NCAA announcing UNC penalties on Friday

[crewbear742]

Thanks for your and your brothers service.

Thank you for that. It was thoughtful of you. And appreciated. For my brother much more than me.

 

[Wolferowski]

The New York Times is a terrific newspaper - one of the best. You should read the New York Times. Or at least parts of it...

Unfortunately, the slight bias that used to be a given for most newspaper political coverage is now out of control at the Times.

Lol...for slight bias.

Yes, some good writers and a good crossword. But no section is above average.

 

[CL82]

Idk CL. Nobody even seems to care. They won a title and it barely was mentioned. They've gotten away with it in the minds of casual fans up til this point. I'm not making a dumb comparative joke here, but if it was a school like UCONN, this would be screamed from the high heavens at every opportunity.

Agree somewhat. I do know that they reached deeper in waiting lists than normally would have to fill this year's freshman class. I also think that the FBI investigation into corrupt recruiting practices puts the UNC cheating scandal front and center. I also think the NCAA is going to be scrutinized for a while. All those factors lead me to believe the outcome for UNC might more serious than we've all come to expect. Call it a hunch.

 

[willie99]

"we decided to make the penalty for substandard APR scores the death penalty, retroactive to the 2009 / 2010 season"

the third time is the charm

 

[ramses 2.0]

Agree somewhat. I do know that they reached deeper in waiting lists than normally would have to fill this year's freshman class. I also think that the FBI investigation into corrupt recruiting practices puts the UNC cheating scandal front and center. I also think the NCAA is going to be scrutinized for a while. All those factors lead me to believe the outcome for UNC might more serious than we've all come to expect. Call it a hunch.

You have a link or source? Especially since UNC has set the record for applications 12 years straight & welcomed the largest freshman class in school history this fall

 

[huskymedic]

You have a link or source? Especially since UNC has set the record for applications 12 years straight & welcomed the largest freshman class in school history this fall

Hell, if I knew I could get a degree from UNC and not have to go to classes I'd apply too!

 

[ramses 2.0]

Hell, if I knew I could get a degree from UNC and not have to go to classes I'd apply too!

And have all of your need based aid met in the process

 

[CL82]

You have a link or source? Especially since UNC has set the record for applications 12 years straight & welcomed the largest freshman class in school history this fall

No but I do have anecdotal information about how deep they went into their waiting lists this past September.

 

[ctchamps]

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

You have a link or source? Especially since UNC has set the record for applications 12 years straight & welcomed the largest freshman class in school history this fall

Clearly, massive increased migration into North Carolina's played no role in UNC receiving record #s of applications and welcoming its' largest freshman classes in school history. Ignoring the initial fact regarding NC's dramatically increasing school-aged population, an attempted good point ...

 

[ramses 2.0]

No but I do have anecdotal information about how deep they went into their waiting lists this past September.

That's odd since UNC doesn't give approval notices until January

 

[ramses 2.0]

Clearly, massive increased migration into North Carolina's played no role in UNC receiving record #s of applications and welcoming its' largest freshman classes in school history. Ignoring the initial fact regarding NC's dramatically increasing school-aged population, an attempted good point ...

Sure population growth helps but many don't make the cut & their are 16 other schools in the system for students to choose from. I could have mentioned the record fundraising or how tge university will have atleast half it's capital campaign by the end of this fiscal year with 4 years to go. The bottom line is that UNC has taken a hit but nothing significant

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Sure population growth helps but many don't make the cut & their are 16 other schools in the system for students to choose from. I could have mentioned the record fundraising or how tge university will have atleast half it's capital campaign by the end of this fiscal year with 4 years to go. The bottom line is that UNC has taken a hit but nothing significant

Well, such an argument would require believing UNC's record fundraising was not the least bit influenced by winning last year's national championship. In other words, similar to many to most school's winning men's hoop or football championships.

Additionally, referencing 16 other schools in the NC public university system, other than perhaps NC State, adds little to nothing to your argument. Bottom line: Chapel Hill bears minimal similarities with the other UNC schools. However, a bit too much of UNC's administration and few too many UNC alumni and other fans are either morally vacuous or have worn and just continue to wear ethical horse blinds.

 

[Adios]

Has a penalty been announced yet?!

 

[ramses 2.0]

Well, such an argument would require believing UNC's record fundraising was not the least bit influenced by winning last year's national championship. In other words, similar to many to most school's winning men's hoop or football championships.

