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billybud said:
Maybe...But it also may be naive to think that the Big Ten's added sanctions did not anger PSU football fans. Two years ago, the Big Ten had in place sanctions against PSU...to include no sharing in bowl revenue for 4 years and a 4 year ban from a conference championship game.
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On one hand it did feel a bit like a piling on, but that's not really what angered so many fans. It was the fact that The B1G did not penalize OSU, who was also under NCAA Sanctions at the time, in the same manner. They continued to receive their full bowl pay out, which totaled millions of dollars, despite not being able to contribute to the pot.

Another truly disturbing situation was that The MSU President, a member of the infractions committee, consistently beat the sanctions drum louder than anyone not named Mark Emmert. If ever there was a direct conflict of interest this was it. This would be akin to BC or Syracuse's President having sway over penalties in a UCONN NCAA Case. No Bueno.
 
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
BTM has some info....B10 perception Oklahoma and Texas have never been further apart in their relationship and vision. B10 perception

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
B10 perception: B12 has about 60 days to secure Oklahoma's future in the B12 beyond 2025. Oklahoma & Texas relationship has torn apart

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
Why is this B10 perception? Because Sooners outside of Okkahoma current Admin is baking sure B10 knows this...just like in April.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
The gap has widen between Okkahoma & Texas last 2 months. Boren has working majority on expansion but Texas won't expand B12 exposure-B12N

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
Oklahoma and Texas have always talked...even during 2010 closely. Not now. Both entrenched with 2 different visions. OU not staying silent

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
Again...this B10 perception is being fueld by gossip/info from Sooners (not OU Admin) communicating in unison with B10 Admins. It's real

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
B12 has 60 days to act. To reform itself. Bowlsby knows this...Gee knows this...Starr knows this. Texas giving middle finger to OU.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
What's at stake? If no expansion..if no working B12N...even if it's limited in content by 2017...OU discontinues trying to save B12

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
OU will continue to be a member of B12 if no "Reform" until 2025. But if no reform happens OU will work on viable 2026 alternatives.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
OU wants their own "100 year decision" 1) either B12 reform= Expansion + B12N (even if it's limited) 2) 100 year decision w SEC/B1G in 2026


Trip Manfro ‏@pfac51 8h8 hours ago North Kansas City, MO
@flugempire explain - 60 days.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
@pfac51 by end of FEB B12 needs plans in place for expansion + Future plans seriously talked about for limited B12N...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
Oklahoma wants to make their own "100 year decision" Oklahoma has let everyone know this...Texas...OK ST...Kansas...SEC/B1G....everyone.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
BTM communicated all of this last Spring right before Boren came out in public with his statements..and now BTM has received same info again

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 8h8 hours ago
You should expect Boren to double down again in public after JAN Deregulation vote. Expect it..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 7h7 hours ago
OU commitment on enlarging their Exposure/Pond in which they will live in Academically/Reseach/Athletics goes beyond Boren's tenure.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 7h7 hours ago
The needs and wants of the University of Texas and needs and wants of Oklahoma University in future years are not the same in any measure

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 7h7 hours ago
Oklahoma wants to "Nationalize" their brand and their opportunities while Texas wants status of B12 to remain the same.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 7h7 hours ago
Population/Resource differences is one root cause of the widening gap between visions of Oklahoma University and University of Texas.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 7h7 hours ago
The Sooner - Longhorn widening gap in vision for future is real.

Chad Rice ‏@chad_rice 7h7 hours ago
@flugempire IMO, UT has a mega platform for everything it wants to do. OU is pushing to get there and believes UT is keeping a thumb on them

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 7h7 hours ago
@chad_rice Good way of putting it...yes
 
Russell Evans ‏@rssll5 7h7 hours ago Katy, TX
@flugempire I'd expect that UT might try and "call the OU bluff" to avoid expansion and see if they can mend fences w/ OU by 2026

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 7h7 hours ago
@rssll5 Could be happening. OU will have options in 2026...and will work on that starting years before end game of 2026.

Aaron ‏@posas13 6h6 hours ago
@flugempire @rssll5 what would a buyout cost for remaining 9 years?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 4h4 hours ago
@posas13 @rssll5 Buyouts not possible. OU world will change in 2026 if B12 does not reform after meeting late JAN/FEB.

