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Greg Flugaur @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @RedDirtSport
Oklahoma has made it clear. OU wants to have their 3rd Tier content bundled with Conference mates to monetize its value to its highest level $ + Exposure. But OU is not interest in bundling their 3rd Tier content in Big 12 without UT’s content included. Nothing has changed.
RedDirtSport @RedDirtSport 2h2 hours ago
I'd say the others bundling together is a nice canary in the coal mine tho
RedDirtSport @RedDirtSport 2h2 hours ago
Thats good for them
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
You are correct. The other 8 were able to get away from their individual 3T rights (which the value of these rights were always overplayed) and have their content bundled to maximize their value. The other 8 will spend $ on production with ESPN+ which is not out of the norm.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
For those of you who were unaware Fox had the right to buy back any T3 football game for the Big 12. The deal with ESPN+ ends that relationship.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Two major points. 1) Thank God for the 8 Big 12 schools they were able to ditch, in time, their individual 3T rights which were low on exposure and overplayed on $. 2) Oklahoma has no interest in bundling their 3T content with ESPN+/Big 12 without UT inclusion.
Dennis DoddVerified account @dennisdoddcbs 1h1 hour ago
Dennis Dodd Retweeted Ralph D. Russo
This is repurposing the one fb game each school controls. Having them on ESPN+ makes it a quasi network partner IMO. Texas (LHN) and Oklahoma (FSSW) already have own networks (de facto for OU).
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @dennisdoddcbs
But Oklahoma’s current contract with FSSW is up very soon yet they did not want to roll their 3T content into ESPN+ with the other 8. This is the story.
OU and UT To B1G @Genetics56 1h1 hour ago
Yep, that's the story on this.
Ringneck85 @Ringneck85 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @flugempire @dennisdoddcbs
I think you're reading too much into that. OU has an obligation to keep that football game on FSSW. KU for example owns its own network and that makes it easy to move to ESPN+.
RedDirtSport @RedDirtSport 1h1 hour ago
RedDirtSport Retweeted William Horsley
Bad news fren. OU is taking a portion of this pie and still getting your 50 bucks
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @RedDirtSport
Oklahoma, according to this agreement, won’t be playing any home games on ESPN+. ESPN+ is not the home of Oklahoma’s 3rd Tier content.
RedDirtSport @RedDirtSport 1h1 hour ago
Exactly. OU Tier 3 home isnt bound with this
OU and UT To B1G @Genetics56 1h1 hour ago
It simply means UT is sticking with the LHN (no shocker here) and OU is keeping their relationship with FOX. FOX will depart from the Big 12. Otherwise they would have just signed the deal with ESPN+. 8 Big 12 schools join AAC eventually.
OU and UT To B1G @Genetics56 1h1 hour ago
I meant OU department from Big 12, not FOX. FOX will keep Big 12 Tier 1&2 rights for football.
RedDirtSport @RedDirtSport 1h1 hour ago
RedDirtSport Retweeted William Horsley
Away games will be, I promise you now like 95% of OU's softball season will be viewable now
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @RedDirtSport
So how much is the other 8 getting in this contract with ESPN+ (minus production costs) without being able to include UT & OU 3rd Tier content?
RedDirtSport @RedDirtSport 1h1 hour ago
My reading of it - Its a 40 million per year deal for 5 years. So 3-4 million per school
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 56m56 minutes ago
Yes, I just read that myself. Minus the production costs which the 8 will have to pay ESPN+. Decent deal for the other 8. But Oklahoma rejecting ESPN and keeping its relationship with FOX is the biggest story for the future coming out of all of this.
BucsHawks @BucsHawk 17m17 minutes ago
If true that is a pay cut for KU. I would have to find the article but under KUs agreement with ESPN, for ESPN+ 1 FB game, 6 bball games and all non revenue was between 7-8 mil and that ESPN was absorbing almost all the production cost because they were getting so much content.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 41m41 minutes ago
Significance of the new Big 12 deal with ESPN+ are 2 fold.
1) The other 8 increased exposure for many of their 3T content.
2) Oklahoma rejected Disney in rolling their future 3T content with ESPN+ after current 3T deal with FSSW is finished...keeps relationship with FOX.
Original Thi @FL_Hawk25 17m17 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire
I don’t see how this is good at all for KU. Everything was already on ESPN+
Ringneck85 @Ringneck85 33m33 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire
The Jayhawk Network which was being produced by ESPN and already distributed on ESPN+. They had 6 bball games (2 exhibition and 4 non con) that were broadcast locally so those are now moving solely to ESPN+. Easy move. If content was being produced by Fox it's a different story.
Ringneck85 @Ringneck85 36m36 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire
The OU content was being produced by Fox Sports, the other 8 schools content was being produced by ESPN or internally. I think you're reading too much into this.
BucsHawks @BucsHawk 10m10 minutes ago
Exactly, looking at the price tag it looks like KU is getting the same deal they already had but for less money.
Ringneck85 @Ringneck85 8m8 minutes ago
Replying to @BucsHawk @flugempire
I doubt they took less money.
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Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
Big 12 & ESPN take the first step to oust Fox. DAZN will join partnership & broadcast content post 2025.
VB02Danger @VB02Danger 5h5 hours ago
How does that work with the current Tier 3 deal? Is this more revenue for WVU?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @VB02Danger
Yes. ESPN purchased the 1 football game awarded B12 schools not Texas and a few of the 4 basketball games as part of the TV deal. Plus giveaway non-revenue sports.
VB02Danger @VB02Danger 4h4 hours ago
So those are the games not already in WVU Tier 3?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
I don't follow... TV games as part of the T3 package were 1 football game and up to 4 basketball games for each school except UT received 2 football games. IMG paid WVU for the T3 games but Fox had the right to buy the 1 football game.
VB02Danger @VB02Danger 4h4 hours ago
Thanks. I think I understand now. I know some Big12 schools had better Tier 3 deals than others.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Texas, OU, WVU in that order. The price for the football games was set in the OTA contract. This deal gives Big 12 just a bit more.
