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And, I believe that there is a value to schools, their alumni and fans, to retain cultural ties and traditional rivalries.

And it is, ultimately, what your athletic department does with those dollars...Sure Indiana and Northwestern make more media money than Clemson...But Clemson does fine with what it has.
This is a great post. I truly believe that traditional rivalries are very important. Yet, who are Texas’ traditional rivalries? Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Texas Tech? Being in the old SWC, most of those schools are small private (Baylor, TCU, SMU, Rice) or a commuter school like Houston. They aren’t playing Texas A&M or Arkansas in anything, so who would they stay for (if Oklahoma was moving with them?

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Sometimes, "moving up", is not moving up...like from FCS to FBS

"Analyses have been done regarding the football success of teams that have reclassified and there have been 28 such
teams from 1978-2016. The results for those, on average, have not been good. The average winning percentage dropped
from 58% in the FCS to 46% in FBS. Similarly, those teams had winning seasons 65.6% of the time in FCS and only 36.5%
of the time in the FBS. With the exceptions of Boise State, Nevada and Appalachian State, the football fortunes of teams
that have reclassified have been fairly poor._
 
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Much of the value of football, for students, fans and alumni, is the pageantry...

The saturday afternoons and evenings in the fall...the bantering between Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, TCU fans....Michigan and Ohio State fans...FSU and Florida and Miami fans...

Sure WVU makes money in the Big 12...but the backyard brawl with Pitt is gone, the heated rivalry with VT is gone...and many of their fans on the boards have not warmed up to a rivalry with Iowa State.
 
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True that Texan's lost a huge rivalry in Texas vs the Aggies...

Of course Oklahoma is important as a rivalry...but football is also about folks, in offices, working together who banter about the program.

I married into a Texan family and still must trek back every so often to pay my marriage tax. They miss the Aggies but still manage to hate them and, now, the whole SEC.

But, there is a transfer of sorts...from 2010, Texas has been losing to Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma State and was 35-36 in conference. Office banter in San Antone has heated up,

When the mighty fall, the hyenas gather...and the wounded Longhorn thrashes out and stomps and snorts.

If I mention to all of my in-laws that, should Texas lose to Georgia, the top four Big 12 teams will have lost their bowl game...well, it would not be pretty...and I ain't THAT stupid.
 
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GREG SW AIM SHOW‏ @GSw aim 31 Dec 2018
Spoke to media member, who's very good at what's going on with the #Big12, and said the odds of losing either the #Sooners or #UT increasing. And whether you like either of those schools, losing either one would basically end this conference, and losing both certainly would

Kyle Lewis‏ @determined_dad 31 Dec 2018
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How soon do they see something like that happening?

Kekoa ‏ @kekoa2347 4h4 hours ago
Good! This conference has been a joke since Nebraska left

GREG SW AIM SHOW‏ @GSw aim 5h5 hours ago
GREG SW AIM SHOW Retweeted Kyle Lewis

The new conference tv deals are up in 3 years, so talks already going on behind the scenes. Keeping our ears close to the ground.

Tyger Walters‏ @jacksontyge 5h5 hours ago
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Do you think Texas and OU are Big Ten bound?

Seanbo Sengo‏ @SeanboSengo 4h4 hours ago
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Greg, what's your feeling? OU/Tex to B1G OU/Tex to SEC Or do they split Tex to B1G, OU to SEC OU to B1G, Tex to Independent

WVU and Reds‏ @DavidMoore_WV 5h5 hours ago
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Not sure if u have any insight into WVU, but where do u think we will end up?

GREG SW AIM SHOW‏ @GSw aim 5h5 hours ago
GREG SW AIM SHOW Retweeted Tyger Walters

With Boren's departure, Oklahoma is not AAU accredited, and #B1G folks assure me that's a deal breaker. Texas is AAU, and will have offers from everyone once LHN ends.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 31 Dec 2018
Greg Flugaur Retweeted GREG SW AIM SHOW

https://mobile.twitter.com/GS/status/1079883694821785601 … Well....they are being targeted by 2 of the most valued P5 conferences with backing from their large Media partners. So yes..this tweet is accurate.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
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Michigan State was not AAU when it entered into the Big Ten. What’s more important than a private club status...is that the university has a certain level of research expenditures. Oklahoma is equal with Nebraska in regards to this metric. B1G is targeting OU.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 4h4 hours ago
And Nebraska was under review 4 years before entering the Big Ten and losing its membership while 2 Big Ten member schools voted against them retaining AAU membership. They were still unanimously added as the 12th school.

