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This keeps coming around but WVU brings no value to the ACC. Remember they have a network now. That means eyeballs just like Rutgers and Maryland.

The entire population of WV has 1.8M people. The only other area they have some draw is Pittsburgh, which is already in the conference. Of those 1.8M people, there's 736,000 households. West Virginia is also DEAD LAST in population grown since 2010 losing 2.55% of the population.

Look at the competitors . . . CT has 1.3M households, most of which are much more affluent. That doesn't even count NY and surrounding areas, with some ACC presence in NY

Cincy has 850,000 households . . . and their households on average have 40% higher income than WV, and no ACC presence.

It's pretty easy to see that from a financial prospective, both of those schools are much more desirable to the ACC than WVU.

Academics (still an alleged factor) make it even worse. According to USNWR, WVU is 205, UConn is 63, Cincy is 147. All are considered "highest research activity" by Carnegie, but according to dollars WVU ranks 110, UConn is 79 (if you combine medical) and Cincy is 50th. Endowment $556M for WVU, $421M for UConn and $1.1B for Cincy.

ACC isn't losing members thanks to their new network, and at most they'd take in one or two. WVU is not making that cut.
 
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MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 8h8 hours ago
As far as expansion of conferences is concerned, autobids for P5 will shore up and save the Pac12 like it did the BIgEast during the BCS days even if there are multiple defections as long as a strong nucleus is in place with the California and Oregon schools.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 8h8 hours ago
Which means if Pac12 loses 2-4 teams to expansion there will most likely be spots available to some G5 schools for backfill.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 8h8 hours ago
My money would be on BYU and Houston being the two most attractive immediate options.

David C. Moore‏ @CougarCentreSLC 8h8 hours ago
Replying to @MH ver3
I think the original Pac-8 (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Oregon State & Washington State) will stick together. It was UCLA that wanted the Arizona schools back in 1978 while Stanford & Washington didn’t think they were up to league standards.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 7h7 hours ago
Replying to @CougarCentreSLC
I agree.

David C. Moore‏ @CougarCentreSLC 8h8 hours ago
#Colorado began to look at the then #Pac10 as a destination following the acquisition of the #Arizona schools but remained loyal to the #Big8 & then #Big12 when the #Pac10 was a little late to the show back in the mid-late 1990’s.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 8h8 hours ago
Replying to @CougarCentreSLC
I would say if the Az schools split to B12 then there is a chance Colorado comes back as well.

Dave Huck‏ @DaveHuck 7h7 hours ago
Were you saying BYU and Houston to the PAC 12?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 7h7 hours ago
I’m saying IF the B12 pulls away the Az schools then Houston and BYU would be the two most attractive options to replace them in the Pac12.

War Beaver‏ @WarBeavr 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @MH ver3 @DaveHuck @CougarCentreSLC
The Big 12, never at any point, has been able to poach a P5 team from a stable, existing conference. The Big 12 has repeatedly been poached, however. #mizzou #TAMU #CU #Nebraska It's delusion that you guys think you're poaching a team from an existing P5 league.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @WarBeavr @DaveHuck @CougarCentreSLC
The B12 was never in a position of strength financially like they are now. Unequal revenue sharing is what nearly killed them before. I’m not saying the AZ schools will happen for sure-just that there is a LOT of dialogue there and has been for awhile.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @WarBeavr @DaveHuck @CougarCentreSLC
Also, many either forget or just aren’t aware at how close the B12 was to poaching FSU and Clemson before ND screwed it all up.

War Beaver‏ @WarBeavr 5h5 hours ago
It didn't happen. That's the bottom line. You guys all think the Big 12 is going to poach P5 teams, and it's not happening. Nobody wants to come play lapdog to Texas besides the teet suckers already on board.

Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub 8h8 hours ago
Replying to @MH ver3
Arizona and Arizona State aren’t leaving the P12, ever. But...2-4 B12 teams will be part of the P12 by 2025. You can count on that.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 8h8 hours ago
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Oh yes, I’m sure 2-4 B12 teams can’t wait to take a huge pay-cut to play west coast time zone games.

Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub 8h8 hours ago
Replying to @NebGradDubDub @MH ver3
BYU, Houston, UCF, and Cinci would back fill what’s left of the B12

Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub 7h7 hours ago
Replying to @MH ver3
#1 the B12 is being overpaid on an old deal. #2 The B10 or SEC will be stealing teams. #3. Provided OU and Texas could take OSU and Tech to the P12 and create more cash. There is no reason for the B12 to exist past its current TV deal

Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub 7h7 hours ago
Replying to @NebGradDubDub @MH ver3
In other words OU and Texas can’t be paid what they deserve unless they leave in 2025

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 6h6 hours ago
Replying to @[B]NebGradDubDub[/B]
Ok. Come back in 2025 or after we sign our next deal and I will have some crow to feed you.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Jan 4
Multiple institutions in the B12 frowning on Houston. Not for the Dana hire but for the handling of Applewhite and the apparent running of the AD by their billionaire donor. Basically eliminated them from ever being considered.

