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This is going over the edge just a little. I like the PAC East. But call it the Eastern Time Zone Conference. You have Army, Buffalo, Coastal Carolina, Connecticut, Delaware, East Carolina, Georgia State, James Madison, Florida International, Navy, South Florida, Temple, UMass. Just start another conference with all sports.
 
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This is going over the edge just a little. I like the PAC East. But call it the Eastern Time Zone Conference. You have Army, Buffalo, Coastal Carolina, Connecticut, Delaware, East Carolina, Georgia State, James Madison, Florida International, Navy, South Florida, Temple, UMass. Just start another conference with all sports.
The PAC East as affiliated FB members to the PAC is a better alignment.

First, it’s above the G5 status of the conference you propose. It would have the status and higher revenue of the PAC.

It is also heavily concentrated in the NE Metro Media corridor- DC - Baltimore - Philly - NY - Boston…. Plus Tampa market and Florida football footprint. Alone the programs have nominal value. Together, concentrated in this market, they have higher group value and even higher as a PAC affiliate competing for a PAC championship.

It allows members that have better fit base conferences to allow those memberships: Army and Navy in the Patriot and UConn and Nova in the Big East.
 

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They've had no defections because their schools are undesirable
And UTSA or any recently added AAC school was? Just saying. I know what you're saying but there have been some random schools added to the AAC based solely on market. The MAC may not have markets but they have some name brand. Not sure who wants it though
 

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Jeez, Oregon State and Wash State go from hobnobbing with some fairly high academic schools to partnering with Boise State (USNews #332) and potentially Memphis (USNews #269). I was surprised to see that Loserville (#195) isn't that far off from Oregon State (#142) and Wash State (#178). Tulane (#73) would be a big step up for them, but UConn (#58) would be even better, even if the geographical fit is terrible.
 

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Jeez, Oregon State and Wash State go from hobnobbing with some fairly high academic schools to partnering with Boise State (USNews #332) and potentially Memphis (USNews #269). I was surprised to see that Loserville (#195) isn't that far off from Oregon State (#142) and Wash State (#178). Tulane (#73) would be a big step up for them, but UConn (#58) would be even better, even if the geographical fit is terrible.
Why do people care about this so much? They're playing sports against one another.
 

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It looks like this happened because negotiations broke down between the MWC and Pac 2. It is in everyone's interest to return to the table and hash this out. The MWC has the right to $100+ million of exit fees, but it will be in trouble without some of its higher profile programs, and it is a certainty that other top programs like UNLV are trying to get into the Pac 2. The Pac 2+4 would rather not spend $100+ million to clean up a bad deal it signed with the MWC 9 months ago. Even if the Pac 2 gets $10MM a year in a new TV deal, it is not enough to justify the cost of the move, and it will not have nearly the hoops revenue and NCAA Tournament that it would with New Mexico and Utah State.

There should be a merger or affiliation arrangement that is a better outcome for everyone than where they are likely to end up.
 

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Why do people care about this so much? They're playing sports against one another.
This, to me, shows we are the complete package. We win championships and we're strong in academics. It doesn't get us into the Big10, but it shows the ACC and Big12 we're the real deal (of course in CR, it's meaningless, but it's a minor mental comfort).
 
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It looks like this happened because negotiations broke down between the MWC and Pac 2. It is in everyone's interest to return to the table and hash this out. The MWC has the right to $100+ million of exit fees, but it will be in trouble without some of its higher profile programs, and it is a certainty that other top programs like UNLV are trying to get into the Pac 2. The Pac 2+4 would rather not spend $100+ million to clean up a bad deal it signed with the MWC 9 months ago. Even if the Pac 2 gets $10MM a year in a new TV deal, it is not enough to justify the cost of the move, and it will not have nearly the hoops revenue and NCAA Tournament that it would with New Mexico and Utah State.

There should be a merger or affiliation arrangement that is a better outcome for everyone than where they are likely to end up.

The PAC 12 has a commissioner. This is happening.
 

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Looks like the new Plan A hope is that the with the PAC-12 moves, the AAC ends up in a position where they would want/need to add us for football only
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It looks like this happened because negotiations broke down between the MWC and Pac 2. It is in everyone's interest to return to the table and hash this out. The MWC has the right to $100+ million of exit fees, but it will be in trouble without some of its higher profile programs, and it is a certainty that other top programs like UNLV are trying to get into the Pac 2. The Pac 2+4 would rather not spend $100+ million to clean up a bad deal it signed with the MWC 9 months ago. Even if the Pac 2 gets $10MM a year in a new TV deal, it is not enough to justify the cost of the move, and it will not have nearly the hoops revenue and NCAA Tournament that it would with New Mexico and Utah State.