Seanbo Sengo‏ @SeanboSengo 4h4 hours ago
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Greg, if OU's AAU status is a dealbreaker for the B1G, could Texas's clout get OU a waiver into the B1G. That's if Texas wants OU as a conference mate.

e0ppok‏ @e0ppok 4h4 hours ago
Wouldn't Texas (or Oklahoma) have to want to join 1st..? As is, UT (& OU)would be over 1,000+/ (800+) miles from all away games in division & lose all regional foes (even Kansas)... B1G $51m/ vs UT $52m (OU $47m), almost same pay annually...

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Of course. Oklahoma will have options. Travel is a component to all of this, you are correct. But Big 12 Tier 1 & 2 Media Contract component of OU & UT Conference Payouts will not keep up with Big Ten or SEC in next go around. Will see if gap is large enough to shake the tree.
 
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1...the LHN expires in 2031

2..."B. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Section 2, in the event that UT determines during the Term, to become a member of an athletics conference other than the Big 12 Conference or not to participate in any athletics conference, UT agrees to continue to grant and provide or to cause IMG to continue to grant and provide) to ESPN the Television Rights set forth in this Agreement "

Full LHN contract here:

 
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Gregory D. M. K.‏ @GregGregoryKJ 20h20 hours ago
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I have read that OU is legally tied to Oklahoma State. Do you know about that?

GREG SW AIM SHOW‏ @GSw aim 5h5 hours ago
GREG SW AIM SHOW Retweeted Gregory D. M. K.

There's nothing official, although many in the state legislature do feel the two should be together in the same conference. OU is going to do what's best for them.

a p dubya‏ @AP_Dubya 4h4 hours ago
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Don’t know why OU and UT are so eager to jump. Who has really come out ahead from realignment? Guess you could say A&M and Rutgers.

GREG SW AIM SHOW‏ @GSw aim 3h3 hours ago
GREG SW AIM SHOW Retweeted a p dubya

Texas going to lose LHN, and will need in a conference with a TV channel. #Big12 let OU and Texas do 3rd tier rights, but more money comes from a conference package

GREG SW AIM SHOW‏ @GSw aim 2h2 hours ago
#UCF clearly belongs in a P5. #Big12 are you paying attention?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
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There is not going to be any type of merger between PAC & Big 12. Most of the Big 12 schools do not fit the model of what PAC Presidents would find acceptable. Like-Mindedness is important component with conferences trying to grow value in their future.

e0ppok‏ @e0ppok 4h4 hours ago
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PAC is not in position of power, it would be the XII poaching; not the other way around... The conference reforms similar to Big8/SWC merger in 1996... Oklahoma/Kansas stay in new league, Texas has shown an affinity for PAC schools as: USC/UCLA/California/Stanford/Washington...
 
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e0ppok‏ @e0ppok 13h13 hours ago
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What remedies do you see the Great Lakes region enacting to stem the tide of migration to south (ACC/SEC) & west (XII/PAC) regions..? As this is a recruiting issue for Oklahoma, for example... Especially if UT looks at moving to SEC or in group to PAC w/o OU...

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 13h13 hours ago
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I don’t see anything stopping the migration. But Big Ten alumni and fans bring their fandom with them to wherever they live. It’s why you see Big Ten Fan clubs in Denver to Atlanta.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 13h13 hours ago
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As for Texas, they are not moving to SEC nor PAC. They pretty much have 3 options. 1) Stay in Big 12 2) Create relationship with ACC similar to ND’s 3) Move to Big Ten. Texas’s #1 wish is to stay in Big 12. It’s also Disney’s #1 choice.

e0ppok‏ @e0ppok 13h13 hours ago
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Speaking hypothetically, if Oklahoma were to leave XII: I don't see UT looking a solo act in ACC, most UT fans seem "uninspired" at thought/ SEC "following" A&M is last choice, but better than staying in XII w/o OU, & 6 year gap in GoR's & LHN isn't worth losing last rival...

