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djct1999 said:
This article is about some of the players being recruited by agents. Who cares. I want to know how uncle Wes and the squid funneled money to players to have ten of them go to Kentucky each year. I care more about schools buying recruits than I do agents buying clients.

Diamond Stone didn't choose Maryland because Andy Miller gave him 10k. He went because Kevin Plank gave him 100.
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I have a friend who is a baseball agent who spoke with the FBI.

He said to know this and report it would require witness protection.
 
South Carolina must be pond scum. Or have a death wish. How can you take Bowen knowing what is out there from Louisville?

As for Chillious, if there is a hint of him being involved, and I think it is at best borderline now, he needs to just go. Though that might well happen anyway if Ollie goes.
 
selles said:
And so it begins...

Exclusive: Federal documents detail sweeping potential NCAA violations involving high-profile players, schools
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Jeez his Quickbooks balance sheet looks like a Whos Who of college and NBA basketball. Did he ever think that wouldn't be discoverable? While this is a federal investigation and FBI will likely ask the NCAA to stay back so as to not corrupt their investigation it will be interesting to see how the NCAA responds to this. I definitely see downstream penalties for UCONN however.
 
Who Ha said:
NCAA cooked. To salvage any credibility they have to drop any frivolous investigations and go hard. When the first reports came out many said nothing would come of this. I said this is not Emmert protecting the status quo a federal probe made it a whole new ballgame.
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The NCAA will not be allowed to "go after" any aspect of the Feds case. They should however line up their own legal team because they will have a lot to answer to.
 
Edward Sargent said:
The NCAA will not be allowed to "go after" any aspect of the Feds case. They should however line up their own legal team because they will have a lot to answer to.
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Very good point. My real statement is they are done. Call it lack of institutional control. Congress may get involved due to tax exempt status. A new organization will rise from the ashes.
 
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UConnStats said:
This doesn’t really condemn the schools as much as it is a player agent relationship. I don’t think much will come from this, but it may lead to more findings down the road.
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I agree, too many big P5 schools involved. It would hurt the NCAA too much in the wallet. They will take the position, they don’t want to muddy up the FBI’s investigation or simply the schools were out of the loop. If there is overwhelming evidence against a particular school they might make an example out of one of the usual suspects. Pitino at this point would be easy.

Anything to save corrupt Mark Emmert’s butt.
 
Purple Stein said:
Calipari to the Kings or the Clippers. Book it.
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This wouldn't shock me in the slightest. almost expecting it at this point. Calipari will be the first coach in history to lead 3 ncaa programs to vacated wins/ncaa sanctions!
 
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crazyUCfan23 said:
I don't know for sure, but I would assume that this is much more widespread in bball than football only because the majority of really good players only spend 1 or maybe 2 years in college. Also, 1 player is capable of making a much bigger impact in bball than football.
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College football is, and always has been corrupt down to it's core. However, I doubt that it's corruption involves a handful of major actors, acting on a wide scale. Instead, college football has hundreds, maybe even thousands of of cheaters, acting in behalf of their favorite school. It's not shoe companies, but the local car dealer funneling $10,000 to a player to go to his alma mater. The no work job, etc.
 
I'm not buying the apocalyptic spin some are putting on this. This is not as big a story as some think and it's not going to cause seismic change. Current players who are involved will be ruled ineligible (the NCAA doesn't have a choice there) and maybe a school or two get a postseason ban. More forfeited wins (who cares?), schools and coaches will feign ignorance, and there will be a series of empty statements expressing sorrow and regret from all parties.

The NCAA is not going to destroy Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, and Michigan State. It's the NCAA; this is about money, it always has been and it always will be. You don't cut the head off your cash cow. As usual, they'll make up the rules and punishment as they go and will save their most important assets.
 
So I guess the biggest question is what does the NCAA do with this, right? What makes a player ineligible in this case? Is it the amateurism aspect? If the agents are funneling money to recruits, the claim is they aren't taking money to go to a certain school, rather they took the money as a "loan" with the agency hoping to sign them post college (and the NCAA cant prove the school had any involvement), is that player considered no longer an amateur and ineligible? Or as people stated above, if schools and university officials have done their part distancing themselves from the obvious $$ tree, will they all get off scot free? When Michigan State plays in the final four with a player who is now known to have taken money, will the public outcry be enough to do something about it?

