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GREG SW AIM SHOW‏ @GSw aim 4h4 hours ago
There will most definitely be additional conference realignment in the next several years, prompted by new television deals. However, there are already talks going on behind the scenes...get ready!!

shane‏ @fire37water 3h3 hours ago
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No Pac12. SEC or B10 for the Sooners.

GREG SW AIM SHOW‏ @GSw aim 3h3 hours ago
SHOW Retweeted shane

#B1G wants #KUbball and #Sooners so bad they can taste it, and #Big12 may lose OU while they are busy courting #FightOn, #UCLA, #SunDevils and #BearDown. They don't want the entire Pac12...not a cultural or political fit.
 
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It all depends on how the system is organized. That was the big issue with Nebraska. Their research hospital was put under a different campus and they couldn’t count that in their metrics. Here’s the thing, if the Michigan; and Wisconsin (the schools that wanted Nebraska out and led the charge) wanted them in, the hospital wouldn’t have mattered. It was the means for removing them. Rutgers was already part of the AAU before they were granted the hospital system so it really didn’t matter to the Big10 schools.

I would love having UConn in the Big10 right now. Games against you all would be a blast, especially with the success we’ve had lately. Achieving your status as a basketball power would be an honor.
Its a good point. A while back, someone told me that there's also a division between medical dollars used for actual procedures, say open heard surgery, versus dollars spend on pharma and medical sciences. I do not know the numbers; but, with Merck, J&J, BMS, Celgene, etc. all in Rutgers' backyard, I have to assume there is a lot of money spend on health sciences at Rutgers.

As for Rutgers itself, Rutgers was established as a private college back in Colonial days and was later bailed out of bankruptcy by the State of New Jersey and emerged as a strange pubic-private university that in time became the state's flagship land-grand university. UMDNJ was established by the state entirely separate from Rutgers; but, the two grew closer over time before the state finally merged then a few years back.
 

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As for Rutgers itself, Rutgers was established as a private college back in Colonial days and was later bailed out of bankruptcy by the State of New Jersey
Sort of. That conflates the Queens College history which had been closed for a few years before it's assets were bought by the school that became Rutgers, IIRC.
 
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Its a good point. A while back, someone told me that there's also a division between medical dollars used for actual procedures, say open heard surgery, versus dollars spend on pharma and medical sciences. I do not know the numbers; but, with Merck, J&J, BMS, Celgene, etc. all in Rutgers' backyard, I have to assume there is a lot of money spend on health sciences at Rutgers.

As for Rutgers itself, Rutgers was established as a private college back in Colonial days and was later bailed out of bankruptcy by the State of New Jersey and emerged as a strange pubic-private university that in time became the state's flagship land-grand university. UMDNJ was established by the state entirely separate from Rutgers; but, the two grew closer over time before the state finally merged then a few years back.
 
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Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 8h8 hours ago
Does Bowlsby and Big 12 Presidents, outside of OU & UT, understand if Delany gets his way and CFB playoffs expand to 8 sooner rather than later its makes Big 10 Conf Expansion to 16 schools that much more palatable to its intended targets? BTM dinner first week of January. ;)

Erich Keithly‏ @ekeithly_1 7h7 hours ago
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Why would OU and UT want to go through UM, tOSU, Nebraska, and Wisconsin for that autobid? Unless the case is made the no autobid or B12 doesnt get one.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 7h7 hours ago
There would be also be 3 wildcards...not just auto bids.

Erich Keithly‏ @ekeithly_1 7h7 hours ago
Except OU has found winning the B12 a relatively easy task over the years. I am all in for OU to B1G, but I look back how many years OU could have been in with that rule and its a good number. It gave OU the chance to mulligen after rough non-con

Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub 5h5 hours ago
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Those teams are splintering to the B10 or merging with the P12. IMO

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
They are looking.
 
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Guy has no real clue. Just spews speculation based on limited facts.

I believe the year 2018 will end on December 31st. And we will move to 2019 soon after. You heard it hear first. No dinner with BTM.
 
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Spoke with BTM by phone. Everyone listen up big news. Really big news ! The sun will rise in east in the morning and set in the west ! You heard it here first- so says BTM .
 