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 13h13 hours ago
The Faculty and Boosters of Texas, the people living in Austin, has zero desire for their University to have a front porch decorated with SEC. But there is also no doubt SEC is targeting Oklahoma. SEC will have its say in what transpires in 2024, 2025 in P5 Realignment.
 
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MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 58m58 minutes ago
Latest expansion tidbits I have recieved to follow. It’s not much but I’d imagine it’ll pick up in a week or so.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 57m57 minutes ago
Multiple institutions in the B12 frowning on Houston. Not for the Dana hire but for the handling of Applewhite and the apparent running of the AD by their billionaire donor. Basically eliminated them from ever being considered.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 56m56 minutes ago
Communications still open with Arizona schools as they have been for a long time. Sulking has become a huge cheer leader for getting the move made in the future.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 55m55 minutes ago
Playoff expansion is going to be a key topic this winter/spring as AAC/UCF threat of lawsuit and B10 striking out has moved it into the limelight.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 54m54 minutes ago
Auto bids to P5 could keep Pac12 alive even if B12 poached some. Pac12 has some options for backfill. But Pac12 in the most danger of falling ridiculously behind in tv money next go round regardless.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 54m54 minutes ago
Pac12 forecasted by some to actually LOSE tv revenue in the next round.

Doug‏ @snoopdoug44 56m56 minutes ago
They will. Arizona Schools, UCLA and USC should join the Big12 and form a new network.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 55m55 minutes ago
I’d take that. But I don’t think B12 has a shot at any Cali schools. I’m a worst case scenario for P12 those schools go B1G

Doug‏ @snoopdoug44 44m44 minutes ago
Yeah who knows man but it’s a disaster right now

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 43m43 minutes ago
It’s gonna get worse when the network folds and they get to negotiations on their next tv deal. Playoff expansion will kill the Rose Bowl too.

Doug‏ @snoopdoug44 16m16 minutes ago
When do you see playoff expansion happening and do you approve?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 14m14 minutes ago
I think it happens this summer but won’t implemented until the following year. And yes I’m an advocate. Autobids for P5 and highest ranked G5 and 2 at large.

coog57™‏ @coog57 49m49 minutes ago
Big 12 presidents can go pound sand after wasting everyone's time and resources during their expansion sham. We don't care how they feel. We're all about positioning UH for a P5 future and have remained in contact with the other leagues.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 47m47 minutes ago
And you might still have s future in the P12 when they need to backfill. Houston is an attractive market and you guys have been a solid program. You’ll never get a fair shake in B12 anyway-trust me, we don’t.

Robbie Jay‏ @Robbiejay84 56m56 minutes ago
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Expansion is a pure business move. What would this have anything to do with it? Who cares if you’re likable or not

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 51m51 minutes ago
It’s not about being likeable it’s about institutional control.

David Browning‏ @WVBigDave1 57m57 minutes ago
@MH ver3 Question Do you see #WVU wanting to stay in the big 12 or want to leave when they can.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 56m56 minutes ago
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WVU has long kept channels alive with ACC and SEC. I’d imagine WVU will be ACC ten years from now. We have enough votes now since the majority of the conference is former BIgEast and longtime partners/rivals.
 
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It would take four "no" or abstaining votes to block any addition to the ACC.

I could see a coalition of UNC, Duke, Wake, Virginia against a WVU addition....and who knows if Pitt wants a recruiting rival 50 miles away.

West Virginia is a small state with a territory lapped 50 miles to the north by Pitt and 50 miles to the east by Virginia and 50 miles to the south by VT.
 

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His mom's basement must be quite large.
"Christopher, can I throw out these piles of papers?

"NO MOM! That's my internet research"

"Uh, Chrissy, if it's on the computer, do really need to print out and stack it up against the wall?

"MOOOOOTHER, you just don't understand!!"

"Uh, Christopher? How's your resume coming along....."

"I'M WORKING ON IT MA!!"
 

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Should the B1G raid the ACC for UVA and if the XII was ripped apart in the future, I can see WVU going to the ACC. After all, the ACC took Louisville.
There are quite a few moving parts there, and given the recent goings on in Northern Kentucky, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the ACC has a bit of buyer's remorse on UL.
 

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