Additionally, referencing 16 other schools in the NC public university system, other than perhaps NC State, adds little to nothing to your argument. Bottom line: Chapel Hill bears minimal similarities with the other UNC schools. However, a bit too much of UNC's administration and few too many UNC alumni and other fans are either morally vacuous or have worn and just continue to wear ethical horse blinds.

But being as selective as UNC is has a effect on enrollment across the system. Like I said research grants,fundraising & student interest have not taken a major hit & this info is easy to find. Very few kid's in NC will turn down the chance to experience all that UNC can offer even if the NCAA drops the hammer on them.

 

[CL82]

That's odd since UNC doesn't give approval notices until January

Lol, so you are saying that UNC gives approvals for the 2017 fall semester in January of 2018? Interesting theory.

 

[JeepCSC]

Lol, so you are saying that UNC gives approvals for the 2017 fall semester in January of 2018? Interesting theory.

They aren't going into their waiting list in September. The process starts in the spring and is all over but the shouting by June. Regardless, I doubt a departmental scandal that broke when a college freshman was in middle school is just now beginning to take its effect on enrollment.

 

[JeepCSC]

Well, such an argument would require believing UNC's record fundraising was not the least bit influenced by winning last year's national championship. In other words, similar to many to most school's winning men's hoop or football championships.

Major university fundraising isn't usually tied to athletics so directly. The top benefactors I think were the art museum and the cancer center, things that are likely funded even if Maye misses that shot and Kentucky went on to win in the E8.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

But being as selective as UNC is has a effect on enrollment across the system. Like I said research grants,fundraising & student interest have not taken a major hit & this info is easy to find. Very few kid's in NC will turn down the chance to experience all that UNC can offer even if the NCAA drops the hammer on them.

Acknowledging research grants typically depend on and support graduate students and professors, typically do not consider the possibility most respectable universities do not offer absolutely no show, no work, no nothing courses a la UNC, and UNC's academic and administrative indiscretions only resulted in a rather unusual probation by its' acceditation board (albeit for only a single year), you might have had a valid point. Unfortunately, moral blinders are required to make such a feeble argument.

Regardless, you can carry on with irrelevant references to other UNC campuses and repeating previously discounted arguments regarding fundraising (see national championship), population growth playing a significant role in applications and admissions to the Chapel Hill campus still living in denial. Long river; Ramesses, eh?

UNC grad student, professor, administrator, or Roy Williams himself?

"On Thursday morning, it seemed (UNC's) capital campaign might be upstaged by the NCAA. The NCAA Committee on Infractions would be releasing its final report on a long-running UNC case at noon Friday, tweeted Andrew Carter, a reporter for The News & Observer. That report would represent the end of a closely watched investigation into no-show classes that helped UNC athletes remain eligible over many years ending in 2011. The scandal has dragged on, embarrassing a university that has historically claimed it could balance academic values and athletic prowess.

Still, the situation raised eyebrows among outside observers who wondered what UNC meant by “scheduling circumstances” -- particularly since university officials do not typically appear together with NCAA officials when final investigative reports are released. Experts were also surprised by the lack of additional comment from UNC and the NCAA.


“It’s cliché, but the silence is deafening,” said Daniel Swinton, managing partner at NCHERM Group, a law and consulting firm. “That strikes me as odd. I’m not sure if it’s improper, but it certainly makes me wonder: How much influence does UNC have in this process?”​

The Nile, 4,100 miles long ...

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Major university fundraising isn't usually tied to athletics so directly. The top benefactors I think were the art museum and the cancer center, things that are likely funded even if Maye misses that shot and Kentucky went on to win in the E8.

Agreed, luckily for UNC not too many undergrad no show courses have much impact on graduate-focused medical research nor on art museums. Typically, different target audiences. Concurrently, very few rational individuals aware of impacts of hoops and gridiron championships on general fund raising would reasonably deny the related positive effects.

 

[JeepCSC]

Athletic fundraising goes up with titles. I don't think the correlation is there on the academic side. And academic fundraising dwarfs athletic fundraising.

 

[Chief00]

Well, such an argument would require believing UNC's record fundraising was not the least bit influenced by winning last year's national championship. In other words, similar to many to most school's winning men's hoop or football championships.

Additionally, referencing 16 other schools in the NC public university system, other than perhaps NC State, adds little to nothing to your argument. Bottom line: Chapel Hill bears minimal similarities with the other UNC schools. However, a bit too much of UNC's administration and few too many UNC alumni and other fans are either morally vacuous or have worn and just continue to wear ethical horse blinds.

