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Draft over. Surprised Frazier and Alexander didn't get drafted.


What a fall from grace for Alexander. From top 5 high school recruit, to disappointing year at Kansas, to undrafted one and done.
 
Dynasty said:
DeAndre Jordan and Tyson Chandler don't have an offensive game aside from dunks, either.
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I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but how do WCS's measurables compare to those guys? I think your point is valid, though, because it seems to me center is the one position you can get away with using exclusively as a rim-runner.

It's just that I've seen Stein billed as a four, and if you're a four, I think you need more to your game if for no other reason than that you're catch radius is - theoretically - less.
 
3 things I took away from draft....
1)Knicks continue to break my heart
2)Coach Cal proves he can't coach w the talent he gets
3)Kansas amazes me how few players it sends and develop for NBA with all the high recruiting classes
 
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As a Knicks fan, I personally love the Porzingis pick. Kid can be an absolute stud. Best talent available at that point. Didn't expect Phil to do it, but was happy he did. Getting Grant for Hardaway Jr. was a nice move as well.
 
Am I missing something on D'Angelo Russell? Turns the ball over a lot, doesn't shoot well from the field, isn't crazy athletic...
 
Dooley said:
Knicks need to commit to a full rebuild if they are drafting a project at #4. Porzingis is at least 2-3 years away from putting on proper PF/C weight to defend the post. I wonder if this pick signals an upcoming trade of Melo for future draft picks. I can only hope - I've grown tired of being forced to root for this Syraloser.
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I hope this is the case. He is a one dimensional role player (scoring). Granted the team sucked, but if he was a true superstar, they wouldn't have had the worst record in the pethotic east.
 
mjmoney23 said:
I hope this is the case. He is a one dimensional role player (scoring). Granted the team sucked, but if he was a true superstar, they wouldn't have had the worst record in the pethotic east.
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What kind of analysis is that? The guy missed 42 games with an injury and was playing injured in most of the games that he did play. Plus he didn't play any games after the all-star break.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
No idea whatsoever.
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I don't understand all the Kaminsky love. Don't get me wrong, I like him and hope he'll be a solid pro. But he's also the kind of over-celebrated college guy that people have hated in the past. Is he more likable because of his throwback style game or his improvement story or because he looks like a chump but plays like a champ?
I don't think he'll be an all star, but I see solid 12yr career, a winner.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
I don't understand all the Kaminsky love. Don't get me wrong, I like him and hope he'll be a solid pro. But he's also the kind of over-celebrated college guy that people have hated in the past. Is he more likable because of his throwback style game or his improvement story or because he looks like a chump but plays like a champ?
I don't think he'll be an all star, but I see solid 12yr career, a winner.
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He's kind of the opposite of the guys who come out of Duke. Wisconsin is a good program, but is still seen as kind of an underdog. Everyone was rooting for them vs UK, and Duke, thus, they were pulling for Frank. If we had just gotten 4 years of constantly hearing about him, because he was playing for Duke, or Carolina, we'd hate him too.
 
jfuchs91 said:
As a Knicks fan, I personally love the Porzingis pick. Kid can be an absolute stud. Best talent available at that point. Didn't expect Phil to do it, but was happy he did. Getting Grant for Hardaway Jr. was a nice move as well.
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Not a Knicks fan, and the Porzingis pick was bad. You don't pick a project there, because you can't afford to miss. There are much safer picks there, including a guy like Mudiay who still is a super high-ceiling player. Porzingis is not an NBA-level starter right now. Maybe he is later, but maybe he isn't.

The move for Grant was good, but I don't know if he's athletic enough to be a full-time PG in the NBA. We'll see.
 
Tampahusky said:
2)Coach Cal proves he can't coach w the talent he gets
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Elite Eight, Final Four, NCAA Champions, NIT, NCAA Runner-up, Final Four. Please keep stupid comments to yourself.
 
stick said:
That's why Harrell should have declared after last year when he was a near lock for lottery. The Harrison twins were in better position after their freshmen year as well.
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No no no no no. Best indication where you would have been drafted is WHERE YOU ARE DRAFTED.

