New PAC-12 Forming

[huskymedic]

 

[UConnJim]

Who are those 3? UNLV is a maybe, can't imagine they want anyone else.

UNLV, Utah St., and New Mexico. Utah St. has 2 top 25 football finishes in the past 6 years and they have gone to the NCAA basketball tournament 4 time in the past 6 years. Long standing rivalries with Utah and BYU, 2 P4 schools. And, Utah is the fastest growing state. New Mexico is a flagship state university with decent basketball.

 

[Gburyhusky]

This Pac/Mountain West scenario is really the epitome of the worst aspects of conference realignment. The Mountain West was a good G5 conference and now they are getting picked apart to create another G5 conference with less regional appeal and maybe a slightly better TV deal? And schools like UTSA are now somehow key pieces of the maneuvering? I guess it makes sense for Wash State and Oregon State but I don't see how it helps anyone else.

 

[gioff2323]

UNLV, Utah St., and New Mexico. Utah St. has 2 top 25 football finishes in the past 6 years and they have gone to the NCAA basketball tournament 4 time in the past 6 years. Long standing rivalries with Utah and BYU, 2 P4 schools. And, Utah is the fastest growing state. New Mexico is a flagship state university with decent basketball.

If they want to take a shot at former members they go with Colorado State, Utah state and New Mexico (which runs btw az and west Texas), giving those schools a better chance to compete with their neighbors. And sure throw unlv in to create link to conf tournament venues.

But USF? Is that a chip to trade with ACC to get StanCal back? Wtf

 

[Dooooooomed]

So South Florida may very well end up in the PAC, while Stanford and Syracuse are playing an ACC football game tonight. Yet UConn joining the Big 12 is too big a stretch for pundits & presidents to wrap their heads around...

 

[NowInStorrs]

So South Florida may very well end up in the PAC, while Stanford and Syracuse are playing an ACC football game tonight. Yet UConn joining the Big 12 is too big a stretch for pundits & presidents to wrap their heads around...

And some UConn "fans" as well apparently

 

[huskymedic]

 

[NH Husky]

So South Florida may very well end up in the PAC, while Stanford and Syracuse are playing an ACC football game tonight. Yet UConn joining the Big 12 is too big a stretch for pundits & presidents to wrap their heads around...

These are all just interim arrangements until the final design is reached. ADs know what their institutions goals and objectives are and are postering to best achieve those while paying the bills. None will last long term. Its fan bases that bring the revenue and need to be satisfied in order to reach max profitability.
If you put FSU and Clemson in the SEC, 29 of the last 30 football national championships have been won by current P2 schools.
I see the logical result being tiered conferences set up by major sports. Football, basketball, baseball, hockey.

Football. Tier 1 is top 36-40 national brands, mostly current P2 plus minus a few. These are the schools that will do almost anything to win including sign stealing, police bribing, etc. UConn is not that type of school and personally I’m not interested in being their weekly patsies (hello Rutgers) with half plus attendance consisting of their fans.
Tier 2 next 80 to 100 schools is where we’d fit. Interesting and competitive regional rivalries. We belong in a football conference playing BC, UMass, Syracuse, Pitt, WV, etc.
Tier 3,4 etc

Hoops. Top 200 teams with 64 team tournament. Or 48. Tiers as needed. We are obviously in the highest tier here. A tournament with just P2 schools is no better than current conference tourneys and winner could make no claim of being the best team in the country. Won’t work.

Hockey, baseball, Olympics etc whatever. Regional conferences would cut back on travel expenses and allow for more scholarships.

Revenue sharing equitable at tiers. Regs preventing cross sports expenditures. Level playing field by tier. Happier and more engaged fans.

The thought that college athletics or football will consist only of 40 ish mostly Midwest and Southern schools and command the nations interest is ridiculous.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

If they want to take a shot at former members they go with Colorado State, Utah state and New Mexico (which runs btw az and west Texas), giving those schools a better chance to compete with their neighbors. And sure throw unlv in to create link to conf tournament venues.

