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[MilliniumPrince]

I resemble that remark! What are you implying???

My apologies lol

 

[VAMike23]

Great fans, great people. Right @VAMike23?

Here, here!

 

[VAMike23]

Here, here!

Great game, too! Knotted at 64 late in the 4th!

A real barn burner! (Couldn’t resist hehe)

 

[shinobimono]

I would drop the first 3 words in the title (I feel the same but unnecessary) but that's well done.

Good article. Arike is using the "Svengali defence," an actual legal tactic used in courts of law that "purports the defendant to be a pawn in the scheme of a greater and more influential, criminal mastermind." She talks about how she was "baited" by Geno and has said that she let him get into her head, so Geno made me do it. Though if you look at the game video, there is barely, if any, exchange from Geno with her, not sure how he can be trash-talking her as ND fans claim, I've just seen no evidence of it.

 

[JonathanXIV]

I like Devereaux Peters a lot, but I'm afraid she's on the wrong side of this one:

The problem with this interpretation of events (that Geno was baiting Arike), one widely shared on McGraw's Bench, is that it doesn't fit with what we know based on simply watching the video. Geno was talking to a ref and Arike walked toward Geno. Secondly, if Geno was actually baiting a player don't you think he would have received a T as well? The ref was in earshot of both Geno and Arike, and decided to only give Arike a T. All this "Geno was baiting her" is just wishful thinking on the part of Notre Dame apologists.

 

[shinobimono]

I love this quote from CW, it shows that she's been a UConn fan all along and really wanted to beat ND.

"I was at home, and she hit the shot, and I was just devastated," Williams said of Arike Ogunbowale's game-winner for Notre Dame last March. "I wished I could be out there to help. And today, I got my chance to."

 

[ABCDFE]

The problem with this interpretation of events (that Geno was baiting Arike), one widely shared on McGraw's Bench, is that it doesn't fit with what we know based on simply watching the video. Geno was talking to a ref and Arike walked toward Geno. Secondly, if Geno was actually baiting a player don't you think he would have received a T as well? The ref was in earshot of both Geno an Arike, and decided to only give Arike a T. All this "Geno was baiting her" is just wishful thinking on the part of Notre Dame apologist.

Lol, no facts just adding to the hysteria and no mention of the dirty plays which is getting lost in all this Geno vs Arike stuff.

 

[Biff]

The problem with this interpretation of events (that Geno was baiting Arike), one widely shared on McGraw's Bench, is that it doesn't fit with what we know based on simply watching the video. Geno was talking to a ref and Arike walked toward Geno. Secondly, if Geno was actually baiting a player don't you think he would have received a T as well? The ref was in earshot of both Geno an Arike, and decided to only give Arike a T. All this "Geno was baiting her" is just wishful thinking on the part of Notre Dame apologist.

Unfortunately, if you think about it, this "interpretation" is easy to arrive at if you want to get there.

Geno, like just about all D1 coaches was chatting up the ref about things he felt the ref needs to pay attention to or maybe that they missed (in order to, as a minimum, not lose an on court advantage due to officiating "misses") At that point in time it is easy to believe that Geno might have been talking about the chippy play by a star player on the ND team that has potential to cause harm to his players. Arike, hearing Geno complain about her to the officials, combined with the building frustration of the impending loss and her inability to turn that around, exploded at Geno. So you see, if you lay it out that way, by railing to the official about Arike's rough play right in front of her while she's in the midst of losing the game, Geno can easily be interpreted by her as "baited" her.

Now that interpretation would be incorrect but it provides a nice explanation to bridge and cover her unacceptable behavior and push the primary blame to someone else.

So it's not hard to understand, but it doesn't make it correct in any way.

 

[UConnCat]

The problem with this interpretation of events (that Geno was baiting Arike), one widely shared on McGraw's Bench, is that it doesn't fit with what we know based on simply watching the video. Geno was talking to a ref and Arike walked toward Geno. Secondly, if Geno was actually baiting a player don't you think he would have received a T as well? The ref was in earshot of both Geno an Arike, and decided to only give Arike a T. All this "Geno was baiting her" is just wishful thinking on the part of Notre Dame apologist.

I suspect the claim of "baiting" is based on Geno specifically mentioning Arike by name to the ref. That happens all the time. Coaches often reference opposing players when talking to referees: "Hey, keep your eye on so-and-so she's fouling, etc" and coaches don't care if the player hears it or not (nor should they). My guess is that's exactly what Geno did and he probably was talking about the uncalled leg-whip on Dangerfield and was trying to protect his player. What made this so unusual was the player in question interjected herself in to the conversation instead of just walking away.

 

[UConnCat]

Unfortunately, if you think about it, this "interpretation" is easy to arrive at if you want to get there.