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Original Thi‏ @FL_Hawk25 24h24 hours ago
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What is the speculation on Kansas now that Texas has bumped them out of all this conversation?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 24h24 hours ago
What has changed is Big Ten’s main targets. But of course it doesn’t mean UT will make the jump..or OU for that matter. Kansas is not out of conversation, but it no longer controls own destiny when it comes to B1G Expansion plans. But is definitely not out of conversation.

❄ Seth A ❄‏ @KUandUofAfan 20h20 hours ago
So let's pretend that Texas and OU do go to the B1G. Does he think that means KU will head to the SEC?
 
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Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 17h17 hours ago
Want to buy a stake in the Pac-12 Conference? It’s exploring taking on private equity partners.

Huge story on so many levels. Watch this story develop.

Matt Sarzyniak‏ @mattsarz
Matt Sarzyniak Retweeted William Tobakos

For the 90% that the schools control in "Pac12 NewCo", I see your point, but the 10% that the private equity investors would be infusing, how do they recoup?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 17h17 hours ago
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PAC12 NewCo would get 10% of the cut PAC gets in media contracts until money is paid back...correct? This is a massive gamble for PAC schools.

William Tobakos‏ @tuxedotenurer79 17h17 hours ago
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big ten gets like $1 per subscriber in the big 10 states, $.25 subscriber elsewhere, part of the reason Rutgers and Maryland added. my figures are from memory so they are approximate

Matt Sarzyniak‏ @mattsarz 17h17 hours ago
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You're about right on this premise. Its a blended subscriber rate.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 17h17 hours ago
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Greg Flugaur Retweeted Dennis Dodd

https://mobile.twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1079085418421895168 … Wow. Incredible story. This sucker needs to be flushed out. PAC schools ready to gamble on themselves and their conference in a huge way.

Matt Sarzyniak‏ @mattsarz 17h17 hours ago
Matt Sarzyniak Retweeted Greg Flugaur

Maybe(?) Since @tuxedotenurer79 brought it up, I'm starting to wonder how this truly differs, at least structurally, from the LLC that BTN is. More assets from the conference would be in this NewCo compared to what BTN is. https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=62316211 …

Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub 17h17 hours ago
This will lead to B12 splitting up..some to P12, some to B10. Just my opinion. It gets P12 into central time zone.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 17h17 hours ago
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I don’t know Doug. This story needs to be flushed out some. But at the very least this is not a conference which will be poached by Big 12 (this was never in the cards) if this deal happens. This is long term agreement..there would be no outs for PAC schools.

Randy D‏ @cubsgop 16h16 hours ago
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Smells of Pac desperation to me

Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub 16h16 hours ago
The B12 will be in the same boat when their media deal expires.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 17h17 hours ago
I'd pass without a guaranteed minimum return. Where is the projected ROI. This whole idea looks suspicious. At best the Pac12 is selling future income for money today to keep schools from looking outside the conference. Arizona, Arizona State and maybe Colorado.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 17h17 hours ago
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I’m not sure I understand the whole story yet. It does look like a cash infusion for 10% equity. My question is how does this PAC CO group help build value for PAC schools? The infusion helps pay the bills..but I don’t know man.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 16h16 hours ago
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Pays the bills today but after the cash infusion is gone then what? They get a 1 year bump for 10% of the media rights and licensed materials. Seems like a bad investment. Looks like they're bullish on T1 rights. And 10% of future T1 rights and such go to investors.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 16h16 hours ago
Each school, according to what we are reading as of today, would receive about 42 million dollars from this deal. Conference would sign over 10% of equity.

Aaron‏ @posas13 16h16 hours ago
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Looks like a plan to find a strategic partner like Fox or ESPN. PAC finally figuring out that their 100% owned network isn't worth much if they can't get distribution or market well enough to drive viewership. They need a media company to help with maximizing value.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 16h16 hours ago
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But with only a 10% investment potential it doesn't look like they want a media company to be involved. It looks like they're looking for a short term cash infusion. And this deal includes 10% of the merchandise sales.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 16h16 hours ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush @posas13
Exactly. This is not about building something....it’s a bridge loan to 2024.