But USF? Is that a chip to trade with ACC to get StanCal back? Wtf

USF, Memphis ,Tulane my play the PAC to get into the ACC

 

[buddy]

USF, Memphis ,Tulane my play the PAC to get into the ACC

I wonder why these schools get invited to conferences, but UConn never does.

 

[Hoophound]

Because we wouldn’t join it for all sports if asked. We’d only join for football. They don’t want that.

 

[buddy]

USF, Memphis ,Tulane my play the PAC to get into the ACC

They can still go to the ACC after they get into the PAC when the new ACC GOR expires in 2030 and it gives them a chance to improve their resumes even more. In the meantime, UConn will be sitting on the sidelines monitoring.

 

[B12]

You are living in a dream world your contract comes up long before the ACC.
You also don't make as much money, and lost your 2 best teams to the SEC.
The Big12 will be picked apart at your new contract in 2031, if not before.

I have no affiliation with the B12.

Doubtful. There is nothing left for the B1G or SEC to pick. The only value on that level that is left is in the ACC or named Notre Dame.

ESPN is pulling strings right now. IT's just a matter of them using the look in next year to make the ACC happy or the ACC lawsuits playing out with the end result being schools leaving. The schools can either leave for the SEC, B1G, or B12. Some will go B12 IMO.

I don't see any reason why the SEC or B1G would take any current B12 schools. Maybe KU to the B1G as a longshot?? That seems unlikely. The value is in the ACC. TV ratings confirm this.

 

[B12]

If all the B12 schools are in the same situation as UConn now, I am pretty sure they would be worth even less than what UConn is being paid right now.

This troll has no clue how media contracts work. Thank God Yormark isn't an idiot who thinks like that.

The Big 12 schools are all worth about 30 million on TV. UConn is worth about 6 Million for oly sports and 500k for FB based on the current contract.

The TV ratings are clear.
THROUGH WEEK 3 (Listed in millions of viewers)

TOTAL
104.20 - SEC (30)
65.36 - Big Ten (43)
48.68 - ACC (22)
45.36 - Big 12 (30)
14.86 - MWC (20)
11.29 - MAC (10)
10.83 - AAC (13)
3.94 - CUSA (6)
3.22 - Sun Belt (10)

AVERAGE PER SCHOOL
6.513 - SEC (1.9)
3.631 - Big Ten (2.4)
2.864 - ACC (1.3)
2.835 - Big 12 (1.9)
1.238 - MWC (1.7)
0.941 - MAC (0.8)
0.774 - AAC (0.9)
0.394 - CUSA (0.6)
0.230 - Sun Belt (0.7)

AVERAGE PER GAME
3.473 - SEC
2.213 - ACC
1.520 - Big Ten
1.512 - Big 12
1.129 - MAC
0.833 - AAC
0.743 - MWC
0.657 - CUSA
0.322 - Sun Belt

BIG 12
13.68 - Colorado (3)
4.14 - West Virginia (2)
3.53 - Arizona (2)
3.37 - Kansas State (2)
3.11 - Oklahoma State (2)
2.60 - Iowa State (2)
2.52 - TCU (2)
2.21 - Baylor (2)
2.19 - Arizona State (3)
2.16 - Kansas (2)
2.08 - Utah (1)
1.30 - Texas Tech (2)
1.03 - UCF (1)
0.92 - BYU (1)
0.35 - Cincinnati (2)
0.17 - Houston (1)

ACC
11.02 - Florida State (3)
7.58 - Clemson (1)
6.35 - Miami (1)
4.99 - Georgia Tech (1)
4.44 - Boston College (1)
2.96 - NC State (1)
2.06 - California (2)
1.86 - Virginia Tech (2)
1.83 - North Carolina (1)
1.53 - Pittsburgh (3)
1.49 - Stanford (1)
0.92 - SMU (1)
0.78 - Wake Forest (2)
0.51 - Duke (1)
0.36 - Virginia (1)
0.00 - Louisville (0)
0.00 - Syracuse (0)