Geno, like just about all D1 coaches was chatting up the ref about things he felt the ref needs to pay attention to or maybe that they missed (in order to, as a minimum, not lose an on court advantage due to officiating "misses") At that point in time it is easy to believe that Geno might have been talking about the chippy play by a star player on the ND team that has potential to cause harm to his players. Arike, hearing Geno complain about her to the officials, combined with the building frustration of the impending loss and her inability to turn that around, exploded at Geno. So you see, if you lay it out that way, by railing to the official about Arike's rough play right in front of her while she's in the midst of losing the game, Geno can easily be interpreted by her as "baited" her.

Now that interpretation would be incorrect but it provides a nice explanation to bridge and cover her unacceptable behavior and push the primary blame to someone else.

So it's not hard to understand, but it doesn't make it correct in any way.

My point exactly but you said it better.

 

[Biff]

My point exactly but you said it better.

Ha! I was about to write that you wrote it more concisely.

 

[BobbyJ]

Unfortunately, if you think about it, this "interpretation" is easy to arrive at if you want to get there.

Geno, like just about all D1 coaches was chatting up the ref about things he felt the ref needs to pay attention to or maybe that they missed (in order to, as a minimum, not lose an on court advantage due to officiating "misses") At that point in time it is easy to believe that Geno might have been talking about the chippy play by a star player on the ND team that has potential to cause harm to his players. Arike, hearing Geno complain about her to the officials, combined with the building frustration of the impending loss and her inability to turn that around, exploded at Geno. So you see, if you lay it out that way, by railing to the official about Arike's rough play right in front of her while she's in the midst of losing the game, Geno can easily be interpreted by her as "baited" her.

Now that interpretation would be incorrect but it provides a nice explanation to bridge and cover her unacceptable behavior and push the primary blame to someone else.

So it's not hard to understand, but it doesn't make it correct in any way.

Exactly what my impression has been all along.

 

[uconnfan68]

OK, going to be nice here, no emoji of head banging the wall which would be well deserved.
I saw the game, I have heard and read all the comments and cannot figure out for the life of me how many don't get the fact this was the best thing for women's basketball since ND knocking us out of the tourney.

To end the best rivalry in the woman's game at this point with the position / conference UConn is in would be a suicide setback just like that of Pat's. ( Note recruiting class this year. ) Be aware this would hurt UConn much more than it would ND. How many match ups like this, early in the season are featured in prime time on ESPN?

All that happened in this game was fuel to the fire and what is needed to maintain a great rivalry. That and scrutiny from the media and pressure on ND and the officials should we meet in the final four. I am obviously a little rougher around the edges here than many but I say bring it on!
We embarrassed the #1 team in their house as they continued to embarrass themselves and some want to end the competition ????

Pretty soon, if it isn’t starting already, the new talking points won’t favor us. Want to keep playing 5 on 8, and getting physically maimed too? They put us out in the nether world of conferences, and we’ve still done ok, but that will end sooner than later. We’ll be another mid-major for them to push around. I’d rather leave on our terms.

 

[Plebe]

Pretty soon, if it isn’t starting already, the new talking points won’t favor us. Want to keep playing 5 on 8, and getting physically maimed too? They put us out in the nether world of conferences, and we’ve still done ok, but that will end sooner than later. We’ll be another mid-major for them to push around. I’d rather leave on our terms.

 

[PacoSwede]

Unfortunately, if you think about it, this "interpretation" is easy to arrive at if you want to get there.

Geno, like just about all D1 coaches was chatting up the ref about things he felt the ref needs to pay attention to or maybe that they missed (in order to, as a minimum, not lose an on court advantage due to officiating "misses") At that point in time it is easy to believe that Geno might have been talking about the chippy play by a star player on the ND team that has potential to cause harm to his players. Arike, hearing Geno complain about her to the officials, combined with the building frustration of the impending loss and her inability to turn that around, exploded at Geno. So you see, if you lay it out that way, by railing to the official about Arike's rough play right in front of her while she's in the midst of losing the game, Geno can easily be interpreted by her as "baited" her.

Now that interpretation would be incorrect but it provides a nice explanation to bridge and cover her unacceptable behavior and push the primary blame to someone else.

So it's not hard to understand, but it doesn't make it correct in any way.

Fine, but this is all about a relatively minor issue. Why focus so much attention on this verbal crap when two of our players were subjected to physical assaults -- potentially very dangerous ones, and intentional ones. seems to me that's far more signifigant than this minor dispute

 

[Bretski]

Not true, five people clapping in this picture. Ivey on the left, Lindsay Allen(?) obscured by Muffet head, Whitney Holloway, Michaela Mabrey, and Maddie Cable.

Muffet, her Husband, and Beth Cunningham didn't clap. The rest are either clapping or not in the picture.

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#lawyered hahaha
But glad to see it. I didn’t think it was everyone...I thought it was mostly just Muffet

 

[Bretski]

Explained in detail here: Jewell Loyd Got Game - Bleacher Report

Many of her peers are fiercely loyal to ND. Cable came back for a 5th year. Nelson came back for a fifth year. Turner came back for a fifth year. Allen made a special point to be at the Final Four (iirc, she flew back from playing overseas). Achonwa worked for the team when she was rehabbing her ACL tear. All of them overlapped with Jewell.