Chuck CarltonVerified account @ChuckCarltonDMN 5h5 hours ago
Chuck Carlton Retweeted John Ourand
Official announcement expected this morning. Price tag is $40 million for the additional football championship games and ESPN+ on top of the current deal that runs $2024-25.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @ChuckCarltonDMN
Important to note that money is additional to ESPN's share. Combined payout from ESPN/Fox for Big 12 rights is over $22M. ESPN is also buying rights to the single T3 football game awarded to Big 12 schools other than Texas with OU's excepted.
LAT @letsgomtnrs 5h5 hours ago
So... Did WVU but out IMG for these rights or is the contact ended??
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
No, contract is concurrent with Big 12 deal. Technically IMG owns the rights to the T3 content but resales them. WVU gets a portion of that plus what IMG pays as part of their contract.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
The Big 12 has its network. DAZN joins the party in 2025. Expansion is now alive and well again for the Big 12.
Craig Amick @camick27 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Big 12 minus Oklahoma
Nicholas Holman @hjnick01 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
How much is the Big XII getting $$$ for this? Is it going to only be divided between the ‘other 8 schools’???
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
All are participating. OU's ONE football game will not be on ESPN+ but a few basketball games will.
Nicholas Holman @hjnick01 2h2 hours ago
Ok, sorry for my dense-ness, but is this deal ‘in addition’ to the current T3 deals each school has or is this deal ‘replacing’ the current T3 deals each individual school created for themselves?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
It only concerns TV... Each Big 12 school had rights to 1 football game and 4 basketball games.
Nicholas Holman @hjnick01 2h2 hours ago
22 million a year for 8 football games and 32 basketball games doesnt sound lime much of a deal... or am i missing something?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
For those of you who were unaware Fox had the right to buy back any T3 football game for the Big 12. The deal with ESPN+ ends that relationship.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Two major points.
1) Thank God for the 8 Big 12 schools they were able to ditch, in time, their individual 3T rights which were low on exposure and overplayed on $.
2) Oklahoma has no interest in bundling their 3T content with ESPN+/Big 12 without UT inclusion.
Barrett Johnson @bjohnson32806 3h3 hours ago
That’s the story, Oklahoma and TX keep one foot out the door.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
Wrong. Can't you read?
Allen Kenney @BlatantHomerism 5h5 hours ago
This new deal between the big 12 and ESPN feels kind of important to conference’s future
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @BlatantHomerism
Just the first step. DAZN is willing to step in for rights 2025 and beyond. DAZN and ESPN are in a partnership.
mattdubya @mattdubya 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @BlatantHomerism
good to see the dude is back with flat out made up . LOL
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Really? Go back and read... educate they self.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Those of you who follow me for expansion know I was discussing the Big 12-Fox freeze and the likelihood of a deal with ESPN and a defacto online Big 12 network for months.
Craig Amick @camick27 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Big news is that OU isn’t a part of this deal...
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Not really... OU doesn't have a buyback provision. They are participating with everything else.
Ralph D. RussoVerified account @ralphDrussoAP 5h5 hours ago
Interesting piece of the new Big 12/ESPN deal. Includes one football game per school per year exclusively on ESPN+, starting in 2020, except for Texas (LHN) and Oklahoma.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @ralphDrussoAP
Fox previously had the right of first refusal for Big 12 T3 football games for everyone except Texas, Oklahoma and WVU. Texas has LHN, Oklahoma does a locally produced game they also offer for pay-per-view and IMG owned WVU's single T3 football game. Texas had 2 T3 games for LHN.
BucsHawks @BucsHawk 4h4 hours ago
You forgot Kansas, their agreement was never with FOX. The one football game they controlled was already on ESPN+.
Mark Ennis @MarkEnnis
If I’m understanding the expanded Big 12 rights announcement, ESPN and ESPN+ are creating a sort of backdoor Big 12 Network for the non-Texas/Oklahoma teams.
Ralph D. RussoVerified account @ralphDrussoAP 4h4 hours ago
Ralph D. Russo Retweeted Mark Ennis
Yes. Kind of like the AAC touting its deal with ESPN plus as a digital network.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @ralphDrussoAP
Please note the Big 12 deal with ESPN+ is just T3 content that Fox previously held the option on televising. The price for those T3 games are set in the OTA deal. The real money is for the CCG OTA broadcast. Keep it in perspective.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @ralphDrussoAP
If you want to make a comparison its more like the ACC's digital network.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
The deal with ESPN+ is the first step. More changes coming. Possible expansion or relationship with the Pac 12 is the next step.
Nicholas Holman @hjnick01 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Every time you say possible expansion with the PAC-12, I get very nervous... I do not want to merge with all of the PAC! Too many teams that don’t pull their weight. Only want teams that will improve the Big XII, drop the rest. Plus west coast time sucks badly!
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
I agree on the time zone.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
$22M for 6 years = $132M in new money for the Big 12.
Bryan Shaw @BGoGolf 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Did any other conferences lock down additional revenues with similar deals?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Yea... with a conference network.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
So far only one outlet (Saturday Down South) has truly understood the significance of the Big 12's new deal with ESPN+. Think about it folks...
Michael Clark @mchclark 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
What article are you referring to from SDS? I looked and didn't see this news anywhere in there sure.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 4h4 hours ago
So for years, the Big 12 schools were able to work their own Tier 3 rights individually, and find the deal that was best for them. For WVU, that often meant a deal with AT&T Pittsburgh. But now, the non-Texas/OU B12 schools are clumping their T3 with ESPN+? Not sure I like this.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @HoneyRoyPalmer
You should... ESPN is paying more than Root Sports did... it means $2.2M more for WVU each year.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 4h4 hours ago
Adam Retweeted Adam
To me, this just makes the Big 12’s T3 right’s look like that of every other P5 league, only..... 1) The Big 12 doesn’t have their own network. 2) We’re excluding our two most profitable schools from the deal. Just don’t really see how any of this is a good thing.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @HoneyRoyPalmer
It is... It's the start... consider it the cornerstone for the future of the Big 12. It's $132M in new money. UT and OU are participating as much as they can contractually.
WVU_Forever @forever_wvu 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @HoneyRoyPalmer
We saw this movie before with unequal revenue sharing. A conference needs to be ALL in.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @HoneyRoyPalmer
Adam, if you are a fan of the Big 12 this deal is great news.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 4h4 hours ag
Replying to @theDudeofWV
If push ever comes to shove, with anything expansion related, I fully expect ESPN to back the ACC, SEC, or Big 10 over the Big 12.
