I'm not sure I'd want to be from the state of Willimantic.Someone on Landthieves posted this map with the comment "Interesting that UConn would be the dominant flagship school in their 6M person state".
The United States Redrawn as Fifty States with Equal Population:
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I'm not sure I'd want to be from the state of Willimantic.
They might go through a Matt Doherty-like period after Krzyzewski. And they might not win titles for a while. But Duke will not fall off over the long term the way, say, UCLA has, even though we all wish they would.Frank the Tank thinks B1G would take Duke by themselves but doesn't think they'll take us with a partner, even though we have nearly all of Duke's advantages and are also a state flagship?
He has an extreme case of prestige bias. Remains to be seen whether Duke's athletic prestige survives Krzyzewski. Academic prestige is what they would hang their hat on.
They might go through a Matt Doherty-like period after Krzyzewski. And they might not win titles for a while. But Duke will not fall off over the long term the way, say, UCLA has, even though we all wish they would.
Anyway, all of this Duke stuff is a hypothetical that's not on the table, even if the ACC network never happens.
It's not impossible, I'm just saying unlikely. Gut feeling, I think the administration will do a better job hiring the next coach. I could be wrong.Why is it impossible? UCLA and Indiana have both fallen off the map.
All Frank is saying is that in a vacuum Duke has a ton of value and any conference would be happy to have them. Not earth shattering. We can pretend that we have similar value, but we don't. So we need to work harder to demonstrate the value we do add.
Of course I agree that we add value, more than most P5. I would also say that Duke is more valuable than UConn by most measures, but then it depends on definition of "similar value". Just how I see it.Who says we don't bring similar value? IMG said we do back in 2010. So does Nike. I highly doubt that Duke's value for similar deals significantly trumps/trumped our own, if it even does. These were both signed around 2010-2011 when UConn was standing on the deck of a sinking Titanic Big East conference with no more lifeboats left.
All of these Twitter people that continue to harp on "UConn brings no value" are dead wrong and speaking out of their "old money" arses. For FTT, his highest criteria seems to be whether or not a school played football in 1880. The Dude's highest criteria is football wins in a particular season. We were making every bit as much as some of the P5 schools while we were a member of the BCS elite class. I'm sure our school's leadership has been selling this and if they aren't, we need new leadership. UConn is every bit as valuable as over half of the P5 grandfathered schools. There is absolutely zero doubt about that.
Agreed, but again, the whole #ACCpocalypse discussion is almost as hypothetical / moot as you can have in CR. Maybe a step or two away from promotion/relegation schemes which are fun to talk about but otherwise worthless. I understand folks from the mountaineering region of the country want it to happen but... B12 destruction much more likely.Of course I agree that we add value, more than most P5. I would also say that Duke is more valuable than UConn by most measures, but then it depends on definition of "similar value". Just how I see it.
Agreed.Agreed, but again, the whole #ACCpocalypse discussion is almost as hypothetical / moot as you can have in CR. Maybe a step or two away from promotion/relegation schemes which are fun to talk about but otherwise worthless. I understand folks from the mountaineering region of the country want it to happen but... B12 destruction much more likely.
So... a conference doesn't tell a school "you are the pick" but Big Ten Man hears who their top three are.Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
No..UC & UH have not been told they are the picks as of today..nor invited as of today.
Dude straddling hard LOL
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
A Conference doesn't tell a university "you are the pick"...but you don't right now have the votes.
What world does @theDudeofWV live in?
Desmond Hume @DezyHume · 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire @theDudeofWV I think that's pretty feasible. You're the school the composition committee is recommending but we don't have votes
Greg Flugaur
@flugempire @DezyHume @theDudeofWV
No it's not.
1) B12 is waiting on Dereg vote.
2) B12 has not begun negotiations with leading candidates.
Greg Flugaur
@flugempire @DezyHume @theDudeofWV
It takes all leverage away from B12 on negotiations with leading candidates (who we believe are UH-MEM-CINCY)
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@DezyHume @theDudeofWV
Nobody has been Picked. Nobody has been told they have been picked...if you get the votes.
Has not happened
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@DezyHume @theDudeofWV Expansion Committee skins down the choices.
Forwards short list to full B12 Presidents.
He's Big 10 man, damn it. He sees all and knows all.So... a conference doesn't tell a school "you are the pick" but Big Ten Man hears who their top three are.
