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Chin Diesel said:
You're not nearly as cynical as you think.

The Big12 is leaking out this narrative- Let us manage our conference and decide who our champ is or else the following programs are getting let in to the country club. I'm not saying I agree with the narrative, but you and I are reading the story with a similar perspective.
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Why would the other conferences care if the Big 12 is picking up the tab?

All this chatter may be a total fantasy, but if it doesn't happen, I am confident that the Pac 12 not wanting BYU or Cincinnati in a P5 conference will NOT be a factor. I can see the ACC not wanting UConn in a P5 league. On the other hand, they also want the Big 12 to split its playoff revenue more ways because right now the Big 12 has a cost advantage over the ACC.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Why would the other conferences care if the Big 12 is picking up the tab?

All this chatter may be a total fantasy, but if it doesn't happen, I am confident that the Pac 12 not wanting BYU or Cincinnati in a P5 conference will NOT be a factor. I can see the ACC not wanting UConn in a P5 league. On the other hand, they also want the Big 12 to split its playoff revenue more ways because right now the Big 12 has a cost advantage over the ACC.
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If the B-12 is forced to expand because of this...it will be full steam ahead to get a conference network in place. If that comes to fruition the ACC will be left in the dust.
 
FDNY99 said:
If the B-12 is forced to expand because of this...it will be full steam ahead to get a conference network in place. If that comes to fruition the ACC will be left in the dust.
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Why is one exclusive of the other? It would be hard for ESPN to stand in the way if all 4 other P5 conferences have a Conference Network.
 
FDNY99 said:
If the B-12 is forced to expand because of this...it will be full steam ahead to get a conference network in place. If that comes to fruition the ACC will be left in the dust.
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While a B-12 network will be a necessary (and for most involved welcome) end result, there will need to be an unraveling of the longhorn network first. I don't imagine UT playing nice (although ESPN will be very motivated to end that monstrosity).
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Why is one exclusive of the other? It would be hard for ESPN to stand in the way if all 4 other P5 conferences have a Conference Network.
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There is a strong possibility that ESPN would be in favor of ending the longhorn network (where they are bleeding $$$), replacing it with a b-12 network, using the expanded conference as an excuse to replace a money pit with what may be no better than a revenue neutral product.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
There is a strong possibility that ESPN would be in favor of ending the longhorn network (where they are bleeding $$$), replacing it with a b-12 network, using the expanded conference as an excuse to replace a money pit with what may be no better than a revenue neutral product.
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I think what could happen is that ESPN/UT/Bug 12 cut a deal that basically turns the LHN into the Bug 12 network, but structures the payment in a way that for the first X years of the networks life UT gets a higher payout to offset the loss in revenue the school will face by shuttering the LHN (because while LHN is a disaster for ESPN, it has been profitable for UT).
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Why is one exclusive of the other? It would be hard for ESPN to stand in the way if all 4 other P5 conferences have a Conference Network.
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For the ACC to get their Network...their Tier 2 rights need to be bought back from Raycom...no way in this day and age ESPN is going to pay to produce the programming...buy the rights back from Raycom ...then pay the ACC more money for a ACC Network. This is the reason it hasn't been done so far..and with ESPN in major cost cutting right now, it won't be done anytime soon either. Stafford basically sold his schools an empty bill of goods about a conference network, and screwed them over when he sold the media rights to Raycom (which also employs his son). This problem has been well documented the past 18 months.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/05/20/Media/ACC-net.aspx
 
NYUConn said:
I think what could happen is that ESPN/UT/Bug 12 cut a deal that basically turns the LHN into the Bug 12 network, but structures the payment in a way that for the first X years of the networks life UT gets a higher payout to offset the loss in revenue the school will face by shuttering the LHN (because while LHN is a disaster for ESPN, it has been profitable for UT).
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I agree that this makes sense. I have trouble seeing Texas making this concession.
 
NYUConn said:
I think what could happen is that ESPN/UT/Bug 12 cut a deal that basically turns the LHN into the Bug 12 network, but structures the payment in a way that for the first X years of the networks life UT gets a higher payout to offset the loss in revenue the school will face by shuttering the LHN (because while LHN is a disaster for ESPN, it has been profitable for UT).
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UT is the proverbial fly in the ointment with this and UT has made it clear, repeatedly over the years that their only concern is what is best for UT.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
UT is the proverbial fly in the ointment with this and UT has made it clear, repeatedly over the years that their only concern is what is best for UT.
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I think that giving UT a larger share of revenue to offset that loss from the network may make them feel better about it.

Texas knows this is a huge loss leader for ESPN at a time they cannot afford it. It's not going to last forever and when ESPN drops is I don't know how that they get it picked up elsewhere. The writing is on the wall for UT. Take what you can while you can.
 
BoatShow said:
Wasn't this tweet about the MBB game tonight? Timing confuses me.
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Yes, I thought the same thing - that's why I posted it. You had someone who covers the Big 12 (on the web) watching a UConn men's game and then thinking about the possibilities our women's team would bring to their league.