BIG TEN
12.73 - Michigan (3)
9.21 - USC (2)
7.79 - Nebraska (3)
6.53 - Wisconsin (3)
4.69 - Ohio State (2)
3.47 - Penn State (2)
3.22 - Oregon (2)
3.03 - Iowa (3)
2.58 - Purdue (2)
2.42 - UCLA (2)
2.15 - Minnesota (2)
1.61 - Michigan State (3)
1.58 - Indiana (3)
1.11 - Northwestern (3)
0.95 - Illinois (2)
0.86 - Washington (2)
0.75 - Rutgers (2)
0.68 - Maryland (2)

SEC
14.18 - Georgia (2)
13.56 - LSU (2)
12.72 - Texas A&M (2)
12.51 - Texas (3)
11.15 - Florida (2)
9.46 - Alabama (3)
9.33 - Kentucky (2)
7.67 - South Carolina (2)
3.04 - Oklahoma (2)
2.96 - Tennessee (1)
2.93 - Arkansas (2)
1.78 - Auburn (2)
1.47 - Vanderbilt (2)
1.02 - Mississippi State (2)
0.42 - Mississippi (1)
0.00 - Missouri (0)

AAC
2.58 - South Florida (1)
2.18 - Tulane (2)
1.65 - Temple (1)
1.61 - Memphis (2)
1.50 - UTSA (2)
0.74 - Florida Atlantic (1)
0.31 – Tulsa (1)
0.14 – North Texas (1)
0.08 – East Carolina (1)
0.04 - Charlotte (1)

CUSA
1.85 - Western Kentucky (1)
1.67 - UTEP (1)
0.22 - New Mexico State (2)
0.16 - Liberty (1)
0.04 – Kennesaw State (1)

MAC
3.93 - Northern Illinois (1)
3.45 - Akron (2)
2.68 - Western Michigan (2)
0.55 - Eastern Michigan (1)
0.48 - Bowling Green (1)
0.08 - Kent State (1)
0.07 – Toledo (1)
0.05 – Miami, OH (1)

MWC
5.09 - Colorado State (2)
2.62 - Fresno State (2)
2.12 - New Mexico (3)
1.49 - UNLV (2)
1.13 - Hawaii (1)
1.01 - San Diego State (2)
0.59 - Utah State (1)
0.34 - Wyoming (2)
0.16 - Boise State (1)
0.13 – Air Force (1)
0.11 - San Jose State (2)
0.07 - Nevada (1)

SUN BELT
1.01 - Texas State (2)
0.98 – Arkansas State (1)
0.47 - Troy (2)
0.41 - Marshall (1)
0.23 - Georgia Southern (2)
0.08 – Appalachian State (1)
0.04 - James Madison (1)

INDEPENDENTS
14.13 - Notre Dame (3)
3.20 - Oregon State (2)
1.38 - Washington State (2)
0.13 - Connecticut (1)

 

[B12]

We know the average per school was that when Texas and Oklahoma were there. Now diluted with G5s and mostly desperate PAC cellar dwellers, doubtful.
Don’t be surprised if Ok St, arguably the best remaining B12 football brand, and FSU join the SEC. Definitely cultural fits.
This rube is trying to inflate his conference value to try and hang with the big boys. It ain’t working.

'IT's hilarious how personal you all make this.

I am not here to inflate anything.

Big 12 is a hodge podge of second rate flagships, commuter colleges, bible colleges, little brothers, and a directional.

And UConn still can't get an invite.

 

[B12]

I think you need to stop smoking the good stuff. There are so many false info in your post that it is not worth a proper response. If B12 folks are all like you, they really need to get off whatever they are smoking.

There is a reason why B12 paid media consultants while you are just another guy on the Internet thumping your chest about a bunch of schools that are far below UConn and ACC schools sans Louisville academically. Last I check, Yormark and the B12 media consultants aren't beating down your door for your opinion. University presidents do care about academics in addition to football.

