they don't like, they think it's just a bunch of BS, throw stuff against the wall to see if it sticks..cont

college football fan@Genetics56 · 7h
One a personal level, I want Oregon to be in the Big Ten, but I also was provided the data that shows the reality of the situation. Oregon is NOT an additive gain to the Big Ten Conference. They are behind Nebraska in a lot of the 27 categories....cont

college football fan@Genetics56 · 7h
I understand now why Oregon hasn't been picked up when it's incredibly easy to add them if the conference leaders wanted Oregon.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 7h
The number one killer for Oregon is its admissions rate. When you compare it to the rest of the Big Ten for the avg per Big Ten school, it's so far away from the avg that it sticks out like the sun on a cloudless day.

TheEmperorHasNoClothes@ARjdoc · 7h
Replying to @ARjdoc and @Genetics56
Oregon about the same as Indiana, Iowa, Michigan St, and Nebraska

college football fan@Genetics56 · 7h
Big ten averages it over years for grad vs undergrade

college football fan@Genetics56 · 6h
Since Kansas comes up a lot, I'll share some more stuff on them. If you know Kansas, you can correctly assume a lot of things - football related categories are very bad, 5th from the very bottom in all of FBS. Basketball rate 3rd in all of college basetball...in other ares though

college football fan@Genetics56 · 6h
One would think Kansas would get a poor rating for population, but they actually get a good rating on that. It must be because of the Colorado thing. The olympic areas Kansas gets a good rating. The things that hurt Kansas are admissions rate, football, academic rank, Viewers.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 6h
UCLA, out of the 27 categories, rates good to excellent in all 27 categories. Stanford has more in the excellent level than UCLA, but it's clear UCLA is viewed highly among the Big Ten.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 6h
Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin have good to excellent in 26 of the 27 categories.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 6h
Remember I posted the other data the new criteria for Big Ten expansion....for self-sustainability for financials in the athletic department, Notre Dame is the school that gets a negative score. Even UCLA with their debt has a higher rating.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 4h
You can be angry at what I have tweeted out since last night, but facts are facts. The facts are not going to change based on emotions. Only way the Big Ten expands is if Notre Dame or Stanford called. That is it since ACC is years away.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 3h
Even SI ranks Stanford higher than Oregon and they are nowhere near as detailed as the Big Ten is. The facts have spoken and Oregon is not an institutional fit for the Big Ten.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
To answer numerous questions that I have gotten via DM's and comments. I'm not allowed to give out the categories. What I can say is, that there are 5 topics of focus and specific categories within each topic...such as research expenditure ranking, grad school rankings, etc. cont

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
For the ranking of each Big Ten school: the ranking is Northwestern, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, IL, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan State, Purdue, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Nebraska. USC would slide into 3rd and UCLA would slide into 2nd...cont

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
If Stanford went to the Big Ten, then the top 3 would be from the Pac 12. Those are additive additions to the Big Ten Conference. There's nobody left in the country that could add to the top 4 spots in the Big Ten. That is officially closed off now if Stanford came.cont

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
For Notre Dame, they score positive in 22 categories out of 27. Their biggest negative is undergrad enrollment. Do I have numbers for all schools? No. I don't have any data on SEC schools or any G5 schools. Only Pac 12, Kansas, and ACC.cont

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
Would the Big Ten ever try to poach an SEC school? No. They operate with a different mindset. For example, most of the schools in the SEC spend more money on athletics than they do scientific research. Research is more important to the Big Ten than athletics..cont

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
When you compare the leftover P5 and G5 schools, outside of Stanford and Cal (counting USC + UCLA as Big Ten schools), the Big Ten schools have a 225% larger academic budget, 400% larger endowments, and 330% larger research expenditure.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
Could Kansas get into the Big Ten? If they fix football. Otherwise, the answer is a no. Kansas rates as a negative in all football categories. Where would Notre Dame rank in the Big Ten without Stanford? 4th...behind UCLA, USC, NW.

David Bowline@dwbowline · 2h
You clearly know nothing about Kansas. Lawrence is part of KC market, has good academics, is an AAU school and has surprisingly decent ratings for televised football games. But keep spewing your garbage.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 2h
I know how the Big Ten rates Kansas since I have the data. They are positive in 15 out of the 27 categories but continue on...



MH ver3@MH ver3 · 7h
Those of you worrying about access to playoffs due to harder due to W/L record if B12 drops scheduling FCS and moved to 10 conference games-relax. Power5 (or 4) will most likely have an autobid for their champ after playoffs expand.

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 38m
Yormark meeting with Phil Knight this weekend. Don’t know if it’s Nike related, Ducks related, or both.