I assume since this just broke, statements from schools and the NCAA are being formulated today and we can sit back and enjoy (as long as we aren't implicated).
 
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spudzj6 said:
So I guess the biggest question is what does the NCAA do with this, right? What makes a player ineligible in this case? Is it the amateurism aspect? If the agents are funneling money to recruits, the claim is they aren't taking money to go to a certain school, rather they took the money as a "loan" with the agency hoping to sign them post college (and the NCAA cant prove the school had any involvement), is that player considered no longer an amateur and ineligible? Or as people stated above, if schools and university officials have done their part distancing themselves from the obvious $$ tree, will they all get off scot free? When Michigan State plays in the final four with a player who is now known to have taken money, will the public outcry be enough to do something about it?

I assume since this just broke, statements from schools and the NCAA are being formulated today and we can sit back and enjoy (as long as we aren't implicated).
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yeah, the fact that so many of these are called "loans" makes me wonder.

But then again, isn't leveraging your future earnings potential as an athlete a violation of the NCAA's amateurism rules? Didn't lebron get in trouble for that when his mom used his future earnings to get a mortgage or something crazy like that (not that it was gonna matter anyway)?
 
UConnSwag11 said:
There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke,
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djct1999 said:
This article is about some of the players being recruited by agents. Who cares. I want to know how uncle Wes and the squid funneled money to players to have ten of them go to Kentucky each year. I care more about schools buying recruits than I do agents buying clients.

Diamond Stone didn't choose Maryland because Andy Miller gave him 10k. He went because Kevin Plank gave him 100.
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Who cares?... the players will still be ineligible, and title could still come down... 2015 Duke.
 
Taking money from an agent is a clear violation of NCAA rules. Not even a question. My sense is this will be something like the steroid era in baseball. Eventually it will be cleaned up some with many more players going to a reformatted g league with baseball style contracts. It won’t get 100% of the money out of the system but it will definitely reduce it by a lot.

In a perfect world the NCAA would declare everyone who shows up on one of these lists as ineligible and go forward from there them make some rule that greatly reduces the 1-done system (eg if a player leaves early you can’t reuse his scholarship until his class graduates would work) Then Emmett could take credit for restoring the system.
 
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djct1999 said:
Absolutely. Only one lazy, sloppy coach would get directly involved. I see you Rick! But they all know what is going on. Coach K knows, even if he chooses to turn a blind eye. The case of Duke is linear. Go back and trace when they became average to when they started out recruiting Kentucky. How did that happen? Straight cash homie. Look at Zion Williamson. Anytime a recruit like that pulls a last minute surprise, someone got involved behind the scenes.
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You mean those athletes didn't enroll at Duke for the top notch education and the prestigious reputation.
 
spudzj6 said:
So I guess the biggest question is what does the NCAA do with this, right? What makes a player ineligible in this case? Is it the amateurism aspect? If the agents are funneling money to recruits, the claim is they aren't taking money to go to a certain school, rather they took the money as a "loan" with the agency hoping to sign them post college (and the NCAA cant prove the school had any involvement), is that player considered no longer an amateur and ineligible? Or as people stated above, if schools and university officials have done their part distancing themselves from the obvious $$ tree, will they all get off scot free? When Michigan State plays in the final four with a player who is now known to have taken money, will the public outcry be enough to do something about it?

I assume since this just broke, statements from schools and the NCAA are being formulated today and we can sit back and enjoy (as long as we aren't implicated).
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I would guess the loan would be classified as an "impermissible benefit".
 
freescooter said:
South Carolina must be pond scum. Or have a death wish. How can you take Bowen knowing what is out there from Louisville?

As for Chillious, if there is a hint of him being involved, and I think it is at best borderline now, he needs to just go. Though that might well happen anyway if Ollie goes.
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Who hired Chill? He needs to go to :rolleyes:
 
UConnSwag11 said:
But what does that have to do with uconn? Unless he’s done it at uconn too
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Potential punishment could impact UConn - UConn could decide to terminate (would not be surprised if this happens anyway if KO is let go), not permitted to be involved in recruiting if retained as coach... I guess we'll see......
 
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