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oldude said:
The PR I am referring to would be the uproar that would develop should the NCAA grant one waiver request and not the other for each of the two TN transfers. Reporters would call them out on it and, if the waiver not granted was Evina’s, they would be dealing with one angry Italian who would be an absolute bear to deal with. Finally, Eva Westbrook doesn’t strike me as a shrinking violet. I think she would go after the NCAA with everything she has in support of her daughter.
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We're dealing with the NCAA here. They don't care. Emmert would merely be amused if Geno goes ballistic.
 
CocoHusky said:
What do you consider a "fair" decision?
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Follow the rules all the time. IMO, the NCAA is not consistent in regards to non graduate transfers and that is what has lead to the confusion.
 
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Makes sense that Marta would go from an Academic school to another (Notre Dame). Also her major is American Studies, not a Hard Science . Don't know what her Major will be at Notre Dame, but they probably have a program that fits her. If it was a Hard Science they may not have. American Studies, might she decide to go to the Notre Dame Law School.





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Orangutan said:
According to one ND reporter, Marta Sniezek to ND is imminent.
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UConnNick said:
We're dealing with the NCAA here. They don't care. Emmert would merely be amused if Geno goes ballistic.
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No, the NCAA really does care about negative publicity, which is one of the reasons why they’ve made arbitrary decisions in the past. I am absolutely certain they will not grant a waiver to one TN player while denying a waiver to the other.
 
Jmsdawg said:
Follow the rules all the time. IMO, the NCAA is not consistent in regards to non graduate transfers and that is what has lead to the confusion.
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That's just it, the NCAA does not have "rules" just a set of guidelines. Additionally the NCAA does not publish any rationale for us to determine how the guidelines were applied. I'm all in favor of a hard fast rule and the elimination of the current guidelines.
 
CocoHusky said:
That's just it, the NCAA does not have "rules" just a set of guidelines. Additionally the NCAA does not publish any rationale for us to determine how the guidelines were applied. I'm all in favor of a hard fast rule and the elimination of the current guidelines.
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Tend to agree with you, if there are rules they are difficult to understand, especially for non graduate players. One easy way to solve this is treat all transfers the same, I.e., all transfers, including graduates, sit out a year, I personally do not favor a rule like that. I do think graduates should be immediately eligible. I would think a simple way to handle non graduates would be a rule that offers no exceptions, all non graduate transfers sit out 1 year.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Makes sense that Marta would go from an Academic school to another (Notre Dame). Also her major is American Studies, not a Hard Science . Don't know what her Major will be at Notre Dame, but they probably have a program that fits her. If it was a Hard Science they may not have. American Studies, might she decide to go to the Notre Dame Law School.





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I don't know what she intends to study at a grad level in the one year of eligibility that she has. However, ND has an American Studies department, as well, which I know pretty well (my daughter was an Am. Stud. major in 2018). There are numerous other grad programs in the Art's and Letters College that she could pursue, if so inclined. And I've been informed by a McGraw's Bench colleague that ND has a unique grad. degree of business from the Mendoza School of Business.

BTW, here's a link to the (now) official announcement:
Marta Sniezek Transfers to Notre Dame - UND Athletics
 
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Jmsdawg said:
Tend to agree with you, if there are rules they are difficult to understand, especially for non graduate players. One easy way to solve this is treat all transfers the same, I.e., all transfers, including graduates, sit out a year, I personally do not favor a rule like that. I do think graduates should be immediately eligible. I would think a simple way to handle non graduates would be a rule that offers no exceptions, all non graduate transfers sit out 1 year.
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I have some other guidelines in mind that could be implemented as rules:
1) Coaching Changes- If the Coach leaves or get fired transferred players should be made immediate eligible vs. the current guideline that says "circumstances beyond the control of the player".
2) Hardship-if you transfer closer to your home location you should be immediately eligible vs. most of the exceptions that are in place for parents job transfers or sick relatives, etc.
3) Academic- If you left your old school in good academic standing and progress towards graduation you should be able play immediately at the new school vs. the current farce which the NCAA pretends and has the nerve to call "year in academic residence". Alternately the NCAA could implemented a GPA cutoff- (2.67 or B-). Above the line means immediate eligibility.
4) Old school get no say- Eliminate the guideline where the old school can block the request for immediate eligibility.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Makes sense that Marta would go from an Academic school to another (Notre Dame). Also her major is American Studies, not a Hard Science . Don't know what her Major will be at Notre Dame, but they probably have a program that fits her. If it was a Hard Science they may not have. American Studies, might she decide to go to the Notre Dame Law School.





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I believe the rule regarding grad transfers requires them to major in a field of study not available as a grad major at their former school. It doesn't appear difficult to do, but I imagine there may be grad transfers that majored in something they didn't particularly care about or need.
 