Kinda weird logic, but it also shows that women's Bball doesn't exactly have ZERO value in these considerations, as some people claim.

It's not from a huge source, I just thought it was interesting for someone (non-UConn) to think along those lines and also to Tweet it.

Timing is interesting for sure, and just adds (albeit slightly) to the smoke that's forming.
 
NYUConn said:
I think that giving UT a larger share of revenue to offset that loss from the network may make them feel better about it.

Texas knows this is a huge loss leader for ESPN at a time they cannot afford it. It's not going to last forever and when ESPN drops is I don't know how that they get it picked up elsewhere. The writing is on the wall for UT. Take what you can while you can.
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It might make sense to transition to a more sustainable platform. All it would require is give-and-take, and actually if UT has other conferences in mind for the future, its best bet would be to maximize its current payout with current network, but if it intends to make the B12 more stable in the future, then it could see the dollars and sense in compromising.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Why would anyone from another conference care? Their take of the $$$ isn't effected by the big12 splitting their $$$ w two more teams.
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nelsonmuntz said:
Why would the other conferences care if the Big 12 is picking up the tab?

All this chatter may be a total fantasy, but if it doesn't happen, I am confident that the Pac 12 not wanting BYU or Cincinnati in a P5 conference will NOT be a factor. I can see the ACC not wanting UConn in a P5 league. On the other hand, they also want the Big 12 to split its playoff revenue more ways because right now the Big 12 has a cost advantage over the ACC.
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I'm viewing this like a country club membership. There's some inequity amongst the existing members regarding playing for the club championship. Different factions within the country club have varying levels of clout. Some of the factions want to bring in new members to equal out the power within the club.

Some members in the club are buffoons, but they're still in the club. Their membership isn't getting revoked no matter how little they contribute to the club. All they do is show up for the free buffet and open bar. They're sponges, everyone knows it, but they're not leaving (BCU, Vandy, Northwestern, Wash St, Texas Tech, etc)

UConn isn't a part of the club and it needs someone to sponsor them.

The member who is considering sponsoring UConn to shore up their power base within the club, says it like this. "Look either we can redistribute our power within bringing in any new candidates or here's our new member." Other club members say, "That's fine. They're coming in at your expense and it has no bearing on us." Sponsor says, "Okay. Don't come bitching when they end up in your foursome or reception (bowl games)."

I get that some people don't understand power bases and irrational human decision making. No problem. But it's real.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I'm viewing this like a country club membership. There's some inequity amongst the existing members regarding playing for the club championship. Different factions within the country club have varying levels of clout. Some of the factions want to bring in new members to equal out the power within the club.

Some members in the club are buffoons, but they're still in the club. Their membership isn't getting revoked no matter how little they contribute to the club. All they do is show up for the free buffet and open bar. They're sponges, everyone knows it, but they're not leaving (BCU, Vandy, Northwestern, Wash St, Texas Tech, etc)

UConn isn't a part of the club and it needs someone to sponsor them.

The member who is considering sponsoring UConn to shore up their power base within the club, says it like this. "Look either we can redistribute our power within bringing in any new candidates or here's our new member." Other club members say, "That's fine. They're coming in at your expense and it has no bearing on us." Sponsor says, "Okay. Don't come bitching when they end up in your foursome or reception (bowl games)."

I get that some people don't understand power bases and irrational human decision making. No problem. But it's real.
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Yep. THAT is what is going on. Great catch.
 
Come on guys.. the fate of Uconn's Future Conference hinges on this poll...
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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
Greg Flugaur Retweeted Chuck Carlton
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Boom!!!

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
In other words Big 12....if you want CCG got to do it in divisional play.
Again..BTM told us Big 10 perception..and it was correct again.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
Big 12 Expansion Train is well down the tracks. Most have finally caught on.
Final negotations...start...January 16.

David Belding ‏@Frogman87 · 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire I've read some are saying BYU is a lock with UC and UConn as the other two. Based on your info is BYU back in play?

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @Frogman87 No.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
SEC commissioner Greg Sankey basically just told the Big 12 it's time for you to reform...to grow up.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
And for those who have been spouting this ridiculous notion that Big 12 & SEC have this diubke secret truce..
...another Dude delusion.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 58m58 minutes ago
Boren has won.
If Texas stops this reform/expansion..it will cause a current Cold War in Big 12 to blow up into real War inside Conference

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 56m56 minutes ago
But in reality..Boren has won.
Big 12 now has a chance to survive beyond 2026 in current + 2 form.
Footprint/Branding will expand

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 41m41 minutes ago
You need to consider the following:
As we reported in the Summer it had become B10 perception way back then that B12 would expand for "17"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 37m37 minutes ago
Why did it become B10 perception in Summer of 2015?
Because Amendment of CCG with only Div Play was a card B10 knew they would play.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 36m36 minutes ago
A card the B10 knew would trump the notion of total and complete deregulation which was B12 proposal.
 

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