Aaron‏ @posas13 16h16 hours ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush @flugempire
Yeah, good point. Sounds like they're dipping their toes just to get some cash...not a great sign..

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 16h16 hours ago
I will tell you this...if PAC is shooting for huge tier 1 Media deal for 2024 they have to get their Conf into Central Time Zone. They have to get this done. Big Market, Central Time Zone University so their package can be more versatile..more bandwidth

Something like Houston.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 16h16 hours ago
With the way the Pac12 distributes money, the conference gets an equal share as if they're a member school. So they're basically expanding without adding a school. Looks like investors get treatment as a 14th member.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 16h16 hours ago
Big Ten gets a slice of Big Ten Network money like it’s the 15th schools as well. But this is not like the FOX-Big Ten deal with BTN. The Network created long term value for Big Ten schools. This seems to be a loan..a bet..hoping for Big Tier 1 Deal for PAC in 2024.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 16h16 hours ago
Exactly


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Jon Wilner‏Verified account @wilnerhotline 12h12 hours ago

In 2011, the Pac-12 considered adding the Oklahoma schools and becoming a 14-team conference. What if it had?

What if the Oklahoma schools had joined the Pac-12?
 
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I just don't see OU or Texas wanting to go to BIG and having to play in the cold weather along with going through tOSU, UM, Wisconsin, etc

They have a cake walk right now in Big XII and would have the same plus better weather in PAC
 

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I just don't see OU or Texas wanting to go to BIG and having to play in the cold weather along with going through tOSU, UM, Wisconsin, etc

They have a cake walk right now in Big XII and would have the same plus better weather in PAC
I guess I don’t understand this whole weather issue. Our weather here in Michigan is not a frozen tundra during football season. In Ann Arbor, the average temperature in September is 75 degrees, October is 62 and November is 48. The last games would be played the weekend of Thanksgiving and they won’t be playing in the North. Michigan plays OSU, Wisconsin plays Minnesota and the like. My guess is Oklahoma would be playing Nebraska that weekend. Texas would find someone like PSU to play that last weekend.

To me, weather is a non factor. Money is. Will the Big12 get the money it has now? Can PAC get out of its money issues? The Big10 has no money issues. If the Big12 can secure the money they have now plus more, it’s best for them to stay. If not, they need to bolt. If the PAC can’t fix their money issues, they are a non starter.
 
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I guess I don’t understand this whole weather issue. Our weather here in Michigan is not a frozen tundra during football season. In Ann Arbor, the average temperature in September is 75 degrees, October is 62 and November is 48. The last games would be played the weekend of Thanksgiving and they won’t be playing in the North. Michigan plays OSU, Wisconsin plays Minnesota and the like. My guess is Oklahoma would be playing Nebraska that weekend. Texas would find someone like PSU to play that last weekend.

To me, weather is a non factor. Money is. Will the Big12 get the money it has now? Can PAC get out of its money issues? The Big10 has no money issues. If the Big12 can secure the money they have now plus more, it’s best for them to stay. If not, they need to bolt. If the PAC can’t fix their money issues, they are a non starter.
I agree. While the folks down South may whine about the weather, it's a non-factor. After all, Dallas itself is not immune from some really nasty cold weather . It's about Money and Power. As long as Texas and Oklahoma receive a competitive pay-out from the XII and have an above average chance of making it to the Playoffs (versus slogging through the B1G or SEC), they will stay in the XII. If that changes, they then will move.

Just note Power can have different shades. The XII and SEC are all about football power. The ACC takes into consideration basketball, too. The B1G is very interested in academic power, also.
 
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Weather is obviously a factor on some level. The country has been moving south for several generations and asking Southern talent to buck the very real trend is just another hurdle. Obviously it can be done, but it is just an unforced added hassle.
 
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I agree. While the folks down South may whine about the weather, it's a non-factor. After all, Dallas itself is not immune from some really nasty cold weather . It's about Money and Power. As long as Texas and Oklahoma receive a competitive pay-out from the XII and have an above average chance of making it to the Playoffs (versus slogging through the B1G or SEC), they will stay in the XII. If that changes, they then will move.