We’ll see how this goes, but for now, count me as being a little skeptical.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Lot's of misunderstanding about the Big 12's deal.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
1. The T3 games handed to ESPN+ are the same games that Fox had the rights to prior. If Fox passed then the schools could sell the games. Most appeared on FS1. WVU's was also on a regional Fox Network... Root.. then AT&T.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
2. Texas and OU's football T3 games will not be on ESPN+ because of existing contracts. Basketball will be... olympic sports will be for OU.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
I see nothing in any press releases that shows any OU home games in any sport being added to ESPN+.
8 Big 12 schools will provide over 50 events a year on ESPN+.
OU is not involved. OU road games will appear of course..but no rights that they own will show up on ESPN+.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
Looks like things are being set up for a couple of teams to exit. Keep in mind KU already had a tier 3 contract with ESPN
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
Not even close... UT has a contract with LHN. OU has a regional contract. OU basketball will be on ESPN+ as well as olympic sports.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @flugempire
The arrangement will allow for live game broadcasts of Oklahoma men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, softball and Olympic sports as well as pregame and postgame shows for football games, FB coach Bob Stoops’ weekly television show and coverage of the annual spring FB game.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
This arrangement is the sooner sports tv contract with fox. Not ESPN +
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Yep.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @flugempire
Football games are not part of sooner sports TV
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
OU produces one football game per year they receive back from the Big 12's OTA contract. Only 1 game per year is possible for this new deal per school. UT and OU's game - thru 2024 - are contractually obligated.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub
Where does it say any of Oklahoma’s home games will be on ESPN+? ESPN own release spells it out. 8 schools providing over 50 live events a year each..school’s providing production. Oklahoma is not in this deal.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
3. WVU is not losing money. They are adding... WVU's T3 football game never passed to IMG because Fox opted to show it on Root/ATT. 90% certain of that...
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
4. This is limited content. Basically ESPN is paying for the CCG and taking over from Fox as distributor for T3 games. The $ for those games is set in the OTA contract.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
5. this is the first move of the Big 12 going all in with ESPN. Fox will not likely be part of the TV's next TV contract. There will be significantly more money for the conference and a Big 12 network. Most likely expansion and worldwide distribution on an outlet like DAZN.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
6. Don't get upset about the basketball games. The T3 games didn't really make money anyway.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
Look guys... for schools not UT, OU or WVU the new contract is a boon. It's a push for WVU in terms of TV money for its football game but the money for the CCG makes up for the push.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Do I have this right? ACC T3: ACCN Big 10 T3: BTN SEC T3: SECN Big 12 T3: ESPN+
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 54m54 minutes ago
Yes. BUT... ACCN started out as ACC Digital. Nobody cared. Big 12 cannot have its own conf network because of LHN. A Big 12 branded ESPN+ is the next best thing. WVU brokered this deal.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 15m15 minutes ago
I get that we can’t have a Big 12 Network as long as LHN exists. But for the most part, the common fan around the country doesn’t know that and doesn’t care. All they’ll see is that games from other leagues are easily accessible on TV, while the B12 is behind an online paywall.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
Well, $132M is better than 0.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 3m3 minutes ago
(And under the old T3 system, WVU and every other B12 school was doing way better than 0. It may not have been 132M collectively, but WVU had a nice T3 setup.)
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Actually, KU is going to be getting less money than their Tier 3 rights currently pay them, so I guess they are giving up $$$ for the good of the conference similar to WVU and OU to some extent. UT, I assume, will be worked in when LHN expires in 2021.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
It's a base number and the money for the CCG will go up. But what you mean is that KU may make less on four basketball games but more than double their money on the one football game.
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 1h1 hour ago
I'm just comparing $22M bump from ESPN per year against ~$10M per year KU is currently making on Tier 3. That math doesn't look that good for KU.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 55m55 minutes ago
Apples to oranges... a T3 deal includes more than 1 T3 football game and at least 4 basketball games.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 19m19 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Meh. I’m not a fan of anything that gives the perception that the other leagues have a better setup than the B12. I’m not as concerned about the money that this ESPN+ deal gives the Big 12 as I am about the perception.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 16m16 minutes ago
Well, if a conference network is impossible because of LHN the perception should be the Big 12 finally came together and made a move that improves their relationship with ESPN and put $132M of new money (base minimum) in their pockets. How can that be perceived badly?
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 12m12 minutes ago
That might look good today, while everyone is reading the articles. But by the time these games are actually on TV or online, few people will remember or care at that point, I’m afraid.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
The most important takeaway from the Big 12's deal with ESPN is that ESPN and the Big 12 are all in with each other. This deal is a precursor to a much larger deal that will but the Big 12 on par with the B1G, SEC and ACC.
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Even with the ACCN, the B12 is going to be closer to SEC/B10 money than ACC will be. You have to wonder if this spells the beginning of real talks with ASU/AZ or even BYU/CIN again. P12 is sinking...badly. Now would be a good time to make that move for the B12, in my opinion.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
No G5 schools... BYU is not considered a G5 school.