Andy smith ‏@Doctor_alesmith 4h4 hours ago Minnesota, USA
@flugempire @posas13 you can not buy out but I would love to see the court battle of a conference essentially tries to bankrupt a school

BostonCoug ‏@BostonCoug 7h7 hours ago
@flugempire that conference is such a cluster. What other conference fights things out publicly. I blame Texas

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 7h7 hours ago
@BostonCoug The relationships between tOSU/MICH...UCLA/USC/STAN...ALA/LSU/AUB/UGA/FLA....UNC/DUKE/FSU are tense at times..but not like this

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
Been asked great question. Why would no movement on B12 expansion and no move toward a planned limited but real B12N in next 60 days keep...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
...OU in place for 9 years? 1) OU realizes that there will be no better storm of issues that would spur B12 reform in next decade vs 2016/17

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
2) Big 12 GOR is real. Oklahoma not going to tangle with the Grants of Rights issue...won't even talk directly with SEC/B1G/PAC = violation

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 58m58 minutes ago
@flugempire Direct talk, no. But that's just semantics.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 56m56 minutes ago
@pfh1964 Correct. Indirect talks going on constantly. But no direct talks.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 55m55 minutes ago
@flugempire I, honestly, don't think it will be that long. I think they force that elephant in the room to or get off the pot.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
But for this reason, and others, Boren elected to talk last Spring in public...and will again in Mid-Late JAN on B12 needing to move forward

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 59m59 minutes ago
I understand there are many who believe OU is not serious about a reformed expanded Big 12 or else they will bolt. You will be reminded

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
There are "Sooner People" outside of Admin that is communicating to others in B12...it's time to expand footprint and cast off disadvantages

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
And same "Sooner People" are communicating outside of B12 with same message. Listen to Bowlsby's public words. He knows....he knows.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 58m58 minutes ago
In a little more than 3 weeks Oklahoma will make its voice heard again. B10 perceptions on this comes from volumes of chatter..not 1 voice.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 57m57 minutes ago
We will talk about this again in 3 weeks.

Michael Littman ‏@MichaelLittman 1h1 hour ago Kentucky, USA
@flugempire remind me why Cincinnati and Houston aren't automatic.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 56m56 minutes ago
@MichaelLittman As of now...according to B10 perceptions on where B12 stands before Deregulation vote UC & UH not automatic..

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 56m56 minutes ago
@MichaelLittman ...however they are 2 of 3 leading candidates. As of now...and it's been this way since October

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 39m39 minutes ago
There are reasons we were able to notify you all B12 Wrestling Expansion long before it happened..why we described Boren frustrations...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 39m39 minutes ago
...right before Boren made it public in Spring. Same voices...same reasons why Boren will speak again with bold colors after Dereg vote.
 
Luke Kingsley ‏@lukekingsley · 29m29 minutes ago
@flugempire What do you think of Pete Thamel's top 4 in his article?:
1) BYU
2) Cincinnati
3) UConn
4) Colorado State


Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire @lukekingsley
Are info differs greatly. B10 perception is different. We shall see...
 
If you think like a normal human being or if you have access to a map showing major cities and television markets, you come up with UConn having more value than Boise or Cincy or a school located in a Utah desert.
 
Fishy said:
If you think like a normal human being or if you have access to a map showing major cities and television markets, you come up with UConn having more value than Boise or Cincy or a school located in a Utah desert.
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The only map that Big 12 Presidents have been given to use by Bowlsby for conference realignment purposes is printed on a place mat depicting all the locations of Ponderosa Steakhouses in the state of Texas.
 
jostar1 said:
Luke Kingsley ‏@lukekingsley · 29m29 minutes ago
@flugempire What do you think of Pete Thamel's top 4 in his article?:
1) BYU
2) Cincinnati
3) UConn
4) Colorado State


Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire @lukekingsley
Are info differs greatly. B10 perception is different. We shall see...
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Two eastern two western good markets and fan bases that will show up big time for a major conference
 
Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
Strange perhaps, but Tramel's take on UCONN reflects a simple lack of knowledge regarding the university's academic status and massive advancement in recent decades. Unfortunately, Tramel's not alone nationally and the same applies to a lesser extent regarding Connecticut's large NY market and New Haven/Hartford internet and TV eyes.
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I've been saying that on this board for years. UConn is not perceived nationally they way most of you think it is. It's looked at more like a glorified version of U Maine or UNH, a small public school in nowhereville, by the average college football fan. If not for basketball success we'd be nearly unknown.