Just note Power can have different shades. The XII and SEC are all about football power. The ACC takes into consideration basketball, too. The B1G is very interested in academic power, also.
Texas and oklahoma wouldn't be the alpha dogs in the BIG, that is also a shade of power. They would be alphas by staying put or going to PAC 12.

Weather is most certainly an issue regardless of what BIG homers think. 50 degrees which is fine for northerners and great lakes area isn't fine for those living in texas and oklahoma
 
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Football in the Big Ten is a fall sport, mostly played in nice fall football weather.

I find that much more desirable than sitting through an afternoon mid September game in Tallahassee or Auburn....heat on the field about 100 degrees...humidity in the 90s.

From a study of football weather...
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Therefore, Football Weather is defined as a temperature near 50F (±5F) as observed during the September through November time period (regardless of precipitation) between 11 a.m. and 5 p.m. This corresponds with the bulk of the college football season. (Note: this is unrelated to weather that give one team or another a competitive advantage.)


"Perhaps unsurprisingly, the most southerly states do not fare well in the Football Weather tally. Most of September is still pretty hot in this region and good Football Weather doesn't usually show up until late in the season. Football Weather is only experienced <5% of the time in places like Florida, south Louisiana, and southern Texas. Once you reach the beige areas on the map, any given day is at least 20% likely to experience Football Weather. Farther to the northeast and northwest, the numbers rise even father.
 
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Texas and oklahoma wouldn't be the alpha dogs in the BIG, that is also a shade of power. They would be alphas by staying put or going to PAC 12.

Weather is most certainly an issue regardless of what BIG homers think. 50 degrees which is fine for northerners and great lakes area isn't fine for those living in texas and oklahoma
Exactly on the alpha issue. Once the money that the B1G could offer Texas and Oklahoma (Kansas would come along for the ride) outweighs the control that the two have in the XII, they are gone. Of course, with all of the turmoil with broadcasting right now, who knows if or when that will happen.

As for the weather, please see above. An extra $50 Million or so a year will keep Texas and Oklahoma executives plenty warm in their suites.
 

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Texas and oklahoma wouldn't be the alpha dogs in the BIG, that is also a shade of power. They would be alphas by staying put or going to PAC 12.

Weather is most certainly an issue regardless of what BIG homers think. 50 degrees which is fine for northerners and great lakes area isn't fine for those living in texas and oklahoma
It’s all about money. If they can make close to the same amount in the Big12, than they should (and will) stay. If not, they are gone. Being a top dog means nothing if they can’t afford it. Look at the Pac’s alphadogs. Looking for a cash infusion and falling apart.

As far as the weather goes, please tell me why it’s such a big deal. There are rarely any snow storms during the football season and it’s not that called. It’s not super cold and very comfortable most of the football season.
 
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Sometimes media money isn't everything....particularly when you are Texas.

If Texas played for 2 cents a year in media money...they still would have more athletic department income than most...they would be ranked #6.
 
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And, I believe that there is a value to schools, their alumni and fans, to retain cultural ties and traditional rivalries.

And it is, ultimately, what your athletic department does with those dollars...Sure Indiana and Northwestern make more media money than Clemson...But Clemson does fine with what it has.
 
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The more I contemplate the chase of money for money's sake, the more I wonder about the ultimate value. I think that we lose sight of the athletics for the dollars.

The purpose of athletic department income is to have quality programs. Not to end up ranked #1 on income.

The ACC , as an example, is far behind the Big 10 and SEC in media income...But not behind in quality sports.

Not having BIg Ten income hasn't stopped the ACC from playing in the CFP or winning the NC...

The ACC has won 6 basketball titles since the BIg Ten won their last.

And the non revenue sports seem to do well without the big dollars...

Since 2014, National Championships in men and in women's soccer, women's basketball, baseball, mens lacrosse, women's lacrosse, softball, men's tennis.

Yes...dollars are needed to run a good AD....but you can have success with less.
 

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