Travis E 〽️bacher @TEmbacher 52m52 minutes ago
This may be a stupid question, but since we’re going all in with ESPN, how does this impact future expansion?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 52m52 minutes ago
Replying to @TEmbacher
Well, let me answer with this... the Big 12 accepted ESPN's offer while the Pac 12 turned it down? Poaching is very difficult but the Big 12 going all in with ESPN makes it easier.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 51m51 minutes ago
Just for context... The Big 12 was the only P5 conference with T3 content available for ESPN+. Because LHN made a Big 12 network impossible this deal is the next best thing.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 48m48 minutes ago
WVU is pushing to local media how much the deal with ESPN+ enhances the conferences bargaining power for the next OTA contract.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 36m36 minutes ago
It doesn’t when FOX is all out on the content. ESPN is bidding against itself. ESPN wanted to lock up the digital content like they did with the AAC. This likely means that the league won’t be constructed in the same fashion the next time. It’s a bone to keep most of the teams
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 34m34 minutes ago
Replying to @NebGradDubDub
Doug, WVU is making a point to local media about what the deal really means. They wouldn't go out of their way to stress the next OTA contract and that Texas and OU are part of this.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 35m35 minutes ago
Replying to @NebGradDubDub
They didn't lock up content. They added on to the current contract and purchased T3 content. OU and Texas were a big part of the decision on this lead by WVU's Gee. It solidifies the Big 12's position with ESPN.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 22m22 minutes ago
Why was Oklahoma part of this decision? They are not participating at all in this deal.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 46m46 minutes ago
Even more context... The Mormon church's recent decision on gay marriage improves BYU's position with the Big 12. ESPN would love to see BYU in the Big 12.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 46m46 minutes ago
Personally I would consider BYU as the prime candidate to replace WVU in the Big 12 if the Mountaineers can manage a move to the ACC.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 40m40 minutes ago
Replying to @TEmbacher
Serious answer. I really don't expect Fox to be part of the Big 12's next TV deal. So who partners with ESPN. My money is on John Skipper's new company, funded by an oligarch, DAZN. DAZN is going to pay super premium money for the only P5 conference with content available.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 39m39 minutes ago
Replying to @TEmbacher
If DAZN bites then expansion is almost a given because ESPN will get the first choice of inventory and DAZN will want more than KU football games for the money they will bring to the table. The Pac 12's decision to turn down ESPN in favor of an investor was just plain crazy.
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 39m39 minutes ago
If WVU stays put (my opinion), who, other than BYU, makes sense. How about a list of 4 in most likely order?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 37m37 minutes ago
Replying to @TheTaterman
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Colorado. ESPN might be more open to G5 schools than Fox but not those in ACC or SEC territory. WVU will not accept Cincy. So who's left? UConn is not an option. UCF would be except they would compete both with SEC and ACC in Florida.
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 22m22 minutes ago
Aside from the financial issue with Cincy, what is WVU's beef with them? Recruiting territory?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 21m21 minutes ago
WVU does not want to elevate a G5 program to P5 status who is that close regionally.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 34m34 minutes ago
You have to strain to spin the Big 12's add-on deal with ESPN as a negative.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 33m33 minutes ago
It's a good day for the Big 12. So stop looking for portends of doom in the silver clouds.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 8m8 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Nebraska and Ohio State have massive deals with IMG. Those numbers are never shown. Nebraska is 8.4 million a year.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3m3 minutes ago
Apples to pineapples
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 12m12 minutes ago
Replying to @NebGradDubDub @theDudeofWV
We all have 3T money coming from outside our TV only with BTN. It’s why BTN is so incredibly valuable because it gives us exposure + 9 mil for TV only for 3T content.
#Retire5 @wbgv1863 4h4 hours ago
So this new tv deal is basically saying there’s a new Big 12 network, expect its for non-OU/TX fans, correct?@theDudeofWV
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
No. The deal with ESPN putting T3 games on ESPN includes UT & OU just not for their T3 football game because its already contractually obligated.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 11m11 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @wbgv1863
Not true Dude. No OU home games, ganes they maintain 3T rights, will be put on ESPN+.
Where are you getting your info Chris?
e0ppok @e0ppok 8m8 minutes ago
Road games, I would assume is the meaning..? As Oklahoma, & Texas, will now appear on all XII road games/ LHN is no longer an issue for UT on road games... By the way ESPN currently owns that FS-Oklahoma branded network, not FOX, I believe...
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 4m4 minutes ago
It’s not like Oklahoma owns right to their road games. Oklahoma owns their 3T rights to their home games in all of their Olympic sports, 3T content (FB/BB)
Oklahoma is not giving up their 3rd Tier content which they own the rights to toward ESPN+.
None of it.
e0ppok @e0ppok 15m15 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire @theDudeofWV @wbgv1863
The wording on your end: "They are not participating at all in this deal." Which literally, the Sooners are, now a team that is not participating at all - would be an ol' XII member, Nebraska @ $51m. from B1G.... Oklahoma expects $50m./ Texas $56m. this year...
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 10m10 minutes ago
Oklahoma is not participating in this deal. Just like they never participated in Kansas 3T deal with ESPN when they would show up as an opponent on Kansas Jayhawk’s Softball field.
e0ppok @e0ppok 7m7 minutes ago
That in itself, is participating on a fellow conference-mate & XII's 3rd tier deal, as noted, Oklahoma will incur a revenue gain from news of today, just as Notre Dame does on all road ACC games...
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 8m8 minutes ago
This Big 12 deal with ESPN+ does not include Texas or Oklahoma giving any of there 3T content they own to ESPN+.
OU & UT are not producing any content being delivered on ESPN+ Unlike other 8 B12 Schls.
There is nothing confusing about this...this is as clean cut as can be.
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Big 12 & ESPN take the first step to oust Fox. DAZN will join partnership & broadcast content post 2025.
VB02Danger @VB02Danger 5h5 hours ago
How does that work with the current Tier 3 deal? Is this more revenue for WVU?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @VB02Danger
Yes. ESPN purchased the 1 football game awarded B12 schools not Texas and a few of the 4 basketball games as part of the TV deal. Plus giveaway non-revenue sports.
VB02Danger @VB02Danger 4h4 hours ago
So those are the games not already in WVU Tier 3?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
I don't follow... TV games as part of the T3 package were 1 football game and up to 4 basketball games for each school except UT received 2 football games. IMG paid WVU for the T3 games but Fox had the right to buy the 1 football game.
VB02Danger @VB02Danger 4h4 hours ago
Thanks. I think I understand now. I know some Big12 schools had better Tier 3 deals than others.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Texas, OU, WVU in that order. The price for the football games was set in the OTA contract. This deal gives Big 12 just a bit more.
Chuck CarltonVerified account @ChuckCarltonDMN 5h5 hours ago
Chuck Carlton Retweeted John Ourand
Official announcement expected this morning. Price tag is $40 million for the additional football championship games and ESPN+ on top of the current deal that runs $2024-25.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @ChuckCarltonDMN
Important to note that money is additional to ESPN's share. Combined payout from ESPN/Fox for Big 12 rights is over $22M. ESPN is also buying rights to the single T3 football game awarded to Big 12 schools other than Texas with OU's excepted.
LAT @letsgomtnrs 5h5 hours ago
So... Did WVU but out IMG for these rights or is the contact ended??