CocoHusky said:
I have some other guidelines in mind that could be implemented as rules:
1) Coaching Changes- If the Coach leaves or get fired transferred players should be made immediate eligible vs. the current guideline that says "circumstances beyond the control of the player".
2) Hardship-if you transfer closer to your home location you should be immediately eligible vs. most of the exceptions that are in place for parents job transfers or sick relatives, etc.
3) Academic- If you left your old school in good academic standing and progress towards graduation you should be able play immediately at the new school vs. the current farce which the NCAA pretends and has the nerve to call "year in academic residence". Alternately the NCAA could implemented a GPA cutoff- (2.67 or B-). Above the line means immediate eligibility.
4) Old school get no say- Eliminate the guideline where the old school can block the request for immediate eligibility.
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I think it is the exceptions which cause the confusion. For example, why should a coach change automatically make a transfer eligible? Also, the losing school invested, supposedly, in the development of the player, why should they not have a say especially if that development is taken form them by a rival? I would lean more toward an exception that considered playing time, if a player is not likely to play even a limited role in her present team game activities then should she be granted immediate eligibility. Guess what I am saying is exceptions led to confusion and interpretation, either let all non graduate transfers be eligible or make them all sit out a year.
 
Need to remember that not all NCAA sports have a requirement that transfers sit out a year. Perhaps the better question is why the difference among sports?
 
Jmsdawg said:
I think it is the exceptions which cause the confusion. For example, why should a coach change automatically make a transfer eligible? Also, the losing school invested, supposedly, in the development of the player, why should they not have a say especially if that development is taken form them by a rival? I would lean more toward an exception that considered playing time, if a player is not likely to play even a limited role in her present team game activities then should she be granted immediate eligibility. Guess what I am saying is exceptions led to confusion and interpretation, either let all non graduate transfers be eligible or make them all sit out a year.
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Q: For example, why should a coach change automatically make a transfer eligible?
Because the coach that recruited you and the one you agreed to play for is gone. You now have to make a decision if you want to play for someone who did not or might not have recruited you.

Q: Also, the losing school invested, supposedly, in the development of the player, why should they not have a say especially if that development is taken form them by a rival?
A: Because this is the rule for all other college students. Non-athletes transfer at a greater rate than NCAA athletes. When than bright young student in the Chemistry department at Mississippi State decides to transfer is there someone telling him or her no you can't go to Ole Miss?
Should UCONN have been able to stop AEH from attending Mississippi States- you guys did ruin a perfect UCONN season.
Should TN be able to say no to Westbrook because TN has a rivalry with UCONN-allegedly.

C: I would lean more toward an exception that considered playing time, if a player is not likely to play even a limited role in her present team game activities then should she be granted immediate eligibility.
R: I would oppose this. "Not likely to play even a limited role, should have been factored into the decision to attend that school in the first place not a transfer decision. My experience is that as part of the recruiting process there are candid discussions/projections of roles, starting, depth chart etc. If a player is not living up to their projected role why reward then?

C: Guess what I am saying is exceptions led to confusion and interpretation, either let all non graduate transfers be eligible or make them all sit out a year.
R: I agree that's why I proposing are black and white rules=no exceptions.
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I think all players should be able to transfer without sitting out no matter the circumstance, the only exceptions would be if you transfer within the same conference or if you were dismissed for behavior. This is if I were the head of NCAA committee and I’m not so...
 
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Dillon77 said:
Re: "The NCAA has ruled differently for two players transferring from the same school before."
The lack of explanation will make for more BY musings of unfairness, UCONN bias, ND favoritism, etc

And the NCAA has ruled differently for two players transferring into the same school before. While it was a different sport, the ND athletic department -- at virtually the same time period as Jess Shepard -- also put a petition into the NCAA for immediate eligibility for Alohi Gilman, a safety who transferred from the Naval Academy, a school that Notre Dame might have the closest working relationship with over the years.
It was denied and although there was talk of appealing (see link), Gilman didn't play that year. However, he joined the Irish the next year and was a huge contributor to the defensive backfield. Once again, who knows why one and not the other, but I bring it up to show one particular school also wins some, loses some.

Notre Dame safety Alohi Gilman denied immediate eligibility

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Well I completely disagree with your post!
1. ND and Navy DEFINITELY have the closest working relationship going back to WW2 and it is an awesome relationship at that! Kudos to both institutions.
2. The Jessica Shepard waiver is mythical here in the Boneyard where truth and fact never get in the way of a good conspiracy narrative. Shepard tried to make the new coaching regime at Nebraska work after the Yori situation but elected to move on and the Nebraska coaches and school endorsed her transfer. IMO, the NCAA would have ruled her eligible anywhere, Unfortunately for us, it was to ND. Therefore we BYers complain about it for illogical reasons.
I started out my response in jest as I do agree and understand your post. While I care greatly for my peers here, the perceived bias, favoritisms and conspiracies are a bit extreme. I do enjoy poking fun at the myth but I do not for one second believe it. Now if the NCAA denies Evina, well that’s another story....:mad:
 
DefenseBB said:
2. The Jessica Shepard waiver is mythical here in the Boneyard where truth and fact never get in the way of a good conspiracy narrative. Shepard tried to make the new coaching regime at Nebraska work after the Yori situation but elected to move on and the Nebraska coaches and school endorsed her transfer. IMO, the NCAA would have ruled her eligible anywhere, Unfortunately for us, it was to ND. Therefore we BYers complain about it for illogical reasons.
I started out my response in jest as I do agree and understand your post. While I care greatly for my peers here, the perceived bias, favoritisms and conspiracies are a bit extreme. I do enjoy poking fun at the myth but I do not for one second believe it. Now if the NCAA denies Evina, well that’s another story....:mad:
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No conspiracy theory here, but if Shepard's case was such a no-brainer, then why did the NCAA originally decline the waiver request and only approve it after ND appealed?
 