Also, the B12 is just a bunch of schools that other 2 don't want. If you have schools that they want, you be picked apart so fast just like everyone else. Even then, I am pretty sure there will be another round of realignment at some point where the big 2 will get rid of all the free loaders in their conferences.

Comical response. Note how you can't argue any points. All you do is go personal in some lame attempt to thump your chest. It's called projecting in Psychology. You accuse me of doing what you do because you perceive it that way due to sensitive feelings.

The Big 12 has gone from one of the best to the bottom of the "P-4/5". They are down to relying on BB to be relevant. FB simply does not have the NIL $ to compete and buy 5 star players. Most teams have none.

See how easy it is to be honest. So please stop with your insecure act. It's lame and UConn fans are famous for it.

If UConn was valuable on TV they would be in the P-4/5. It's that simple. Getting mad at me won't change that.


I had hoped UConn would get an invite but I Am not confident anymore. I think ESPN told the B12 to wait, and FOX never support that as they have UConn for pennies.

 

[WrenchFan69]

UConn is worth about 6 Million for oly sports

Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true.

 

[CL82]

'IT's hilarious how personal you all make this.

I am not here to inflate anything.

Big 12 is a hodge podge of second rate flagships, commuter colleges, bible colleges, little brothers, and a directional.

And UConn still can't get an invite.

Is it, or is it hilarious how you have invested so much time and effort to come to a Connecticut board to talk about our program? It seems very important to you.

 

[Exit 4]

The Big 12 schools are all worth about 30 million on TV. UConn is worth about 6 Million for oly sports and 500k for FB based on the current contract.

The TV ratings are clear.
THROUGH WEEK 3 (Listed in millions of viewers)

TOTAL
104.20 - SEC (30)
65.36 - Big Ten (43)
48.68 - ACC (22)
45.36 - Big 12 (30)
14.86 - MWC (20)
11.29 - MAC (10)
10.83 - AAC (13)
3.94 - CUSA (6)
3.22 - Sun Belt (10)

AVERAGE PER SCHOOL
6.513 - SEC (1.9)
3.631 - Big Ten (2.4)
2.864 - ACC (1.3)
2.835 - Big 12 (1.9)
1.238 - MWC (1.7)
0.941 - MAC (0.8)
0.774 - AAC (0.9)
0.394 - CUSA (0.6)
0.230 - Sun Belt (0.7)

AVERAGE PER GAME
3.473 - SEC
2.213 - ACC
1.520 - Big Ten
1.512 - Big 12
1.129 - MAC
0.833 - AAC
0.743 - MWC
0.657 - CUSA
0.322 - Sun Belt

BIG 12
13.68 - Colorado (3)
4.14 - West Virginia (2)
3.53 - Arizona (2)
3.37 - Kansas State (2)
3.11 - Oklahoma State (2)
2.60 - Iowa State (2)
2.52 - TCU (2)
2.21 - Baylor (2)
2.19 - Arizona State (3)
2.16 - Kansas (2)
2.08 - Utah (1)
1.30 - Texas Tech (2)
1.03 - UCF (1)
0.92 - BYU (1)
0.35 - Cincinnati (2)
0.17 - Houston (1)

ACC
11.02 - Florida State (3)
7.58 - Clemson (1)
6.35 - Miami (1)
4.99 - Georgia Tech (1)
4.44 - Boston College (1)
2.96 - NC State (1)
2.06 - California (2)
1.86 - Virginia Tech (2)
1.83 - North Carolina (1)
1.53 - Pittsburgh (3)
1.49 - Stanford (1)
0.92 - SMU (1)
0.78 - Wake Forest (2)
0.51 - Duke (1)
0.36 - Virginia (1)
0.00 - Louisville (0)
0.00 - Syracuse (0)