Andy Olsen‏ @Andysbbqpit 7h7 hours ago
College football is headed to a breakdown. Next round, networks are not going to want Iowa State and WV. They only want to show OU and Texas. OU and Texas will not be wanting to share for long.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 7h7 hours ago
Replying to @Andysbbqpit
Not true at all. In fact early projections are for Big12 tv contracts to increase by a minimum of 25%. These projections come from analysts that make top dollar to know trends and value.



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MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 And for the biggest non-news of the day....

So this is either a ruse to make it seem like BTM is real, because he could have just done business as usual and made stuff up, or BTM is real. Could he be real? Flug has planted a seed of doubt for me.
 
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Looks like Pac 12 Football CCG may follow basketball tournament and be played in Vegas at some time in future.

Vegas, baby? Pac-12 football championship game needs a home
While UNLV has little football history, mediocre academics, and a basketball team that was really good once; the PAC can't ignore the market's growth and a lot of PAC alumni now living there after getting priced out of SF, LA and SD. Sshould the PAC expand again, I would expect UNLV to be involved.
 
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While UNLV has little football history, mediocre academics, and a basketball team that was really good once; the PAC can't ignore the market's growth and a lot of PAC alumni no living there after getting priced out of SF, LA and SD, and should the PAC expand again, I would expect UNLV to be involved.
And it's an easy drive for the So Cal Schools and Arizona schools. Rest of the schools are quick, direct flights. Real cheap to get in and out of Vegas. Depending on your luck and skill, the stay in Vegas can be real cheap or real $$$$$.
 

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While UNLV has little football history, mediocre academics, and a basketball team that was really good once; the PAC can't ignore the market's growth and a lot of PAC alumni now living there after getting priced out of SF, LA and SD. Sshould the PAC expand again, I would expect UNLV to be involved.
they wont. and if they did they wouldnt add unlv in 5000 lifetimes.
 

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While UNLV has little football history, mediocre academics, and a basketball team that was really good once; the PAC can't ignore the market's growth
So? The PAC already owns that market. What does adding UNLV do?

The PAC needs to move eastward so that someone on this side of the Rockies can get their damn network.
 
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Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM gave us all something to think about last night. Here are a few of his thoughts I put down on paper to share with you all today. Following tweets comes from BTM.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: The cost of doing big time collegiate sports is about to go up if you ask the opinion of any of the FBS Conference Commissioners.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: Alston case is about to be decided on and it will challenge the unity of most of the conferences in ways conferences have never been challenged in modern times in Major Collegiate Sports.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: There is consensus with whom I’ve talked with..Judge is leaning, toward plaintiffs in case. Plaintiffs have argued compensation for Student - Athletes should be decided and offered by individual conferences without outside interferences and collusion among the conferences.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: If Judge rules in favor of the plaintiffs (Alston) and if her remedy is giving conferences total autonomy in deciding level & type compensation above current scholarships & benefits...the ramifications will be swift and intense.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: The decision and ability for each conference to offer Student - Athletes a certain level of compensation, in the Post Alston World, will be pushed up against the limits of it lowest financially healthy member.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: Suddenly the University of Texas will care about the financial health of Kansas State. Oklahoma will now want to know what Texas Tech & Iowa State can do for future Student - Athlete compensation levels.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: Another reason why PAC 12 Institutions are willing to give 10% equity to an Investment Firm for short term money payout to each school to help bridge toward next PAC Media negotiations. This short term cash will alleviate compensation issue until next deal..PAC 12 hopes.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: If this Alston case is decided in Plaintiffs favor the effect of the ruling will happen swiftly. Each Conference would have internal debates. Debates on agreeing on compensation and how to police this new reality within each conference will be huge stories going forward.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: The Alston case is also another reason why Rutgers received some upfront money on their future Big Ten Media earnings. The conferences are anticipating the Alston case opening up new costs in all of their respective sponsored sports.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: There is always the possibility the Judge rules against the Plaintiffs or the remedy from the Judge for the Plaintiffs is different than what I’m describing. But if it goes the way I believe it will the debates within each conference will challenge each at its core.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: The strength of each conference would be at the whim of its financially weakest members. This will bring about realignment. It would be almost impossible not to in 2024.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: Big Ten & SEC would find this new reality a challenge, but they both have the resources, flexibility, and culture to shore up their financially lower institutions.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: The implications for the Big 12, a conference which was not built on the foundation of “like minded universities” would be devastating.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: If Alston case is decided in favor of the Plaintiffs the subject of Oklahoma and Texas becoming expansion targets for Big Ten & SEC grows more intense.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: How would ACC decide it’s level of compensation to future Student - Athletes if this is the final ruling? Among those ACC universities? How would they even start the debate?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: The Judges decision will be known soon. The decision will be appealed no matter which way it goes. But if the decision and remedy goes the way I think it will, it will create an earthquake which will go right through the lands of both P5 and G5.
 

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lol the pac12 would sell 10% of their network at the ridiculous inflated valuation they are peddling because the network is essentially worthless
 
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And what would happen if the judge ruled that just compensation is to be determined by the school "employing" that athlete rather than by the conference?

The rich would continue to prosper...and the less financially well off in a conference would continue to be less competitive.
 

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