CocoHusky said:
Q: For example, why should a coach change automatically make a transfer eligible?
Because the coach that recruited you and the one you agreed to play for is gone. You now have to make a decision if you want to play for someone who did not or might not have recruited you.
Coco, what if a coach dies, decides to take another job, just decides to retire, or an assistant coach, your coach, decides to leave, can the player transfer with immediate eligibility!
Q: Also, the losing school invested, supposedly, in the development of the player, why should they not have a say especially if that development is taken form them by a rival?
A: Because this is the rule for all other college students. Non-athletes transfer at a greater rate than NCAA athletes. When than bright young student in the Chemistry department at Mississippi State decides to transfer is there someone telling him or her no you can't go to Ole Miss?
Should UCONN have been able to stop AEH from attending Mississippi States- you guys did ruin a perfect UCONN season.
Should TN be able to say no to Westbrook because TN has a rivalry with UCONN-allegedly.
Lots of difference between ordinary student and athletic scholarship student, the ordinary chemistry student leaving school does not affect the university chemistry department but a basketball transfer can, as for AEH, I never have understood the difference between Promise Taylor sitting a year and AEH not. I suppose you are referring to the semi final loss but that is just basketball. Westbrook, do not know but it is my understanding that today that is the case.
C: I would lean more toward an exception that considered playing time, if a player is not likely to play even a limited role in her present team game activities then should she be granted immediate eligibility.
R: I would oppose this. "Not likely to play even a limited role, should have been factored into the decision to attend that school in the first place not a transfer decision. My experience is that as part of the recruiting process there are candid discussions/projections of roles, starting, depth chart etc. If a player is not living up to their projected role why reward then?
I do not think any player, good enough to be recruited by an elite team, really expects to sit on the bench but HS and elite college basketball are different games and I certainly do not see transferring from an elite team, in essence admitting you are not as good as you thought, is a reward for the player.
C: Guess what I am saying is exceptions led to confusion and interpretation, either let all non graduate transfers be eligible or make them all sit out a year.
R: I agree that's why I proposing are black and white rules=no exceptions.
Again exceptions lead to confusion. Sitting out a year, without losing any eligibility, allows the player and university time to evaluate the player and team chemistry.
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re: Shepard, then why wasn't Chandler Smith granted immediate eligibility when she transferred from Nebraska to Gonzaga? She had to sit a year.
 
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j66kicker said:
No conspiracy theory here, but if Shepard's case was such a no-brainer, then why did the NCAA originally decline the waiver request and only approve it after ND appealed?
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The conspiracy theory postulates that only ND would receive the waiver, which we don’t know. If you want to put together a full list waiver requests, denials and appeals with only ND being granted than we can agree.
Until that point, to say there is bias is silly.
 
triaddukefan said:
any new transfers?
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tfw you just joined Notre Dame but they're still talking about Jess Shepard

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"Go on tell me more about the waiver process. I'm fascinated, I promise."
 
Orangutan said:
tfw you just joined Notre Dame but they're still talking about Jess Shepard

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"Go on tell me more about the waiver process. I'm fascinated, I promise."
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No offense to any Irish fans.... but thats a ugly shirt... again... no offense. Im a big under armour supporter.... but when it comes to college apparel, they dont do a good job.
 
triaddukefan said:
No offense to any Irish fans.... but thats a ugly shirt... again... no offense. Im a big under armour supporter.... but when it comes to college apparel, they dont do a good job.
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Haha. I use Under Armour stuff a lot to work out, and some of it has migrated into my casual wear, since their lightweight heat gear is comfy here in the AZ desert. But there are just some things that Christian Dior, Ralph Loren or Gianni Versace couldn’t dress up.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Is this becoming a habit? First Thompson, now this.
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Yes, Stanford PGs who are looking for a change of venue after graduation seem to wind up at Notre Dame. I believe that, in Marta's case at least, there was no scholarship for her to return to Stanford.
 
nwhoopfan said:
re: Shepard, then why wasn't Chandler Smith granted immediate eligibility when she transferred from Nebraska to Gonzaga? She had to sit a year.
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Chandler Smith transferred BEFORE the coaching change at Nebraska and before the NCAA starting getting tidal waves of transfers, losing it's draconian grip on illogical rules. Smith left after the14-15 season and Natalie Romeo left after the 15-16 season (Yori was fired) and was granted immediate playing at UW (as you well know). Shepard gave the new coaches a year (2016-17) then asked to transfer. 3 players, 1 left before a coaching change and before the alleged (and supported) abuse came to light, 2 left after it was publicized. To me, this is exactly why the NCAA should grant immediate eligibility-you never know the reasons why players and in this case one was penalized unfairly. :)
 
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