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
No, contract is concurrent with Big 12 deal. Technically IMG owns the rights to the T3 content but resales them. WVU gets a portion of that plus what IMG pays as part of their contract.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
The Big 12 has its network. DAZN joins the party in 2025. Expansion is now alive and well again for the Big 12.
Craig Amick @camick27 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Big 12 minus Oklahoma
Nicholas Holman @hjnick01 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
How much is the Big XII getting $$$ for this? Is it going to only be divided between the ‘other 8 schools’???
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
All are participating. OU's ONE football game will not be on ESPN+ but a few basketball games will.
Nicholas Holman @hjnick01 2h2 hours ago
Ok, sorry for my dense-ness, but is this deal ‘in addition’ to the current T3 deals each school has or is this deal ‘replacing’ the current T3 deals each individual school created for themselves?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
It only concerns TV... Each Big 12 school had rights to 1 football game and 4 basketball games.
Nicholas Holman @hjnick01 2h2 hours ago
22 million a year for 8 football games and 32 basketball games doesnt sound lime much of a deal... or am i missing something?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
For those of you who were unaware Fox had the right to buy back any T3 football game for the Big 12. The deal with ESPN+ ends that relationship.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Two major points.
1) Thank God for the 8 Big 12 schools they were able to ditch, in time, their individual 3T rights which were low on exposure and overplayed on $.
2) Oklahoma has no interest in bundling their 3T content with ESPN+/Big 12 without UT inclusion.
Barrett Johnson @bjohnson32806 3h3 hours ago
That’s the story, Oklahoma and TX keep one foot out the door.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
Wrong. Can't you read?
Allen Kenney @BlatantHomerism 5h5 hours ago
This new deal between the big 12 and ESPN feels kind of important to conference’s future
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @BlatantHomerism
Just the first step. DAZN is willing to step in for rights 2025 and beyond. DAZN and ESPN are in a partnership.
mattdubya @mattdubya 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @BlatantHomerism
good to see the dude is back with flat out made up . LOL
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Really? Go back and read... educate they self.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Those of you who follow me for expansion know I was discussing the Big 12-Fox freeze and the likelihood of a deal with ESPN and a defacto online Big 12 network for months.
Craig Amick @camick27 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Big news is that OU isn’t a part of this deal...
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Not really... OU doesn't have a buyback provision. They are participating with everything else.
Ralph D. RussoVerified account @ralphDrussoAP 5h5 hours ago
Interesting piece of the new Big 12/ESPN deal. Includes one football game per school per year exclusively on ESPN+, starting in 2020, except for Texas (LHN) and Oklahoma.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
Replying to @ralphDrussoAP
Fox previously had the right of first refusal for Big 12 T3 football games for everyone except Texas, Oklahoma and WVU. Texas has LHN, Oklahoma does a locally produced game they also offer for pay-per-view and IMG owned WVU's single T3 football game. Texas had 2 T3 games for LHN.
BucsHawks @BucsHawk 4h4 hours ago
You forgot Kansas, their agreement was never with FOX. The one football game they controlled was already on ESPN+.
Mark Ennis @MarkEnnis
If I’m understanding the expanded Big 12 rights announcement, ESPN and ESPN+ are creating a sort of backdoor Big 12 Network for the non-Texas/Oklahoma teams.
Ralph D. RussoVerified account @ralphDrussoAP 4h4 hours ago
Ralph D. Russo Retweeted Mark Ennis
Yes. Kind of like the AAC touting its deal with ESPN plus as a digital network.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @ralphDrussoAP
Please note the Big 12 deal with ESPN+ is just T3 content that Fox previously held the option on televising. The price for those T3 games are set in the OTA deal. The real money is for the CCG OTA broadcast. Keep it in perspective.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @ralphDrussoAP
If you want to make a comparison its more like the ACC's digital network.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
The deal with ESPN+ is the first step. More changes coming. Possible expansion or relationship with the Pac 12 is the next step.
Nicholas Holman @hjnick01 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Every time you say possible expansion with the PAC-12, I get very nervous... I do not want to merge with all of the PAC! Too many teams that don’t pull their weight. Only want teams that will improve the Big XII, drop the rest. Plus west coast time sucks badly!
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
I agree on the time zone.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
$22M for 6 years = $132M in new money for the Big 12.
Bryan Shaw @BGoGolf 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Did any other conferences lock down additional revenues with similar deals?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Yea... with a conference network.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
So far only one outlet (Saturday Down South) has truly understood the significance of the Big 12's new deal with ESPN+. Think about it folks...
Michael Clark @mchclark 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
What article are you referring to from SDS? I looked and didn't see this news anywhere in there sure.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 4h4 hours ago
So for years, the Big 12 schools were able to work their own Tier 3 rights individually, and find the deal that was best for them. For WVU, that often meant a deal with AT&T Pittsburgh. But now, the non-Texas/OU B12 schools are clumping their T3 with ESPN+? Not sure I like this.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @HoneyRoyPalmer
You should... ESPN is paying more than Root Sports did... it means $2.2M more for WVU each year.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 4h4 hours ago
Adam Retweeted Adam
To me, this just makes the Big 12’s T3 right’s look like that of every other P5 league, only..... 1) The Big 12 doesn’t have their own network. 2) We’re excluding our two most profitable schools from the deal. Just don’t really see how any of this is a good thing.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @HoneyRoyPalmer
It is... It's the start... consider it the cornerstone for the future of the Big 12. It's $132M in new money. UT and OU are participating as much as they can contractually.
WVU_Forever @forever_wvu 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @HoneyRoyPalmer
We saw this movie before with unequal revenue sharing. A conference needs to be ALL in.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @HoneyRoyPalmer
Adam, if you are a fan of the Big 12 this deal is great news.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 4h4 hours ag
Replying to @theDudeofWV
If push ever comes to shove, with anything expansion related, I fully expect ESPN to back the ACC, SEC, or Big 10 over the Big 12.
We’ll see how this goes, but for now, count me as being a little skeptical.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Lot's of misunderstanding about the Big 12's deal.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
1. The T3 games handed to ESPN+ are the same games that Fox had the rights to prior. If Fox passed then the schools could sell the games. Most appeared on FS1. WVU's was also on a regional Fox Network... Root.. then AT&T.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
2. Texas and OU's football T3 games will not be on ESPN+ because of existing contracts. Basketball will be... olympic sports will be for OU.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
I see nothing in any press releases that shows any OU home games in any sport being added to ESPN+.