You can gripe about BC all you want...but the average college football fan in Texas knows Doug Flutie and BC has some history. We needed to start D1 football at least a decade earlier and we are paying for that still.
 
Population: Texas 26+ million and growing about 6% per year. Oklahoma < 4 million, growing but by only 3% or so;
Academics: UT very well respected with huge research dollar$ supported by massive endowment. OU: not as impressive.
Beyond UT's big stick up its' arse, any wonder why OU's motivated for changes?
 
Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel · Dec 27
A long look at the Big 12's future. Will they expand? Will they have a title game? Who would they add? http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-conference-questions-future-expansion-1528668401.html …

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 10h10 hours ago
@SIPeteThamel I was told flatly BYU was out. Otherwise good stuff.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
@pfac51 Despite logic & metrics I think BYU & Memphis lost their HCs after being told they were out.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
@SIPeteThamel's article on Big 12 expansion is nearly exactly what I've been able to find out except for the BYU/UH swap.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
Clearly UH was going to be a hard sell to the Big 12 for the reasons Thamel & I have cited.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV The difference being Starr's belief that UH is another anchor tying UT to the Big 12 & perhaps OU's motivation to stick it to UT.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
UC is a certainty. A partner was promised to WVU & UC is the closest to Morgantown.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
Ultimately UH's Big 12 hopes rest on Jim Abbott's willingness to force UT & TT to vote yes.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
@pfac51 Hou is overly saturated. UH people are rightly proud of their TV numbers this year. The problem is what about 5, 10, 20 year avgs?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
But since we're talking about the Big 12 don't be surprised if that 12th spot isn't open again if Abbott refuses to act.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
UCF has impressed with the Frost hire & Fla is still Fla.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
Memphis has the financial backing & a top 10 football viewing market.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
UCONN would provide the NY market if a B12N ever comes about.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@Orey222 Something I've learned: political ties matter much, much more than fans want to believe or a sane person finds reasonable.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@BrianEaton3 @pfac51 Nobody is adding Houston without political interference. The metrics don't justify it.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@BrianEaton3 @pfac51 ACC? No way... The possibility UH gets a look from a P5 conf other than B12 is 0.0%.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@pfac51 @BrianEaton3 That's why UH is fighting dirty for B12 membership. They have no other options.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV A subtext in Thamel's story also corroborates something I've said: UT & OU are committed to the Big 12.

Mountaineer Steve‏@Mountaineer_Ste @theDudeofWV I hope you are correct, but I see nothing in Thamel's story overtly or covertly that OU is commited to #BIG12

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
@Mountaineer_Ste Read it again. See the stuff about UT. OU is running the show now.
 
It's the people who have options and are threatening to leave who are most likely to be "running the show". Witness Florida State and the ACC.
 
Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 2h2 hours ago
I don't think it's realistic for Big 12 to expand by more than 2. Presidents tend to want bare minimum movement.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 2h2 hours ago
We should assume that there are 2 spots in the Big 12 at most and that will be it for P5 expansion for a generation.

Mickey Scott‏@mickwithtwins
@frankthetank111 @SIPeteThamel could XII add 4 teams and see TV value? UC SDST BYU & BSU? Adds markets and brands.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
In theory, yes, but if you're on outside looking in, you hope for Big 12 expansion by 4 or 6. Not realistic, though.

Randall.‏@JRC_
@frankthetank111 Big question is: Are B12's expansion options (i.e., BYU, Cincy, Memphis, etc.) palatable to Texas or OU?

