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"Over the past 100 playoff games of his career, James has a mind-boggling average of 30 points, 9.9 rebounds and 8.4 assists per game. He’s getting those points at an efficient 59% true shooting percentage. There has probably never been a better offensive hub in NBA history, even in comparison to the likes of Larry Bird and Michael Jordan." BSN
 
MilliniumPrince said:
"Over the past 100 playoff games of his career, James has a mind-boggling average of 30 points, 9.9 rebounds and 8.4 assists per game. He’s getting those points at an efficient 59% true shooting percentage. There has probably never been a better offensive hub in NBA history, even in comparison to the likes of Larry Bird and Michael Jordan." BSN
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I am not here to debate the GOAT, because I don't care. But that is absolutely sensational. I think it's fair to say Lebron is the best of his generation, and has bridged the gap between old-school and new-school NBA pretty seamlessly.
 
theathletic.com

Hollinger: LeBron vs. MJ? It’s just LeBron vs. history now. On the GOAT debate

John Hollinger looks more closely at the tale of the tape between Michael Jordan and LeBron James as the G.O.A.T. debate rages on.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

I thought this was a pretty interesting read. Basically makes the argument that Jordan and James are head and shoulders above anyone else in the GOAT debate, but Jordan edges Lebron out because the rules of the league favor perimeter players more than in Jordan's day.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Did you actually watch basketball back then?

Let's go by decade:

60's - There were a handful of teams in the League and the sport was getting the third and fourth tier athletes after football and baseball. There were teams with 6'6 centers. The fact that the Celtics could so completely dominate the sport shows it was not that good.

70's - A drug induced mess of a decade from a basketball standpoint. A small talent pool was further diluted by the ABA. Stars were one way players like George Gervin. The NBA Finals were put on tape delay and shown at 11:30 for a reason. The product sucked.

80's - While Bird and Johnson saved the game, it took Stern about 3-4 years to clean up the drug problem. Some of the 70's stars like Kareem, Moses and Dr. J really shined in the 80's. The problem was that a lot of teams didn't play defense. The Denver Nuggets were one of the best teams in the West in the 80's and they literally played no defense at all. If you can find a Dominique Hawks game on classic sports, I recommend you watch it. Dominique will frequently be walking back on defense. Kelly Tripuka once said he would never try to rebound again after spraining his ankle going up for a board.

90's - Expansion diluted the product, and Knicks' Wrestle Ball was brutal to watch. Teams couldn't shoot back then either. Weird rules like Illegal Defense created an awkward game, and there were some strange teams pre-analytics (Knicks with 3 guards, Rivers, Starks, Anthony, that couldn't shoot). Europeans showed up in force and the quality of play improved as the decade progressed.

With the end of the 90's, basketball started to get really good. Euro ball and zone defenses had a really positive effect on the game. The influx of talented foreigners like Duncan, Parker, Ming and Nowitski raised the overall talent level. Coaching got better overall, and the game improved a lot.

We are in the Golden Age of basketball. Enjoy it.
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That nobody is watching because they don't care. And that's being generous

People LITERALLY have no other entertainment options and ratings are down over 60%. Whatever the reason, nobody is watching.
 
Deadrody said:
That nobody is watching because they don't care. And that's being generous

People LITERALLY have no other entertainment options and ratings are down over 60%. Whatever the reason, nobody is watching.
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NFL was down 27% this week year over year on average. NHL and MLB were down similarly to NBA. People are often home, but there's a lot of shit going on between educating kids, the election, 15 streaming bundle services, and drinking enough to blackout on the couch at 9pm.

More sports are competing for the same or less eyeballs than usual
 
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Butler with 4 clutch FT's (12-12) and a 35 pt triple double. Even with all that, Lakers would have won but choked the final 3pt shot. King James Coronation needs to wait another game.
 
Adebayo can barely lift his arm. He is a shell of what he was in the earlier rounds. The Heat would have won this series in 6 with a healthy Dragic and Adebayo.

Nunn had a great game on both ends tonight.
 
navery12 said:
Too many smart people here, but someone somewhere will blame LeBron
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He's just that good and was especially out of this world tonight, that I do wonder if going 1 on 2 was better than a wide open 3. It's absurd. He made the right read. And yet, still I wonder.

 
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auror said:
He's just that good and was especially out of this world tonight, that I do wonder if going 1 on 2 was better than a wide open 3. It's absurd. He made the right read. And yet, still I wonder.
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LeBron almost always makes the right read there, and it still probably is. Him going 1 on 2 and getting fouled to hit 2/2 at the line is roughly equivalent to Danny Green hitting that shot 4/10 times which is a chance I'll take
 
navery12 said:
LeBron almost always makes the right read there, and it still probably is. Him going 1 on 2 and getting fouled to hit 2/2 at the line is roughly equivalent to Danny Green hitting that shot 4/10 times which is a chance I'll take
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Danny Green, I have realized, is so bad at this point. He doesn’t hit shots he should.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
It was a no call or a charge. I wouldn't call it atrocious at all. The refs were actually decent tonight.
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It’s a no call or a block. Robinson was moving still, and it wasn’t even close. He wasn’t anywhere near set.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
It’s a no call or a block. Robinson was moving still, and it wasn’t even close. He wasn’t anywhere near set.
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They literally reviewed it. It was an easy call. LeBron initiated the contact and Duncan was in a legal guarding position outside the restricted. His further movement didn't block the offensive player since he was already in front of his path. It can't be a no call since there was significant contact such that Duncan could not defend further (on account of LeBron lowering his shoulder and plowing him over).
 