BIG TEN
12.73 - Michigan (3)
9.21 - USC (2)
7.79 - Nebraska (3)
6.53 - Wisconsin (3)
4.69 - Ohio State (2)
3.47 - Penn State (2)
3.22 - Oregon (2)
3.03 - Iowa (3)
2.58 - Purdue (2)
2.42 - UCLA (2)
2.15 - Minnesota (2)
1.61 - Michigan State (3)
1.58 - Indiana (3)
1.11 - Northwestern (3)
0.95 - Illinois (2)
0.86 - Washington (2)
0.75 - Rutgers (2)
0.68 - Maryland (2)

SEC
14.18 - Georgia (2)
13.56 - LSU (2)
12.72 - Texas A&M (2)
12.51 - Texas (3)
11.15 - Florida (2)
9.46 - Alabama (3)
9.33 - Kentucky (2)
7.67 - South Carolina (2)
3.04 - Oklahoma (2)
2.96 - Tennessee (1)
2.93 - Arkansas (2)
1.78 - Auburn (2)
1.47 - Vanderbilt (2)
1.02 - Mississippi State (2)
0.42 - Mississippi (1)
0.00 - Missouri (0)

AAC
2.58 - South Florida (1)
2.18 - Tulane (2)
1.65 - Temple (1)
1.61 - Memphis (2)
1.50 - UTSA (2)
0.74 - Florida Atlantic (1)
0.31 – Tulsa (1)
0.14 – North Texas (1)
0.08 – East Carolina (1)
0.04 - Charlotte (1)

CUSA
1.85 - Western Kentucky (1)
1.67 - UTEP (1)
0.22 - New Mexico State (2)
0.16 - Liberty (1)
0.04 – Kennesaw State (1)

MAC
3.93 - Northern Illinois (1)
3.45 - Akron (2)
2.68 - Western Michigan (2)
0.55 - Eastern Michigan (1)
0.48 - Bowling Green (1)
0.08 - Kent State (1)
0.07 – Toledo (1)
0.05 – Miami, OH (1)

MWC
5.09 - Colorado State (2)
2.62 - Fresno State (2)
2.12 - New Mexico (3)
1.49 - UNLV (2)
1.13 - Hawaii (1)
1.01 - San Diego State (2)
0.59 - Utah State (1)
0.34 - Wyoming (2)
0.16 - Boise State (1)
0.13 – Air Force (1)
0.11 - San Jose State (2)
0.07 - Nevada (1)

SUN BELT
1.01 - Texas State (2)
0.98 – Arkansas State (1)
0.47 - Troy (2)
0.41 - Marshall (1)
0.23 - Georgia Southern (2)
0.08 – Appalachian State (1)
0.04 - James Madison (1)

INDEPENDENTS
14.13 - Notre Dame (3)
3.20 - Oregon State (2)
1.38 - Washington State (2)
0.13 - Connecticut (1)

Have you adjusted for time slot, channel and opponent? By your strict measurements NIU is worth more than Syracuse or Penn State. Everyone knows it’s not, they just got the benefit of playing ND. Furthermore, schools placed on lesser channels in a given week are not going to perform well or schools playing in a time slot where the head to head alternatives are super compelling. When media companies evaluate these metrics they have ways to normalize the data sets.

 

[Hoophound]

Have you adjusted for time slot, channel and opponent? By your strict measurements NIU is worth more than Syracuse or Penn State. Everyone knows it’s not, they just got the benefit of playing ND. Furthermore, schools placed on lesser channels in a given week are not going to perform well or schools playing in a time slot where the head to head alternatives are super compelling. When media companies evaluate these metrics they have ways to normalize the data sets.

His all argument is totally disingenuous, as he intends it to be. He’s trolling. Only a dozen schools max are worth 30 mill on their own. The conference structure creates the revenue. The whole is worth much more than the sum of its individual parts. Just ignore this idiot.

 

[NH Husky]

'IT's hilarious how personal you all make this.

I am not here to inflate anything.

Big 12 is a hodge podge of second rate flagships, commuter colleges, bible colleges, little brothers, and a directional.

And UConn still can't get an invite.