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
That's the billion dollar question. OU has been more publicly open to expansion. Texas has many diverging interests

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
Maximizing short-term revenue for UT and OU = no Big 12 expansion. Long-term league stability = Big 12 expansion.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
Notre Dame will not be shut out of the playoffs for not being in a conference. Popular thought, but simply untrue.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
Neither the Big Ten nor SEC want *anything* to do with ND joining the ACC and empowering a direct geographic rival.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
One of my pet peeves in realignment talk is the thought of Notre Dame being "forced" to join a league. It's completely untrue.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
No conference wants Notre Dame to join *a* league. They want ND to join *their* league. Otherwise, they want ND to stay independent.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
It's a disadvantage in the same way that the Big 12 is at a disadvantage w/o a CCG. It's not a concrete wall, though

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
Plus, I deal with a lot of Domers. Independence is a *mentality* for them beyond TV money. No reasoning with them.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
OU would leave for B1G, SEC or Pac-12 in a heartbeat and they'd all invite OU *alone*. Issue is tie to Oklahoma St.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
Unless there is an actual structural rule that you HAVE to be a conference champ to make the playoff, Notre Dame is NOT joining a league.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
Low probability of not making the playoff does not cut it with ND's alums re: independence. They have to have a 0% chance by rule to change.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
As I've explained, a rule locking out independents from the playoff won't occur b/c both B1G and SEC do NOT want ND joining the ACC.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
I deal with Domers everyday. Independence is NOT about football. It's a school *identity*. They are insane about it.

Michael DeCourcy‏@tsnmike
@frankthetank111 Also, would be in courts 5 minutes after rule passed

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
Exactly. Making CFP access for independents and G5 really difficult is one thing. Closing access entirely is another

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 1h1 hour ago
I think the ACC has solid ties. No poaching power like B1G and SEC, but schools genuinely like ACC (unlike Big 12).

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 59m59 minutes ago
As a B1G guy, I'd love to see UVA, UNC, GT & FSU jump here. It's just a lot tougher to poach ACC compared to Big 12.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 57m57 minutes ago
FWIW, I think UVA would be most realistic target for B1G from ACC. UNC harder to poach b/c of Texas-like influence.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 54m54 minutes ago
It's a catch-22. ACC only dies if UNC leaves, but UNC won't leave unless the ACC is dead.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 53m53 minutes ago
Duke is *extremely* valuable. B1G and SEC would take UNC/Duke combo immediately. Not the same as OU/OSU.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 52m52 minutes ago
In fact, both the B1G and SEC would take Duke by itself. Duke basketball is what ND FB was for prior generations.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 50m50 minutes ago
Hoops matter very little (and I say that as a hoops guy), but UNC and Duke are 2 schools that are key in that front.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 50m50 minutes ago
From B1G view, getting into North Carolina is big for football for long-term demographic growth and recruiting.

Colby Moorberg‏@ColbyDigsSoil
@frankthetank111 @BunkerF16 You underestimate the impact the NC congress would have if UNC would try to leave the same conference as NCSU.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 49m49 minutes ago
Oh, I personally don't think UNC is moving from ACC at all. Texas is much more likely to leave Big 12 by comparison.

BunkerF16‏@BunkerF16
@frankthetank111 No way B1G takes Duke by itself....CBB nowhere near $$ CFB is..I can see UNC/Duke, B1G would rather UNC and GT (ATL market)

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 47m47 minutes ago
If the Big Ten would take Rutgers for a TV market, they would take Duke for *many* reasons. Not a doubt in my mind.

NC‏@JabbsNNJ
What are the reasons?

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 32m32 minutes ago
Elite academics, #1 national TV hoops draw, large state delivered for BTN, great recruiting area for both FB and BB

tuart Waugh‏@sg2waugh
@frankthetank111 Can't see Duke being first ACC school to move. Somebody else has to break the seal. B1G/SEC must pick another strategically

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 30m30 minutes ago
I agree, although if I were Jim Delany, I'd send out feelers for a UVA/Duke combo.

Adam Gold ‏@AGoldFan 29m29 minutes ago
@frankthetank111 what in the heck makes you think any ACC team is leaving let alone Duke? I love expansion talk, too. But please.

Adam Gold ‏@AGoldFan 24m24 minutes ago
@frankthetank111 and then you thought Delany should send out feelers for a UVA-Duke combo. Again, I LOVE this game of Risk, too. But, c'mon

Adam Gold ‏@AGoldFan 22m22 minutes ago
@frankthetank111 Grant of Rights should end any speculation. Plus, the league I'd say was most vulnerable to poachers would be the B12

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 27m27 minutes ago
I personally don't think anyone from the ACC is leaving. Just responding about value of Duke.
 
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