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auror said:
They literally reviewed it. It was an easy call. LeBron initiated the contact and Duncan was in a legal guarding position outside the restricted. His further movement didn't block the offensive player since he was already in front of his path. It can't be a no call since there was significant contact such that Duncan could not defend further (on account of LeBron lowering his shoulder and plowing him over).
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They reviewed it and they got it wrong. Duncan was moving as the contact was initiated and LeBron didn’t even enforce the contact. It was a bad call and a 2/3 point swing. And I haven’t even mentioned how soft the calls Jimmy and Bam have been getting. It’s ridiculous.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
It’s a no call or a block. Robinson was moving still, and it wasn’t even close. He wasn’t anywhere near set.
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It was consistent with how they’ve been calling it for years. The charge call on Caruso was much worse.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
It’s a no call or a block. Robinson was moving still, and it wasn’t even close. He wasn’t anywhere near set.
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You don't have to be "not moving" for it to be a charge. He was squared up and in legal guarding position and Lebron barreled into him ... it's close to a text book charge. I think that was Lebron's first foul of the game and he still whined about it.

He's incredible, and was particularly incredible last night because his jumper was falling, but he's gotten to the point where he genuinely feels he never fouls.
 
Mr. French said:
You don't have to be "not moving" for it to be a charge. He was squared up and in legal guarding position and Lebron barreled into him ... it's close to a text book charge. I think that was Lebron's first foul of the game and he still whined about it.

He's incredible, and was particularly incredible last night because his jumper was falling, but he's gotten to the point where he genuinely feels he never fouls.
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I like the time in the 4th where Lebron caught a bad pass, landed on his ass and slid, and didn't get a travel called on him. Actually, the bigger issue with Lebron is him hammering people on defense and never getting called. The superstar calls are one thing in a midseason game against the Hawks, but this is the NBA Finals and the Heat deserve more respect than the refs are giving them.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I like the time in the 4th where Lebron caught a bad pass, landed on his ass and slid, and didn't get a travel called on him. Actually, the bigger issue with Lebron is him hammering people on defense and never getting called. The superstar calls are one thing in a midseason game against the Hawks, but this is the NBA Finals and the Heat deserve more respect than the refs are giving them.
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no. It should never happen. It’s one of the biggest reasons the nba is trash.

it’s bad enough you see duke unc and mich st get every call under the sun. But the nba just let’s guys ignore the rules entirely
 
auror said:
They literally reviewed it. It was an easy call. LeBron initiated the contact and Duncan was in a legal guarding position outside the restricted. His further movement didn't block the offensive player since he was already in front of his path. It can't be a no call since there was significant contact such that Duncan could not defend further (on account of LeBron lowering his shoulder and plowing him over).
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I disagree on the second part. I thought it should have been a no call. It was not a block.

I thought the call for Butler against AD was also a no call.
 
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Mr. French said:
You don't have to be "not moving" for it to be a charge. He was squared up and in legal guarding position and Lebron barreled into him ... it's close to a text book charge. I think that was Lebron's first foul of the game and he still whined about it.

He's incredible, and was particularly incredible last night because his jumper was falling, but he's gotten to the point where he genuinely feels he never fouls.
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Doesn’t matter if it’s his first foul or his 6th. He was going to the basket on a fast break and Robinson wasn’t in legal guarding position, he just got in his way and half-flopped and got a call. And yeah he complains, but literally every player complains after foul calls, every single one. Ticky tacky fouls that are fouls for everyone don’t look like it on him because he’s built like a train, but they’re still fouls. Also the Heat get every call going to the basket, especially Jimmy who got a few bailout calls in the end there.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Doesn’t matter if it’s his first foul or his 6th. He was going to the basket on a fast break and Robinson wasn’t in legal guarding position, he just got in his way and half-flopped and got a call. And yeah he complains, but literally every player complains after foul calls, every single one. Ticky tacky fouls that are fouls for everyone don’t look like it on him because he’s built like a train, but they’re still fouls. Also the Heat get every call going to the basket, especially Jimmy who got a few bailout calls in the end there.
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I'm not picking on the guy, so you don't have to get all huffy ... but I disagree with most of that post.

First, I never said it mattered as far as the call which foul it was, it mattered that he was complaining like crazy when it was the first foul call on him all game. To add to that, it was definitely a charge and Robinson WAS in legal guarding position. I'd advise you to watch it over again.

I wanted Miami to win so I can see more competition, but I'm not against Lebron, that's an objective standpoint. It's not even close to being anything but a charge.
 
superjohn said:
Anthony Davis should be suspended for game 6.
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Think it'll get upgraded retroactively to flagrant 2. He has one other flagrant 1 this post-season, so that puts him at 3 points and 1 point away from an auto suspension.

It's possible NBA makes him sit 1 anyways (because they need as much money as possible and need game 7 ratings), because they missed the ejection in that game and there's at least some precedent of a hard slap/hit to the face is 1 game suspension.
 
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auror said:
Think it'll get upgraded retroactively to flagrant 2. He has one other flagrant 1 this post-season, so that puts him at 3 points and 1 point away from an auto suspension.

It's possible NBA makes him sit 1 anyways (because they need as much money as possible and need game 7 ratings), because they missed the ejection in that game and there's at least some precedent of a hard slap/hit to the face is 1 game suspension.
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LeBron might win it without him, but it would be an interesting mirror of the Draymond Green incident that cost him Game 6 and opened up the door for the Cavs.
 
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