There is intense scouting, measuring, testing, questioning and assessments that take place AFTER you declare and these are akin to worlds most competitive job interviews. Saying a guy goes #___ before any of this is assuming you get a job b/c you secured one interview amongst 100+ who did the same.

Unless there is a coming glut at your position staying in school helps your game. Harrell showed a jump shot this year and the twins were lauded for getting back to the final four. You think their buzz after getting totally undressed by Bazz and Boat was high?!
 
UcannUconn said:
Am I missing something on D'Angelo Russell? Turns the ball over a lot, doesn't shoot well from the field, isn't crazy athletic...
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Well he carried OSU, shot 45% from the field and 41% from 3 and is a good rebounding guard and passer...so a better question would be what isn't he good at?
 
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CallMeBruce said:
Not a Knicks fan, and the Porzingis pick was bad. You don't pick a project there, because you can't afford to miss. There are much safer picks there, including a guy like Mudiay who still is a super high-ceiling player. Porzingis is not an NBA-level starter right now. Maybe he is later, but maybe he isn't.

The move for Grant was good, but I don't know if he's athletic enough to be a full-time PG in the NBA. We'll see.
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I admit I have no idea how Porzingis will do. Never seen him play but the film on him shows a very talented and mobile 7 footer. Most of the picks are "projects" anyways. How many in this draft will come in and be a dominant force in their 1st year. I think the gamble will pay off.
 
imno1 said:
I admit I have no idea how Porzingis will do. Never seen him play but the film on him shows a very talented and mobile 7 footer. Most of the picks are "projects" anyways. How many in this draft will come in and be a dominant force in their 1st year. I think the gamble will pay off.
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This.

Sure, there's some guys who they could have picked who are more NBA ready but it's not like anyone was going to come in and make them a contender next year.

I personally would have gone with Mudiay, but I don't dislike the pick, and both guys are players we are judging based on limited info.
 
I agree that Kaminski seems dangerous, just his thin frame to me makes me worried, but I was definitely proven wrong when Tayshaun had a nice career and never bulked up. I liked what I saw in Porzingis highlights, but his lowlights are pretty terrifying. I think he will be good as long as someone like Cousins doesn't break him in half before he can mature his body

I am a bit upset that Grant goes to NY, because to me he seems like a slightly stretched out Kemba. Kemba in NY would be a thing of beauty, so I guess now Jerian will be the fake Kemba.

As a Bostonian, the Celtics picks had me scratching my head, maybe a trade is coming, but I don't think Rozier needed to be taken that high. it also seemed like some teams avoided taking a big maybe because they see themselves getting one of the free agents. When that doesn't happen, since theres only a few out there, maybe Philly makes a trade for one of their bigs.

What do you guys think the 76ers plan is? You can't just trade Embiid because he hasn't played and no one knows if he's even valuable. You don't want to trade Nerlens or Okafor unless the price is right, seems like quite a predicament. I think Mudiay would have been the better move but we'll see
 
Rocktheworld said:
One of the analysts, I believe it was Bilas
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Yeah it was Bilas. He said 6.4 per 40 multiple times but he was way off. He averaged 6.4 rebounds per game while playing 26 minutes. Still not a phenomenal rate for a guy who's 7'1" but for Bilas to say his rebounding is a negative is pretty much wrong I think.
 
mets1090 said:
Yeah it was Bilas. He said 6.4 per 40 multiple times but he was way off. He averaged 6.4 rebounds per game while playing 26 minutes. Still not a phenomenal rate for a guy who's 7'1" but for Bilas to say his rebounding is a negative is pretty much wrong I think.
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Yeah I think its somewhat for similar reasons that Brimah doesn't rebound well. Willie comes out to guard smaller players which often wont leave him in any position to get the rebound, just like Brimah is going for the block so he's landing when the rebound is up for grabs (if he didn't block the shot)
 
As a Knicks fan, the thing I took away from the draft is that Phil Jackson absolutely does not care if he fails here. He already won by convincing Dolan to pay him crazy money to do as he pleases, and he's already got enough of a track record prior to this that his NBA legacy is secure irrespective of how either this pick or his Knick tenure in general turn out.