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 34m
And we are very seriously considering ESPNs offer for a tier3 network on a rebranded LHN. I’m going to say it now: people won’t be happy when OU and UT get out of B12 a year early and only paying about 50% of the exit fee

 

[HuskyHawk]

UCF and Cinci are going to the B12. I don't know why people keep forgetting this fact.

Nobody is forgetting it. Like WVU they would prefer the ACC. Houston probably would not.

 

[jostar1]

UCF and Cinci are going to the B12. I don't know why people keep forgetting this fact.

Remember this?

TCU spurns Big East and joins Big 12 conference

AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - Texas Christian University, which had already pledged to join the Big East conference, will instead join the Big 12 athletic conference, officials announced Monday, latest in a series of college sports realignments.

TCU spurns Big East and joins Big 12 conference

Texas Christian University, which had already pledged to join the Big East conference, will instead join the Big 12 athletic conference, officials announced Monday, latest in a series of college sports realignments.

www.reuters.com

 

[CAtlantic]

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
Hearing that Pac12(-2) has still not been able to get all their member schools to commit to a GOR for the initial offering from espn. Only 2 schools willing to commit currently

Will Klose@lonestarpoke · 1h
WSU and ORST?

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
They just want to keep the band together at any cost.

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
Replying to @MH ver3
CU, Az, AzSt are observing but not enthused nor committal.

Steve@SteveJamesDNVR · 1h
Replying to @MH ver3
Like they are observing the PAC12 landscape and they are not committing to anything?

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
I was told that AZST is the most involved of the 3. But still those 3 seem more withdrawn and less outspoken.

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
Kliavkoff just may end up on the receiving end of a vote of no confidence.

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
Replying to @MH ver3
Surprising to me that Cal isn’t willing to sign. They actually believe they can force their way into the B10 with UCLA. They actually truly believe it.

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
Utah’s stance is they will sign it if Washington and Oregon will sign it.

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
Oregon and Washington want a shorter term contract with no GOR

MH ver3@MH ver3 · 1h
Stanford actually may bolt the conference and go out on their own if there are further defections. Has spoken with another nearby conference about a home for Olympic sports and a scheduling agreement for football al a Notre Dame.

 

[RioDog]

It sounds like the bastard child of validate and solidify.

Thank you for solididating my my understanding.

 

[JeepCSC]

I doubt they are going to watch the Big 10 and SEC make 2x in TV revenue for the next decade and do nothing about it.

Sure there are no adds that are going to match adding USC, Texas, or OU but sitting around and doing nothing seems unlikely.

We have already seen a significant decline in ACC football that will probably continue and we have also see ACC basketball start to falter and now without its two name brand coaches meaning their biggest brands could decline.

This era has arguably been a high for the ACC in football (2 playoff teams two years ago lol), and a recent high for basketball (5 of the last 7 title games). But the money gap is there.

 

[businesslawyer]

Sure there is nothing to match, but not even attempting to close a gap is basically giving up waiting to be poached in X years.

Adding schools not at the revenue producing level of the SEC and Big Ten is not attempting to close a gap. It’s just expanding for the purpose of making you think you’re doing something.

Based on current revenue models, UNC and Georgia Tech aren’t going to be incentivized to turn down a SEC or Big Number one bit because prior to then the conference has added UConn or Cincy. It just won’t matter.

And for the ACC members that will be left behind, UConn will still be there when and if they call. They don’t gain anything by adding us earlier unless adding us now increases their revenue. Which it doesn’t

 

[CL82]

Adding schools not at the revenue producing level of the SEC and Big Ten is not attempting to close a gap. It’s just expanding for the purpose of making you think you’re doing something.

Based on current revenue models, UNC and Georgia Tech aren’t going to be incentivized to turn down a SEC or Big Number one bit because prior to then the conference has added UConn or Cincy. It just won’t matter.

And for the ACC members that will be left behind, UConn will still be there when and if they call. They don’t gain anything by adding us earlier unless adding us now increases their revenue. Which it doesn’t

Unless ESPN wanted it to, then it would.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Adding schools not at the revenue producing level of the SEC and Big Ten is not attempting to close a gap. It’s just expanding for the purpose of making you think you’re doing something.

Based on current revenue models, UNC and Georgia Tech aren’t going to be incentivized to turn down a SEC or Big Number one bit because prior to then the conference has added UConn or Cincy. It just won’t matter.

And for the ACC members that will be left behind, UConn will still be there when and if they call. They don’t gain anything by adding us earlier unless adding us now increases their revenue. Which it doesn’t

Unless ESPN wanted it to, then it would.

