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New PAC-12 Forming

WrenchFan69 said:
Looks like the new Plan A hope is that the with the PAC-12 moves, the AAC ends up in a position where they would want/need to add us for football only
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nelsonmuntz said:


It looks like this happened because negotiations broke down between the MWC and Pac 2. It is in everyone's interest to return to the table and hash this out. The MWC has the right to $100+ million of exit fees, but it will be in trouble without some of its higher profile programs, and it is a certainty that other top programs like UNLV are trying to get into the Pac 2. The Pac 2+4 would rather not spend $100+ million to clean up a bad deal it signed with the MWC 9 months ago. Even if the Pac 2 gets $10MM a year in a new TV deal, it is not enough to justify the cost of the move, and it will not have nearly the hoops revenue and NCAA Tournament that it would with New Mexico and Utah State.

There should be a merger or affiliation arrangement that is a better outcome for everyone than where they are likely to end up.
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The PAC 2 would be the best programs in a G5 conference and based on the quote, they weren't getting any other offers. So perhaps rather than just merging with the MWC, the next best option would be to take 4 of the best programs from the MWC. Then maybe go after the best of the rest of the G5 to make the strongest G5 possible. Still a step down for the PAC 2.

Maybe the PAC is setting itself up to be the best remaining option for some programs if and when the ACC splinters. Wait as long as possible for the ACC or go grab a few AAC or other G5 programs. Grabbing SDSU and Boise St is a pretty good start.

"On the Pac-2 side, rebuilding the league was the best available option. The dream of a Power 4 invitation from the Big 12 or ACC didn’t materialize, and the Beavers and Cougars couldn’t wait much longer. They publicly hoped for chaos, perhaps a fractured ACC, but it didn’t come, at least not quickly enough. With $65 million from an estimated $250 million leftover Pac-12 war chest earmarked to help rebuild the league, the two remaining members went to work."
 
WrenchFan69 said:
I've seen a number of pundits suggest the PAC add Gonzaga. Pairing Gonzaga with a football-only UConn would be awesome. Would be very happy to build in a men's basketball, women's basketball, and baseball scheduling agreement there as well.
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Seek professional help.
 
B12 said:
Yes it appears the ACC is going to lose schools, and likely some of those end up in the B12. That's widely known as even FSU and Clemson have been linked to the B12. But you can pretend if you want to.

IF 2 schools leave the ACC it's likely more leave as well. B1G will take some for sure.

The ACC is likely going to lose 6+ teams so yes I can see how Stanford and Cal could end up having to choose between the gutted ACC and PAC. In the end if the ACC does not have FSU, Clemson, UNC, Virginia, Miami, etc then the PAC is probably the better choice for Stanford and Cal.

The B12 contract is about half the B1G/SEC deals. That's a fact. LOL back at you son.

The reality is Memphis could get an ACC invite before UConn due to their FB program having more value. That will be a hard one to swallow for UConn fans Much like when Cinci made the jump. Yes I think the ACC will look at Temple and Memphis if it's down to BC, Cuse, Wake, Pitt, etc.

No, I think there will end up being a P-4 or P-5. Just a matter of the ACC and PAC deciding to be coastal conferences of about 12 +/- teams each or more of a 24 team nationwide conference.

The B12 is not grandfathered in. They are that valuable on TV which has them in #4 currently but will likely move to #3 shortly.

Not condescending at all, it's realistic. You may perceive it that way due to being insecure about UConn which is common here. The B12 has already been valued by TV partners, no lag. We know the B12 schools are worth about 30 on TV. UConn worth about 6 for BB and 500k for FB. We know that.

ESPN told the B12 not to add UConn due to ACC teams being available soon. And FOX never supported it due to having UConn for pennies already. Sucks as I really think UConn was close to getting the votes and I wanted to see it happen.

So UConn has 2 real options.


1. Stay in Big East making 6 million on BB and try to figure out what to do with FB. Indy seems less likely as there are hardly any left due to not being practical for anyone but ND. MAC might be an option. FCS is an option.

2. Try to jump to the ACC when they lose teams and reload. Seems risky for BB but would save FB and get UConn in the "power" conference albeit more of a Big East type situation as the conference would be Cuse, BC, UConn, Pitt, Wake, Memphis, USF, etc type teams for the most part with possibly Louisville, VTech, GaTech, NCST, Miami.

The reason you didn't respond is because you don't' like the answer. Neither of those are ideal for UConn, Neither provide much income for the AD who desperately needs $. The ACC deal would be better for exposure for sure IMO. So you get angry and do the usual insecure fan response. Getting mad at me won't change anything.


The hilarious part about this is if UConn had been added to the B12 you would be talking about how great it was. Insecure fans are so funny.
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LOL I definitely responded, just didn't pick either of your idiotic menu options.
 
Vowelguy said:
Or the plan all along was for negotiations to break down, freeing up the PAC and select MW to go off on their own.
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There is nothing “free” about what happened.
 
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WrenchFan69 said:
Looks like the new Plan A hope is that the with the PAC-12 moves, the AAC ends up in a position where they would want/need to add us for football only
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The new Pac-12 could target Memphis and USF as well as other AAC schools. There might be an opportunity for a football only membership somewhere.
 
The estimated value of the new media deal with the PAC-12. It is about $11M per year. I think they will get more but that's the estimate.