8 Big 12 schools will provide over 50 events a year on ESPN+.
OU is not involved. OU road games will appear of course..but no rights that they own will show up on ESPN+.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
Looks like things are being set up for a couple of teams to exit. Keep in mind KU already had a tier 3 contract with ESPN
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
Not even close... UT has a contract with LHN. OU has a regional contract. OU basketball will be on ESPN+ as well as olympic sports.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @flugempire
The arrangement will allow for live game broadcasts of Oklahoma men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, softball and Olympic sports as well as pregame and postgame shows for football games, FB coach Bob Stoops’ weekly television show and coverage of the annual spring FB game.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
This arrangement is the sooner sports tv contract with fox. Not ESPN +
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Yep.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @flugempire
Football games are not part of sooner sports TV
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
OU produces one football game per year they receive back from the Big 12's OTA contract. Only 1 game per year is possible for this new deal per school. UT and OU's game - thru 2024 - are contractually obligated.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub
Where does it say any of Oklahoma’s home games will be on ESPN+? ESPN own release spells it out. 8 schools providing over 50 live events a year each..school’s providing production. Oklahoma is not in this deal.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
3. WVU is not losing money. They are adding... WVU's T3 football game never passed to IMG because Fox opted to show it on Root/ATT. 90% certain of that...
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
4. This is limited content. Basically ESPN is paying for the CCG and taking over from Fox as distributor for T3 games. The $ for those games is set in the OTA contract.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
5. this is the first move of the Big 12 going all in with ESPN. Fox will not likely be part of the TV's next TV contract. There will be significantly more money for the conference and a Big 12 network. Most likely expansion and worldwide distribution on an outlet like DAZN.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
6. Don't get upset about the basketball games. The T3 games didn't really make money anyway.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
Look guys... for schools not UT, OU or WVU the new contract is a boon. It's a push for WVU in terms of TV money for its football game but the money for the CCG makes up for the push.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Do I have this right? ACC T3: ACCN Big 10 T3: BTN SEC T3: SECN Big 12 T3: ESPN+
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 54m54 minutes ago
Yes. BUT... ACCN started out as ACC Digital. Nobody cared. Big 12 cannot have its own conf network because of LHN. A Big 12 branded ESPN+ is the next best thing. WVU brokered this deal.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 15m15 minutes ago
I get that we can’t have a Big 12 Network as long as LHN exists. But for the most part, the common fan around the country doesn’t know that and doesn’t care. All they’ll see is that games from other leagues are easily accessible on TV, while the B12 is behind an online paywall.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
Well, $132M is better than 0.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 3m3 minutes ago
(And under the old T3 system, WVU and every other B12 school was doing way better than 0. It may not have been 132M collectively, but WVU had a nice T3 setup.)
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Actually, KU is going to be getting less money than their Tier 3 rights currently pay them, so I guess they are giving up $$$ for the good of the conference similar to WVU and OU to some extent. UT, I assume, will be worked in when LHN expires in 2021.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
It's a base number and the money for the CCG will go up. But what you mean is that KU may make less on four basketball games but more than double their money on the one football game.
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 1h1 hour ago
I'm just comparing $22M bump from ESPN per year against ~$10M per year KU is currently making on Tier 3. That math doesn't look that good for KU.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 55m55 minutes ago
Apples to oranges... a T3 deal includes more than 1 T3 football game and at least 4 basketball games.
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 19m19 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Meh. I’m not a fan of anything that gives the perception that the other leagues have a better setup than the B12. I’m not as concerned about the money that this ESPN+ deal gives the Big 12 as I am about the perception.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 16m16 minutes ago
Well, if a conference network is impossible because of LHN the perception should be the Big 12 finally came together and made a move that improves their relationship with ESPN and put $132M of new money (base minimum) in their pockets. How can that be perceived badly?
Adam @HoneyRoyPalmer 12m12 minutes ago
That might look good today, while everyone is reading the articles. But by the time these games are actually on TV or online, few people will remember or care at that point, I’m afraid.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
The most important takeaway from the Big 12's deal with ESPN is that ESPN and the Big 12 are all in with each other. This deal is a precursor to a much larger deal that will but the Big 12 on par with the B1G, SEC and ACC.
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Even with the ACCN, the B12 is going to be closer to SEC/B10 money than ACC will be. You have to wonder if this spells the beginning of real talks with ASU/AZ or even BYU/CIN again. P12 is sinking...badly. Now would be a good time to make that move for the B12, in my opinion.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
No G5 schools... BYU is not considered a G5 school.
Travis E 〽️bacher @TEmbacher 52m52 minutes ago
This may be a stupid question, but since we’re going all in with ESPN, how does this impact future expansion?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 52m52 minutes ago
Replying to @TEmbacher
Well, let me answer with this... the Big 12 accepted ESPN's offer while the Pac 12 turned it down? Poaching is very difficult but the Big 12 going all in with ESPN makes it easier.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 51m51 minutes ago
Just for context... The Big 12 was the only P5 conference with T3 content available for ESPN+. Because LHN made a Big 12 network impossible this deal is the next best thing.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 48m48 minutes ago
WVU is pushing to local media how much the deal with ESPN+ enhances the conferences bargaining power for the next OTA contract.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 36m36 minutes ago
It doesn’t when FOX is all out on the content. ESPN is bidding against itself. ESPN wanted to lock up the digital content like they did with the AAC. This likely means that the league won’t be constructed in the same fashion the next time. It’s a bone to keep most of the teams
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 34m34 minutes ago
Replying to @NebGradDubDub
Doug, WVU is making a point to local media about what the deal really means. They wouldn't go out of their way to stress the next OTA contract and that Texas and OU are part of this.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 35m35 minutes ago
Replying to @NebGradDubDub
They didn't lock up content. They added on to the current contract and purchased T3 content. OU and Texas were a big part of the decision on this lead by WVU's Gee. It solidifies the Big 12's position with ESPN.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 22m22 minutes ago
Why was Oklahoma part of this decision? They are not participating at all in this deal.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 46m46 minutes ago
Even more context... The Mormon church's recent decision on gay marriage improves BYU's position with the Big 12. ESPN would love to see BYU in the Big 12.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 46m46 minutes ago
Personally I would consider BYU as the prime candidate to replace WVU in the Big 12 if the Mountaineers can manage a move to the ACC.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 40m40 minutes ago
Replying to @TEmbacher
Serious answer. I really don't expect Fox to be part of the Big 12's next TV deal. So who partners with ESPN. My money is on John Skipper's new company, funded by an oligarch, DAZN. DAZN is going to pay super premium money for the only P5 conference with content available.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 39m39 minutes ago
Replying to @TEmbacher
If DAZN bites then expansion is almost a given because ESPN will get the first choice of inventory and DAZN will want more than KU football games for the money they will bring to the table. The Pac 12's decision to turn down ESPN in favor of an investor was just plain crazy.