Nothing personal here huckleberry. You’re just a letter followed by two numbers who seems to be trying to engage in some argument no one here gives a crap about, and now your poor wittle feewings are hurt.
Thats just pathetic. Seek professional help.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Have you adjusted for time slot, channel and opponent? By your strict measurements NIU is worth more than Syracuse or Penn State. Everyone knows it’s not, they just got the benefit of playing ND. Furthermore, schools placed on lesser channels in a given week are not going to perform well or schools playing in a time slot where the head to head alternatives are super compelling. When media companies evaluate these metrics they have ways to normalize the data sets.

Simple fact like this is beyond the comprehension of this troll. As I said, he has no clue how media contracts work.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

His all argument is totally disingenuous, as he intends it to be. He’s trolling. Only a dozen schools max are worth 30 mill on their own. The conference structure creates the revenue. The whole is worth much more than the sum of its individual parts. Just ignore this idiot.

Well said. The troll is clueless on how media contracts work. It is not even worth a debate.

 

[mike012]

Since none of us were involved in the talks. Maybe big 12 said you can join for this and this and Uconn said no. So the sides couldn’t come to terms as both sides aren’t desperate.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Comical response. Note how you can't argue any points. All you do is go personal in some lame attempt to thump your chest. It's called projecting in Psychology. You accuse me of doing what you do because you perceive it that way due to sensitive feelings.

The Big 12 has gone from one of the best to the bottom of the "P-4/5". They are down to relying on BB to be relevant. FB simply does not have the NIL $ to compete and buy 5 star players. Most teams have none.

See how easy it is to be honest. So please stop with your insecure act. It's lame and UConn fans are famous for it.

If UConn was valuable on TV they would be in the P-4/5. It's that simple. Getting mad at me won't change that.


I had hoped UConn would get an invite but I Am not confident anymore. I think ESPN told the B12 to wait, and FOX never support that as they have UConn for pennies.

If you really think FOX got UConn for pennies your hugely mistaken
UConn's distribution and what is costing them are two different things

Their cost for us is $77,000,000 minus whatever they would have paid the Big East without UConn and thats apples and oranges.
Would the Big east even gotten an increase without us?
So its costing them $15-20Million to keep UConn in the Big East but the cost is the least of their worries.
Their numbers guys concerns is where can they make us the best ROI
My numbers say we make and earn more in a bigger market conference but they should have better data than me.
A conference where women's basketball is a rising star. Growth is always an easier selly hope were pitching
Its the ROI that you base a decision on.
plus
The downside risk to them of serious devaluation of the Big East if we exit.

Comical response. Note how you can't argue any points. All you do is go personal in some lame attempt to thump your chest. It's called projecting in Psychology. You accuse me of doing what you do because you perceive it that way due to sensitive feelings.

The Big 12 has gone from one of the best to the bottom of the "P-4/5". They are down to relying on BB to be relevant. FB simply does not have the NIL $ to compete and buy 5 star players. Most teams have none.

See how easy it is to be honest. So please stop with your insecure act. It's lame and UConn fans are famous for it.

If UConn was valuable on TV they would be in the P-4/5. It's that simple. Getting mad at me won't change that.


I had hoped UConn would get an invite but I Am not confident anymore. I think ESPN told the B12 to wait, and FOX never support that as they have UConn for pennies.

UConn obviously has significant monetary value thats a fact .
A second rate conference with 1/2 the teams a low option in their market or in small markets are getting paid more per team for basketball than the alleged best basketball conference in better markets
UConn football is the problem and it’s self inflicted . .
Let me give you a hint ;
It’s a lot easier with a good hire and investment to become fairly competent in a sport even at FBS level if an infrastructure is in place .
Then to become one of most dominant programs in a major sport history which is what UConn is .
If the Big 12 monetized basketball
which all conference will do given the Big East deal and their perceived superiority
Having UConn in that mix is a plus .
UConn not only has a dominant team in men’s but women’s team whose basketball
ratings rival most men’s teams .