There should be a merger or affiliation arrangement that is a better outcome for everyone than where they are likely to end up.
The PAC 2 would be the best programs in a G5 conference and based on the quote, they weren't getting any other offers. So perhaps rather than just merging with the MWC, the next best option would be to take 4 of the best programs from the MWC. Then maybe go after the best of the rest of the G5 to make the strongest G5 possible. Still a step down for the PAC 2.

Maybe the PAC is setting itself up to be the best remaining option for some programs if and when the ACC splinters. Wait as long as possible for the ACC or go grab a few AAC or other G5 programs. Grabbing SDSU and Boise St is a pretty good start.

"On the Pac-2 side, rebuilding the league was the best available option. The dream of a Power 4 invitation from the Big 12 or ACC didn’t materialize, and the Beavers and Cougars couldn’t wait much longer. They publicly hoped for chaos, perhaps a fractured ACC, but it didn’t come, at least not quickly enough. With $65 million from an estimated $250 million leftover Pac-12 war chest earmarked to help rebuild the league, the two remaining members went to work."
 
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I've seen a number of pundits suggest the PAC add Gonzaga. Pairing Gonzaga with a football-only UConn would be awesome. Would be very happy to build in a men's basketball, women's basketball, and baseball scheduling agreement there as well.
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Yes it appears the ACC is going to lose schools, and likely some of those end up in the B12. That's widely known as even FSU and Clemson have been linked to the B12. But you can pretend if you want to.

IF 2 schools leave the ACC it's likely more leave as well. B1G will take some for sure.

The ACC is likely going to lose 6+ teams so yes I can see how Stanford and Cal could end up having to choose between the gutted ACC and PAC. In the end if the ACC does not have FSU, Clemson, UNC, Virginia, Miami, etc then the PAC is probably the better choice for Stanford and Cal.

The B12 contract is about half the B1G/SEC deals. That's a fact. LOL back at you son.

The reality is Memphis could get an ACC invite before UConn due to their FB program having more value. That will be a hard one to swallow for UConn fans Much like when Cinci made the jump. Yes I think the ACC will look at Temple and Memphis if it's down to BC, Cuse, Wake, Pitt, etc.

No, I think there will end up being a P-4 or P-5. Just a matter of the ACC and PAC deciding to be coastal conferences of about 12 +/- teams each or more of a 24 team nationwide conference.

The B12 is not grandfathered in. They are that valuable on TV which has them in #4 currently but will likely move to #3 shortly.

Not condescending at all, it's realistic. You may perceive it that way due to being insecure about UConn which is common here. The B12 has already been valued by TV partners, no lag. We know the B12 schools are worth about 30 on TV. UConn worth about 6 for BB and 500k for FB. We know that.

ESPN told the B12 not to add UConn due to ACC teams being available soon. And FOX never supported it due to having UConn for pennies already. Sucks as I really think UConn was close to getting the votes and I wanted to see it happen.

So UConn has 2 real options.


1. Stay in Big East making 6 million on BB and try to figure out what to do with FB. Indy seems less likely as there are hardly any left due to not being practical for anyone but ND. MAC might be an option. FCS is an option.

2. Try to jump to the ACC when they lose teams and reload. Seems risky for BB but would save FB and get UConn in the "power" conference albeit more of a Big East type situation as the conference would be Cuse, BC, UConn, Pitt, Wake, Memphis, USF, etc type teams for the most part with possibly Louisville, VTech, GaTech, NCST, Miami.

The reason you didn't respond is because you don't' like the answer. Neither of those are ideal for UConn, Neither provide much income for the AD who desperately needs $. The ACC deal would be better for exposure for sure IMO. So you get angry and do the usual insecure fan response. Getting mad at me won't change anything.


The hilarious part about this is if UConn had been added to the B12 you would be talking about how great it was. Insecure fans are so funny.
LOL I definitely responded, just didn't pick either of your idiotic menu options.
 

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Or the plan all along was for negotiations to break down, freeing up the PAC and select MW to go off on their own.

There is nothing “free” about what happened.
 
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Looks like the new Plan A hope is that the with the PAC-12 moves, the AAC ends up in a position where they would want/need to add us for football only
The new Pac-12 could target Memphis and USF as well as other AAC schools. There might be an opportunity for a football only membership somewhere.
 
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The estimated value of the new media deal with the PAC-12. It is about $11M per year. I think they will get more but that's the estimate.

If UConn can land a football only you about $7M, it be a pretty good deal for the school assuming we don't have to sign a GOR.

 

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