You're cute. The spending war in college athletics isn't going away in the foreseeable future. As the differential below grows there will be more pressure for the most desirable teams to move to the higher earning leagues. The pressure will be felt most keenly by private institutions since they don't have a state to make up the differential between them and the highest paying conferences. The ACC, then, is ripe for movement. Only the potential carrot of a conference network has held it together. I doubt that holds up post the Big 10's new contract.Money is touted on boards...but as long as you win championships, there may be less impetus to move to another conference. Sure Ohio State and Texas almost double up the monies received by even some teams in their own conference, but Texas needs to win with that money.
As long as the ACC can compete, they may not get too itchy (IMHO).
Since 2013, the ACC has won National Championships in football, men's basketball, baseball, men's soccer, women's soccer, men's lacrosse, women's lacrosse...it's been a good platform for winning national titles.
Will the money discrepancy between the Big Ten and SEC and other conferences become the Siren who will lure ships off course? That's the narrative, but I think we are ten years off from much happening with P5 team movements. And who knows what the world will look like in a decade.
You're cute. The spending war in college athletics isn't going away in the foreseeable future. As the differential below grows there will be more pressure for the most desirable teams to move to the higher earning leagues. The pressure will be felt most keenly by private institutions since they don't have a state to make up the differential between them and the highest paying conferences. The ACC, then, is ripe for movement. Only the potential carrot of a conference network has held it together. I doubt that holds up post the Big 10's new contract.
Conferences – By highest total average revenue 2009-2012
Conf.....Total Revenue ...Total Expense... Football Expense
Big 10 ---- $86,423,474---$78,717,221----$20,630,720
Big 12 ---- $82,727,759---$75,680,959----$19,765,214
SEC... ---- $80,859,162---$76,362,188----$18,982,916
Pac 12 ----$67,793,292---$66,286,549----$18,934,897
ACC...---- $65,437,575---$68,434,818----$19,447,062
American $39,845,559---$39,675,640----$12,062,451
http://winthropintelligence.com/2013/09/30/comparing-revenues-expenses-aq-conferences/
Credit for compiling the data in above chart and for the link to reference article to @Confident Carl. Link
You're cute. The spending war in college athletics isn't going away in the foreseeable future. As the differential below grows there will be more pressure for the most desirable teams to move to the higher earning leagues. The pressure will be felt most keenly by private institutions since they don't have a state to make up the differential between them and the highest paying conferences. The ACC, then, is ripe for movement. Only the potential carrot of a conference network has held it together. I doubt that holds up post the Big 10's new contract.
Conferences – By highest total average revenue 2009-2012
Conf.....Total Revenue ...Total Expense... Football Expense
Big 10 ---- $86,423,474---$78,717,221----$20,630,720
Big 12 ---- $82,727,759---$75,680,959----$19,765,214
SEC... ---- $80,859,162---$76,362,188----$18,982,916
Pac 12 ----$67,793,292---$66,286,549----$18,934,897
ACC...---- $65,437,575---$68,434,818----$19,447,062
American $39,845,559---$39,675,640----$12,062,451
http://winthropintelligence.com/2013/09/30/comparing-revenues-expenses-aq-conferences/
Credit for compiling the data in above chart and for the link to reference article to @Confident Carl. Link
More up to date infoYou're cute. The spending war in college athletics isn't going away in the foreseeable future. As the differential below grows there will be more pressure for the most desirable teams to move to the higher earning leagues. The pressure will be felt most keenly by private institutions since they don't have a state to make up the differential between them and the highest paying conferences. The ACC, then, is ripe for movement. Only the potential carrot of a conference network has held it together. I doubt that holds up post the Big 10's new contract.
Conferences – By highest total average revenue 2009-2012
Conf.....Total Revenue ...Total Expense... Football Expense
Big 10 ---- $86,423,474---$78,717,221----$20,630,720
Big 12 ---- $82,727,759---$75,680,959----$19,765,214
SEC... ---- $80,859,162---$76,362,188----$18,982,916
Pac 12 ----$67,793,292---$66,286,549----$18,934,897
ACC...---- $65,437,575---$68,434,818----$19,447,062
American $39,845,559---$39,675,640----$12,062,451
http://winthropintelligence.com/2013/09/30/comparing-revenues-expenses-aq-conferences/
Credit for compiling the data in above chart and for the link to reference article to @Confident Carl. Link
Keep in mind that the data I posted used 2009-2012 figures and 2014 conference membership. That likely skewed the football expense numbers downward as some of conference mates are still working to bring their programs up to P5 levels. I think the football expense numbers are an indication of the cost of FBS football and the fact that cost isn't impacted by revenue.Interesting. Shows that schools really prioritize football competitiveness over other sports. They will spend to "keep up with the Joneses" in football even if revenue is $21 million less per year. Only when revenue is cut in half (American) is there are 35% reduction in football expenditures.
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