No one truly has any idea how Porzingis will turn out, and the pick is exactly as he described it: a huge risk with a potentially huge payoff. Personally, I think it's reckless, but it is interesting. Part of me is somewhat impressed that he took such a huge gamble, but upon further reflection about his existing legacy, what he inherited, and what he's being paid, I see it moreso as a "Hey, WTF, why not go for it?" move. Historically, these moves have not paid off for the Knicks, but to some degree that does make it slightly more impressive that he was willing to make a decision that has strong potential to be another in a long line of colossal failures for the franchise.
 
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Am I to assume there is a drinking game on NBA draft night whenever an analyst talked about a player's wing span?

Bilas gave mention to America's problem with sobriety as a precursor to mentioning some of the top players' wings spans.
 
jfuchs91 said:
As a Knicks fan, I personally love the Porzingis pick. Kid can be an absolute stud. Best talent available at that point. Didn't expect Phil to do it, but was happy he did. Getting Grant for Hardaway Jr. was a nice move as well.
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Huge risk. I know the Knicks were disappointed they didn't get a top 3 pick, but Porzingis could be the bust of the draft. He's 7'1" and weighs what, like 230 pounds?

I think Knicks fans were right to be pissed.
 
8893 said:
As a Knicks fan, the thing I took away from the draft is that Phil Jackson absolutely does not care if he fails here. He already won by convincing Dolan to pay him crazy money to do as he pleases, and he's already got enough of a track record prior to this that his NBA legacy is secure irrespective of how either this pick or his Knick tenure in general turn out.

No one truly has any idea how Porzingis will turn out, and the pick is exactly as he described it: a huge risk with a potentially huge payoff. Personally, I think it's reckless, but it is interesting. Part of me is somewhat impressed that he took such a huge gamble, but upon further reflection about his existing legacy, what he inherited, and what he's being paid, I see it moreso as a "Hey, WTF, why not go for it?" move. Historically, these moves have not paid off for the Knicks, but to some degree that does make it slightly more impressive that he was willing to make a decision that has strong potential to be another in a long line of colossal failures for the franchise.
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Yea, but historically we haven't made these types of risks, not risks that are focused on the future. They've been more like, "well, this team is struggling, and has no chemistry, so lets trade for a washed up Steve Francis to pair with Marbury, maybe that will turn things around."

I'd rather take a chance on a guy like him than play it safe when you're picking number 4.
 
Ainge has 4 first rounders next year. Here's to hoping we took 3 guards because there is a big trade in the works.
 
The Porzingis pick reminds me of when the Pistons picked Darko #2. The difference is Detroit was in the midst of their Eastern Conference Finals run. They could afford to take a risk. New York is a tire fire.
 
The only way Porzingis selection makes sense is if Phil plans on trading Anthony at some point in the next year. Porzingis is a long-term project in every sense of the word. He needs to add muscle so he can defend the post. He needs to add leg strength so he can bang down low. And he needs to develop rebounding skills. The kid has a fluid stroke and will be able to bring defenders out high. But, the pieces won't come together on his complete game for another few years.

Which leads me to Anthony. Dude is signed to a max contract and his on the wrong side of 30. He's always hurt. He can't defend because he's from Syracheat. Flip him for a pick or two and completely commit to a full and proper rebuild. The Knicks aren't going to win in the next 2-3 years while Porzingis develops. Clear up cap space, add a few assets to get younger, and hope Porzingis fills out his body and potential. Grant becomes the playmaker and then hope to add some scorers through the draft or free agency in 2016.
 
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