If UConn can land a football only you about $7M, it be a pretty good deal for the school assuming we don't have to sign a GOR.

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

Looking into the prospects of a media deal for the rebuilt Pac-12

It is too early in the process to have clarity on the value of a media rights deal for the rebuilt Pac-12.
www.sportsbusinessjournal.com www.sportsbusinessjournal.com
 
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huskymedic said:
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This makes a little more sense. The MWC was charging $12,500,000/year in various scheduling fees to be part of the consortium. That was going to pretty expensive for OSU and WSU. The MWC definitely pushed its hand too far on that, and now it has blown up in its face. If I was the MWC, I would go back to the Pac 2+4 quickly and offer to fold WSU and OSU into the league and offer some kind of unequal revenue split, because the alternative may be a lot of short term cash, but a low major football and hoops league.
 
baggerbob said:
Just remember that the Big 12 has a contract coming up long before the ACC, and they lost their 2 best football schools.
With streaming becoming the new media service their upcoming contract will probably be less.
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This is 100% wrong. Texlahoma was already gone when they negotiated their rights fees with the new hateful 8 + the 4 new schools. Then they added the four corners. They will definitely get a rights increase if the conference stays intact until 2029 (or so.)
 
buddy said:
Memphis, Tulane, USF, UNLV at a minimum are ahead in line. All of them have football programs which seem to have improved year by year. I wouldn't count on it.
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UConn should be able to compete against UNLV. It is a matter to get boosters to fund NIL. $5 million a year would make UConn a competent lower level P4 school.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This makes a little more sense. The MWC was charging $12,500,000/year in various scheduling fees to be part of the consortium. That was going to pretty expensive for OSU and WSU. The MWC definitely pushed its hand too far on that, and now it has blown up in its face. If I was the MWC, I would go back to the Pac 2+4 quickly and offer to fold WSU and OSU into the league and offer some kind of unequal revenue split, because the alternative may be a lot of short term cash, but a low major football and hoops league.
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Going after a PAC-MWC merger now would make perfect sense. The MWC was only 12 programs to begin with and would be 14 with OSU and WSU. Now the 6 PAC has options including inviting more MWC members such as UNLV, Utah State, San Jose State, New Mexico or a few AAC members. A very real scenario is that a merged PAC and MWC would be by far the best G5 conference which in itself would help raise the profile and performance of Hawaii and Nevada. Wyoming has actually been pretty good anyway. The conference still has slots available if it wants to go after Memphis, Tulane, Texas schools or others depending on how big it wants to get and would have much more leverage. And it could be the only competitive G5 conference covering the entire Mountain and Pacific time zones.

The AAC could also make moves to try to keep up and if I were a fan, I'd rather keep my company in the southeast than fly all over the western USA.
 
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Kolumbo said:
Going after a PAC-MWC merger now would make perfect sense. The MWC was only 12 programs to begin with and would be 14 with OSU and WSU. Now the 6 PAC has options including inviting more MWC members such as UNLV, Utah State, San Jose State, New Mexico or a few AAC members. A very real scenario is that a merged PAC and MWC would be by far the best G5 conference which in itself would help raise the profile and performance of Hawaii and Nevada. Wyoming has actually been pretty good anyway. The conference still has slots available if it wants to go after Memphis, Tulane, Texas schools or others depending on how big it wants to get and would have much more leverage. And it could be the only competitive G5 conference covering the entire Mountain and Pacific time zones.

The AAC could also make moves to try to keep up and if I were a fan, I'd rather keep my company in the southeast than fly all over the western USA.
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They clearly don't want about half of the MWC
 
Urcea said:
They clearly don't want about half of the MWC
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I'm not sure about that as I think taking 4 MWC schools is just a negotiating ploy and the start of rebuilding the Pac 12.

First, by taking only 4 schools, the MWC is still intact with 8 football schools, so the Pac 2 won't be sued for dissolving the conference. Next, the MWC can be dissolved by a 3/4 vote, so if the Pac 2 take 4 more MWC schools, 8 schools can dissolve the conference and avoid all of the exit fees. I think the Pac 2 wants the MWC to dissolve the conference on their own to limit their potential liability.

Who do I think gets asked from the MWC to join the Pac 12? Air Force might be asked, but I think they will opt for the AAC. Then I think the four schools will be: Utah St., UNLV, Wyoming, and New Mexico. San Jose St., Nevada, and Hawaii will be left out. That brings the Pac 12 to 10 schools which is where I think they stand for a couple of years.
 
The take on Wyoming is interesting as some think they will be included in this new PAC while others argue they'll be left out. I know it's been a long while, but I seem to recall a season when Wyoming was undefeated (or 11-0 at the time, or something asking those lines). That tells me they can get a good run going just like NIU had many seasons ago. So while not a sexy add, they wouldn't be a crappy add either.
 
Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander think that the PAC 12 should invite Gonzaga. Norlander talks about the increased valuation of basketball and Gonzaga's national appeal and tournament history. He said that to dismiss them out of hand because they don't have football would be short-sighted. Yet he didn't think that UConn should go to the Big 12.

 
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Patman said:
and because of that uconn is going to the acc?
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Everybody should want just UConn football according to boneyard even though football has stopped UConn in getting into P4
 
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