I spend a fair amount of time in NC on business. It’s a booming state with lots of golf courses. We could learn some things from NC - just saying. Obviously, the fake classes are not a good thing, but they will overcome it.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Lol, so you are saying that UNC gives approvals for the 2017 fall semester in January of 2018? Interesting theory.

No but any student seeking to enroll in the fall 2017 would have started receiving acceptance letters in January & most would know no later than April. Each class is mostly wrapped up by June.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Acknowledging research grants typically depend on and support graduate students and professors, typically do not consider the possibility most respectable universities do not offer absolutely no show, no work, no nothing courses a la UNC, and UNC's academic and administrative indiscretions only resulted in a rather unusual probation by its' acceditation board (albeit for only a single year), you might have had a valid point. Unfortunately, moral blinders are required to make such a feeble argument.

Regardless, you can carry on with irrelevant references to other UNC campuses and repeating previously discounted arguments regarding fundraising (see national championship), population growth playing a significant role in applications and admissions to the Chapel Hill campus still living in denial. Long river; Ramesses, eh?

UNC grad student, professor, administrator, or Roy Williams himself?

"On Thursday morning, it seemed (UNC's) capital campaign might be upstaged by the NCAA. The NCAA Committee on Infractions would be releasing its final report on a long-running UNC case at noon Friday, tweeted Andrew Carter, a reporter for The News & Observer. That report would represent the end of a closely watched investigation into no-show classes that helped UNC athletes remain eligible over many years ending in 2011. The scandal has dragged on, embarrassing a university that has historically claimed it could balance academic values and athletic prowess.

Still, the situation raised eyebrows among outside observers who wondered what UNC meant by “scheduling circumstances” -- particularly since university officials do not typically appear together with NCAA officials when final investigative reports are released. Experts were also surprised by the lack of additional comment from UNC and the NCAA.


“It’s cliché, but the silence is deafening,” said Daniel Swinton, managing partner at NCHERM Group, a law and consulting firm. “That strikes me as odd. I’m not sure if it’s improper, but it certainly makes me wonder: How much influence does UNC have in this process?”​

The Nile, 4,100 miles long ...

UNC only has 19,000 undergrads & that number is unlikely to change much in the near future. Each first year class breaks down roughly to 3,400 first year NC residents, 800 out of state,800 transfers. So their isn't enough room for all qualified NC kids that want to go period. That's why NCSU,Charlotte & ECU all have between 3-5 thousand more undergrads &ASU,Wilmington & Greensboro have roughly the same as UNC. These schools all have strong programs & the cost of attendance is relatively cheap compared to some states

 

[CL82]

They aren't going into their waiting list in September. The process starts in the spring and is all over but the shouting by June. Regardless, I doubt a departmental scandal that broke when a college freshman was in middle school is just now beginning to take its effect on enrollment.

Actually, at most schools decisions start happening, and typically finish, much sooner than that. but for this falls class they were taking wait listed students over the summer, say late July, early August. It was reach school for the students of which I am aware and one went into a well regarded specialty program. That could be an an aberration, but it isn't a good sign if it is trend.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Actually, at most schools decisions start happening, and typically finish, much sooner than that. but for this falls class they were taking wait listed students over the summer, say late July, early August. It was reach school for the students of which I am aware and one went into a well regarded specialty program. That could be an an aberration, but it isn't a good sign if it is trend.

In state or out of state? Classes started August the 22nd & late regs was the 28th, so that's cutting it pretty close to get all your ducks in a row.

 

[CL82]

In state or out of state? Classes started August the 22nd & late regs was the 28th, so that's cutting it pretty close to get all your ducks in a row.

Out of state. It was a big deal among my kid's friends because of the last minute change of plans. I guess that is the positive spin, because people were willing make an 11th hour change of plans once they got in.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Out of state. It was a big deal among my kid's friends because of the last minute change of plans. I guess that is the positive spin, because people were willing make an 11th hour change of plans once they got in.

Ok that I can see, but UNC could fill it's spots with in state kids if it wanted which was my point. In state kids still want to go to UNC if admitted, out of state kids have more options.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Was there ever a reasonable explanation as to what happened here?

NCAA: "We'll be releasing our penalties on Friday."
UNC: "Nah."

 

[intlzncster]

Was there ever a reasonable explanation as to what happened here?
NCAA: "We'll be releasing our penalties on Friday."
UNC: "Nah."

Sounds about right.