I've stayed solid believing in B1G and SEC becoming the two dominant conferences and absorbing the other conferences under their umbrella. All being funded or aligned with FOX or ESPN.

These two groups need content and even if the remaining teams aren't pure equals, they provide options for one group and remove those options from the other group.

So, if ESPN wants UConn to build its roster, UConn will slot somewhere in the ESPN grouping. Which also means UConn is removed from FOX groupings.

I think it more likely FOX absorbs the Big East under the B1G umbrella. Football can stay independent but will have its schedule dominates by other FOX aligned schools.

 

[CL82]

I've stayed solid believing in B1G and SEC becoming the two dominant conferences and absorbing the other conferences under their umbrella. All being funded or aligned with FOX or ESPN.

These two groups need content and even if the remaining teams aren't pure equals, they provide options for one group and remove those options from the other group.

So, if ESPN wants UConn to build its roster, UConn will slot somewhere in the ESPN grouping. Which also means UConn is removed from FOX groupings.

I think it more likely FOX absorbs the Big East under the B1G umbrella. Football can stay independent but will have its schedule dominates by other FOX aligned schools.

That is an interesting theory, that I actually find somewhat plausible. Could FOX and ESPN wind up in a low-key bidding war for the Big East? Maybe. While that wouldn’t get it P2 money, or even P5 money, it might end up being worth a few million per school more

 

[Chin Diesel]

That is an interesting theory, that I actually find somewhat plausible. Could FOX and ESPN wind up in a low-key bidding war for the Big East? Maybe. While that wouldn’t get it P2 money, or even P5 money, it might end up being worth a few million per school more

I just think there will be less crossover games between ESPN and FOX properties.
At a certain point quantity becomes a quality when it's a zero sum game of you either get a university for its sports or you don have any access to it for programming.

 

[CAtlantic]

Greg Flugaur@flugempire · 2h
By end of the series I believe that many will understand why Notre Dame, if they were ever going to say yes to Big Ten, it would happen in next 80 day window.

We believe the Irish will act when their leverage with Big Ten is most high…just like USC.

Within the next 80 days.

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[bobbyinaz]

I just think there will be less crossover games between ESPN and FOX properties.
At a certain point quantity becomes a quality when it's a zero sum game of you either get a university for its sports or you don have any access to it for programming.

SBJ Media: New Big Ten bids coming this week

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

It's being reported that ESPN is still in negotiations for a slice of the B1G pie.

If they do get some B1G games, they will do everything they can to make sure any B1G games they own is against another ESPN owned school If it's not a B1G conference game. ESPN is going to want that game played against SEC or ACC schools.

By potentially bringing ESPN to the party, the B1G throws some cold water on the SEC vs B1G race to supremacy. Sure, they will compete against each other in many ways but, having a mutual partner can help ease a lot of tensions as these 2 conferences figure how to move forward. With the way they've positioned themselves, they actually need each other if the goal is a breakaway.

 

[dayooper]

SBJ Media: New Big Ten bids coming this week

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

It's being reported that ESPN is still in negotiations for a slice of the B1G pie.

If they do get some B1G games, they will do everything they can to make sure any B1G games they own is against another ESPN owned school If it's not a B1G conference game. ESPN is going to want that game played against SEC or ACC schools.

By potentially bringing ESPN to the party, the B1G throws some cold water on the SEC vs B1G race to supremacy. Sure, they will compete against each other in many ways but, having a mutual partner can help ease a lot of tensions as these 2 conferences figure how to move forward. With the way they've positioned themselves, they actually need each other if the goal is a breakaway.

I guess I just don’t see this as a competition between Fox and ESPN. It’s more like a partnership. While The Mouse will push the SEC for profit, there needs to be more than 16-24 teams in the P5. With the yearly payouts hinted at over $1 billion each for the Big10 and SEC, there’s no way either will be willing to pony up over $2 billion for the games. This whole idea doesn’t work unless you have 32-48 teams in the mix. With Fox and ESPN splitting the main costs, it becomes more manageable. Fox bringing in ESPN and others also lessens the financial burden.

Think of it, the only 2 schools they truly would be fighting over is UNC and ND. The rest can easily be divided into how ever many they want. Put 40-48 schools in the P5 and you have a more interesting grouping than something smaller. My guess is they aren’t going to hold up any deal to break away for UNC (If ND goes anywhere, it will be ACC or Big10).