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 39m39 minutes ago
If WVU stays put (my opinion), who, other than BYU, makes sense. How about a list of 4 in most likely order?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 37m37 minutes ago
Replying to @TheTaterman
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Colorado. ESPN might be more open to G5 schools than Fox but not those in ACC or SEC territory. WVU will not accept Cincy. So who's left? UConn is not an option. UCF would be except they would compete both with SEC and ACC in Florida.
Ted Adams @TheTaterman 22m22 minutes ago
Aside from the financial issue with Cincy, what is WVU's beef with them? Recruiting territory?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 21m21 minutes ago
WVU does not want to elevate a G5 program to P5 status who is that close regionally.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 34m34 minutes ago
You have to strain to spin the Big 12's add-on deal with ESPN as a negative.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 33m33 minutes ago
It's a good day for the Big 12. So stop looking for portends of doom in the silver clouds.
Doug @NebGradDubDub 8m8 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV
Nebraska and Ohio State have massive deals with IMG. Those numbers are never shown. Nebraska is 8.4 million a year.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 3m3 minutes ago
Apples to pineapples
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 12m12 minutes ago
Replying to @NebGradDubDub @theDudeofWV
We all have 3T money coming from outside our TV only with BTN. It’s why BTN is so incredibly valuable because it gives us exposure + 9 mil for TV only for 3T content.
#Retire5 @wbgv1863 4h4 hours ago
So this new tv deal is basically saying there’s a new Big 12 network, expect its for non-OU/TX fans, correct?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
No. The deal with ESPN putting T3 games on ESPN includes UT & OU just not for their T3 football game because its already contractually obligated.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 11m11 minutes ago
Replying to @theDudeofWV @wbgv1863
Not true Dude. No OU home games, ganes they maintain 3T rights, will be put on ESPN+.
Where are you getting your info Chris?
e0ppok @e0ppok 8m8 minutes ago
Road games, I would assume is the meaning..? As Oklahoma, & Texas, will now appear on all XII road games/ LHN is no longer an issue for UT on road games... By the way ESPN currently owns that FS-Oklahoma branded network, not FOX, I believe...
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 4m4 minutes ago
It’s not like Oklahoma owns right to their road games. Oklahoma owns their 3T rights to their home games in all of their Olympic sports, 3T content (FB/BB)
Oklahoma is not giving up their 3rd Tier content which they own the rights to toward ESPN+.
None of it.
e0ppok @e0ppok 15m15 minutes ago
Replying to @flugempire @theDudeofWV @wbgv1863
The wording on your end: "They are not participating at all in this deal." Which literally, the Sooners are, now a team that is not participating at all - would be an ol' XII member, Nebraska @ $51m. from B1G.... Oklahoma expects $50m./ Texas $56m. this year...
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 10m10 minutes ago
Oklahoma is not participating in this deal. Just like they never participated in Kansas 3T deal with ESPN when they would show up as an opponent on Kansas Jayhawk’s Softball field.
e0ppok @e0ppok 7m7 minutes ago
That in itself, is participating on a fellow conference-mate & XII's 3rd tier deal, as noted, Oklahoma will incur a revenue gain from news of today, just as Notre Dame does on all road ACC games...
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 8m8 minutes ago
This Big 12 deal with ESPN+ does not include Texas or Oklahoma giving any of there 3T content they own to ESPN+.
OU & UT are not producing any content being delivered on ESPN+ Unlike other 8 B12 Schls.
There is nothing confusing about this...this is as clean cut as can be.
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Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 13h13 hours ago
As of right now the Big 12 will expand in 2025 either with Pac 12 schools or BYU and UCF. It's not in concrete but its clear that all signs point in that direction.
As of right now the Big 12 will expand in 2025 either with Pac 12 schools or BYU and UCF. It's not in concrete but its clear that all signs point in that direction.
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Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 18m18 minutes ago
Let's talk about the Big 12's future for a bit, but with a caveat... what follows is for entertainment purposes only. I have reason to believe what I'm about to write is possible if not probable but there are a lot of if then statements required.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 17m17 minutes ago
1. I have a high degree of confidence that the Big 12 will sign a new TV OTA TV deal with ESPN and a partner other than Fox before 2025 and that TV deal with keep the Big 12 3rd in terms of revenue and serve to keep the conf. whole with one exception.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
2. I have a high degree of confidence that the new TV deal will include T3 rights for football and Basketball TV games which means the Big 12 will need to expand to keep a new partner like ESPN+ or DAZN happy.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
3. I also have a high degree of confidence that they Big 12 tries to pull Arizona and Arizona State from the Pac 12 and the success of that endeavor depends on how the Pac 12 is able to patch its holes & is Scott is retained.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
4. I have a high degree of confidence that if the Big 12 can't pull two Pac 12 schools away that BYU and UCF will be the additions.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 12m12 minutes ago
5. I have a high degree of confidence that WVU will not be a member of the Big 12 post 2025 if ESPN gets its way and the ACC invites WVU before ND joins as a full member. In that case BYU replaces WVU.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 11m11 minutes ago
6. I have a high degree of confidence that BYU will have first shot to replace a departing WVU (if that happens) provided their LGBT policies are inline with peers in the Big 12.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 9m9 minutes ago
7. Take note that circumstances may/are likely to/most certainly will change. The situation is fluid and what I've tweeted today is for discussion only to fill the void between now and August. But my confidence that the scenarios I just posted are accurate is very high.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4m4 minutes ago
I am dead certain that UConn, UH and UC are not on the Big 12's radar at all. The only g5 program with a shot is UCF.
Daniel Mountcastle @Expansion_Crush 3m3 minutes ago
I personally think that UCF and Houston should be added regardless of whether it's possible to entice the Arizona schools to join. That would be icing on the cake and get the conference back to 12 teams. The BXII could join the other P5 conferences and go to 14 with UCLA & USC
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2m2 minutes ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush
UH will next get the votes even if they are deserving. OU, TTU, TCU, OKST... just about all the Big 12 members do not want UH being elevated to p5 status for obvious reasons. Protect your turf is the #1 rule.
Daniel Mountcastle @Expansion_Crush 2m2 minutes ago
Booo!!
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 36s36 seconds ago
Same reason WVU is dead set against UC. Not in my backyard.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2m2 minutes ago
How times have changed... more WVU fans doubt the ACC's interest in WVU than ACC fans.
#YAWOOCOUGARBASKETBALL @rudyywcf 2m2 minutes ago
Ugh...not this again
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1m1 minute ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
Think about it... don't make me spell it out for you. Think about how BYU would add value to the Big 12 given the deal with ESPN and a new OTA contract. Just suspend your disbelief and think about it.
#YAWOOCOUGARBASKETBALL @rudyywcf 32s32 seconds ago
Oh, I just meant B12 expansion talk in general. I am in agreement with you that UH's future is not in the B12
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 22s23 seconds ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
Follow the logic... who does BYU already have a contract with? Who has a large displaced fan base not centralized by state, FCC transmission lines or DMA? Who would easily and eagerly pay $5 and or $15 a month to see their team play in the Big 12?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 33s34 seconds ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
Which major program, not affiliated with a P5 conference is not considered a G5 program? Do you really think the Big 12 would have enough content to offer an online parter such as DAZN without expansion?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1m1 minute ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
BYU had a LGBT problem during the Baylor scandal. Plus BYU wasn't the problem at 11.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1m1 minute ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
I personally would be surprised if BYU doesn't kick off the 2025 season as member of the Big 12.
Let's talk about the Big 12's future for a bit, but with a caveat... what follows is for entertainment purposes only. I have reason to believe what I'm about to write is possible if not probable but there are a lot of if then statements required.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 17m17 minutes ago
1. I have a high degree of confidence that the Big 12 will sign a new TV OTA TV deal with ESPN and a partner other than Fox before 2025 and that TV deal with keep the Big 12 3rd in terms of revenue and serve to keep the conf. whole with one exception.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
2. I have a high degree of confidence that the new TV deal will include T3 rights for football and Basketball TV games which means the Big 12 will need to expand to keep a new partner like ESPN+ or DAZN happy.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
3. I also have a high degree of confidence that they Big 12 tries to pull Arizona and Arizona State from the Pac 12 and the success of that endeavor depends on how the Pac 12 is able to patch its holes & is Scott is retained.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
4. I have a high degree of confidence that if the Big 12 can't pull two Pac 12 schools away that BYU and UCF will be the additions.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 12m12 minutes ago
5. I have a high degree of confidence that WVU will not be a member of the Big 12 post 2025 if ESPN gets its way and the ACC invites WVU before ND joins as a full member. In that case BYU replaces WVU.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 11m11 minutes ago
6. I have a high degree of confidence that BYU will have first shot to replace a departing WVU (if that happens) provided their LGBT policies are inline with peers in the Big 12.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 9m9 minutes ago
7. Take note that circumstances may/are likely to/most certainly will change. The situation is fluid and what I've tweeted today is for discussion only to fill the void between now and August. But my confidence that the scenarios I just posted are accurate is very high.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 4m4 minutes ago
I am dead certain that UConn, UH and UC are not on the Big 12's radar at all. The only g5 program with a shot is UCF.
Daniel Mountcastle @Expansion_Crush 3m3 minutes ago
I personally think that UCF and Houston should be added regardless of whether it's possible to entice the Arizona schools to join. That would be icing on the cake and get the conference back to 12 teams. The BXII could join the other P5 conferences and go to 14 with UCLA & USC
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2m2 minutes ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush
UH will next get the votes even if they are deserving. OU, TTU, TCU, OKST... just about all the Big 12 members do not want UH being elevated to p5 status for obvious reasons. Protect your turf is the #1 rule.
Daniel Mountcastle @Expansion_Crush 2m2 minutes ago
Booo!!
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 36s36 seconds ago
Same reason WVU is dead set against UC. Not in my backyard.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 2m2 minutes ago
How times have changed... more WVU fans doubt the ACC's interest in WVU than ACC fans.
#YAWOOCOUGARBASKETBALL @rudyywcf 2m2 minutes ago
Ugh...not this again
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1m1 minute ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
Think about it... don't make me spell it out for you. Think about how BYU would add value to the Big 12 given the deal with ESPN and a new OTA contract. Just suspend your disbelief and think about it.
#YAWOOCOUGARBASKETBALL @rudyywcf 32s32 seconds ago
Oh, I just meant B12 expansion talk in general. I am in agreement with you that UH's future is not in the B12
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 22s23 seconds ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
Follow the logic... who does BYU already have a contract with? Who has a large displaced fan base not centralized by state, FCC transmission lines or DMA? Who would easily and eagerly pay $5 and or $15 a month to see their team play in the Big 12?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 33s34 seconds ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
Which major program, not affiliated with a P5 conference is not considered a G5 program? Do you really think the Big 12 would have enough content to offer an online parter such as DAZN without expansion?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1m1 minute ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
BYU had a LGBT problem during the Baylor scandal. Plus BYU wasn't the problem at 11.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV 1m1 minute ago
Replying to @rudyywcf
I personally would be surprised if BYU doesn't kick off the 2025 season as member of the Big 12.
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I have a high degree of confidence that the Dude is delusional.
Anyone who thinks that ASU & UofA are leaving the PAC for the B12 should immediately be committed to a mental institution. Leaving the California schools would be a death sentence for both schools.
I would bet that better than 50% of both schools athletes come from California and a very significant portion of the general student bodies do as well.
I would bet that better than 50% of both schools athletes come from California and a very significant portion of the general student bodies do as well.
Meanwhile the football head coach high tails it out of the big time to the AAC. Of course in hindsight, they were trying to get rid of him.