 

[Chin Diesel]

I guess I just don’t see this as a competition between Fox and ESPN. It’s more like a partnership. While The Mouse will push the SEC for profit, there needs to be more than 16-24 teams in the P5. With the yearly payouts hinted at over $1 billion each for the Big10 and SEC, there’s no way either will be willing to pony up over $2 billion for the games. This whole idea doesn’t work unless you have 32-48 teams in the mix. With Fox and ESPN splitting the main costs, it becomes more manageable. Fox bringing in ESPN and others also lessens the financial burden.

Think of it, the only 2 schools they truly would be fighting over is UNC and ND. The rest can easily be divided into how ever many they want. Put 40-48 schools in the P5 and you have a more interesting grouping than something smaller. My guess is they aren’t going to hold up any deal to break away for UNC (If ND goes anywhere, it will be ACC or Big10).

Let's call it a strategic partnership where each side wants 51%.

Yes, they kinda need to play nice while dividing the spoils of the kill but they both want the prime cuts and not the scraps.

 

[CAtlantic]

college football fan@Genetics56 · 47m
Sharing some other data points from what I was provided..the top 15, in the eyes of the Big Ten, for the most financially stable universities across the country are: MI, OSU, TX, Stanford, UCLA, A&M, FL, PSU, WA, MSU, WI, Duke, MN, USC, Cal

college football fan@Genetics56 · 45m
In the eyes of the Big Ten, the schools they view as financially risky: Missouri, AL, Clemson, Miss, WVU, Kansas State, Baylor, Oregon, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, ARkansas, Miss. State, Oklahoma State, TCU

college football fan@Genetics56 · 40m
In the eyes of the Big Ten, how they view financial sustainability for each Pac school's athletic department (in order from best to worst): Stanford, UCLA, Washington, USC, Cal, Arizona State, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, OSU, WA ST, Oregon. Big Ten measures this against endownments

college football fan@Genetics56 · 29m
Fans can get upset about the data if they want to, but that isn't going to change what the data shows. I have the data. Oregon's AD finances when measured against endowments has them last in the eyes of the Big Ten. If you can't handle the data, then you are free to block

college football fan@Genetics56 · 19m
Yep. FWIW...for Kansas, they are ranked #1 in the Big 12 for financial sustainability in the eyes of the Big Ten. I don't know the rest of the Big 12 rankings though since I don't have that data...only Kansas data for Big 12.

Chilly@ChillyinAz_ · 15m
Replying to @Genetics56
What is the correlation tho, you can’t use endowments for athletics?

college football fan@Genetics56 · 5m
They are looking for health....AD revenue vs expense vs funds that come from the schools vs donations and then against endowments. Stanford scores a 100%.

 

[dayooper]

Let's call it a strategic partnership where each side wants 51%.

Yes, they kinda need to play nice while dividing the spoils of the kill but they both want the prime cuts and not the scraps.

Again, IMO, there only a few schools that are acceptable to both SEC and Big10. ND, UNC and maybe UVA (I don’t see the SEC really wanting UVA unless it’s a requirement for UNC). Otherwise, the schools split up pretty evenly.

 

[CAtlantic]

college football fan@Genetics56 · 32m
The Big Ten TV deal is expected to be anywhere from $1.25B to $1.4B per year. The difference is due to streaming...if it is included or not. If Notre Dame joins the Big Ten and Stanford isn't a partner, then they will not add anyone else until the ACC schools become available.

college football fan@Genetics56 · 33m
The expectation is and nothing is signed, is still 3 networks.

Chris Buchignani@buchignani · 26m
By which you mean Fox, CBS, and NBC, or Disney back in the mix at the expense of one of the latter two?

college football fan@Genetics56 · 22m
ESPN is still in it...so 2 of ESPN, CBS, NBC.

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[Chin Diesel]

Again, IMO, there only a few schools that are acceptable to both SEC and Big10. ND, UNC and maybe UVA (I don’t see the SEC really wanting UVA unless it’s a requirement for UNC). Otherwise, the schools split up pretty evenly.

B1G and SEC will be umbrella organizations for a larger pool of schools. These other schools won't be in the B1G or SeC and won't get money but will form alliances to.fill out the football, basketball and other sports' schedule.

 

[CL82]

If ESPN renegotiates the contract, the damn well better add us.

 

[jostar1]

If ESPN renegotiates the contract, the damn well better add us.

It really galls me to read the Louisville AD say this when no one gave a damn about what happened to UConn:

“I think that they understand that the ACC has to be extremely healthy for college athletics to be successful,” Heird said of ESPN. “And so I think they do feel an obligation to make sure that transpires. Not every decision — it’s hard to believe — is based on the bottom line. At some point, we’re going to need more than the SEC and the Big Ten, 32 teams, to make college athletics viable.”