Jewell had a rough time at ND. Many of her peers had a great experience. Though, it should be noted that basically all the players from Jewell's era are gone now, with only Brianna Turner remaining.

How the hell did I miss this interview???? I actually always liked Jewell. She was badddddd.

But I like her even more now.

 

[hussybulldog]

Does anyone know what exchange caused MM to block the former UConn player on Twitter ? This what Louisville’ Coach said to MM after last year’s ACC conference final: “My player’s name is Asia Durr.” MM is just so petty, being gracious and nice does not cost her a penny!

 

[Blue Huskie]

Was Peters standing next to Geno when it happened? I didn't see her.

 

[huskeynut]

Fine, but this is all about a relatively minor issue. Why focus so much attention on this verbal crap when two of our players were subjected to physical assaults -- potentially very dangerous ones, and intentional ones. seems to me that's far more signifigant than this minor dispute

Its a "bait and switch" tactic. ND wants no part of AO physical play in any discussion. There is no way ND and Muffeytcan defend AO's play. So Geno is the problem.

 

[JonathanXIV]

Unfortunately, if you think about it, this "interpretation" is easy to arrive at if you want to get there.

Geno, like just about all D1 coaches was chatting up the ref about things he felt the ref needs to pay attention to or maybe that they missed (in order to, as a minimum, not lose an on court advantage due to officiating "misses") At that point in time it is easy to believe that Geno might have been talking about the chippy play by a star player on the ND team that has potential to cause harm to his players. Arike, hearing Geno complain about her to the officials, combined with the building frustration of the impending loss and her inability to turn that around, exploded at Geno. So you see, if you lay it out that way, by railing to the official about Arike's rough play right in front of her while she's in the midst of losing the game, Geno can easily be interpreted by her as "baited" her.

Now that interpretation would be incorrect but it provides a nice explanation to bridge and cover her unacceptable behavior and push the primary blame to someone else.

So it's not hard to understand, but it doesn't make it correct in any way.

Agreed, it's not hard to understand. Particularly if this is the conclusion that you want to arrive at. I think your description of the likely events is exactly correct. Not hard to understand the "baiting" story, but difficult to believe if one looks at the situation objectively.

 

[Rocket009]

Agreed, it's not hard to understand. Particularly if this is the conclusion that you want to arrive at. I think your description of the likely events is exactly correct. Not hard to understand the "baiting" story, but difficult to believe if one looks at the situation objectively.

The baiting angle is just trying to change the discussion and fuzz over the issue of some nasty play by AO. Geno was not involved in the undercutting of CW, the trip of CD nor the head twist. Also Geno was not at the OSU game. So all the "Geno was baiting" is just trying to move the attention away from a player who deserves some scrutiny.

 

[hussybulldog]

Looks like all the online Arike supporters all believe Geno was trashing talking TO Arike and could not tell us how trashy that talk was! I m sure if it were trashy enough, Geno would have got a T. At the same time we all know Arike said word to the opposing coach which earned her a T. Case closed! Even if one ignores what had happened on the court prior to that episode, I just do not understand why anyone would choose to rip Geno for allegedly baiting which did not earned him a T but to defend Arike for allegedly taking the bait, portraying her as an innocent little kid trying to defend herself from an old man. Just bizarre. She is not a freshman. She could let MM do the dirty work.

 

[OoImFancy]

It was 2+ hours of disrespect to their fans, their opponent (the pre-game intro, the fouls, and the stuff directed at Lou post-game) and to the game itself.

What happened post-game with Lou? I know she and Mabrey had some exchanges on the floor but didn’t know if anything additional transpired.

 

[OoImFancy]

Unsportsmanlike foul for elbowing Thropay in the face. You can read through this thread for more on that:

#1 Notre Dame vs. #9 Oregon State

How many unsportsmanlike calls do you need against you before the NCAA takes action? She can try that multiple times in the WNBA and see some suspensions coming her way for sure.

 

[Tonyc]

This game got to be chippy at times as demonstrated by an Ogunbowale elbow that was jabbed into the throat of Janessa Thropay. She was eventually charged for unsportsmanlike conduct after the referees reviewed the tape when play came to a stop on a Thropay blocking foul against Ogunbowale. How it was justified she could stay in the game was beyond me.

Oregon State Women’s Basketball Can’t Finish Upset Against Notre Dame, Fall 91-81

There was this from March too

Ogunbowale was whistled for a technical foul for kicking her leg up and tripping FSU's Nicki Ekhomu after a turnover with 59.1 seconds left in the first half. Ekhomu hit both free throws for a 41-40 lead, part of FSU's 14-4 run to close the second quarter and erase a 38-29 deficit.

No. 5 Notre Dame women top No. 11 Florida St 90-80 in ACCs

I can sorta, almost understand losing ones mind once but three times in 9 months?

Well Im wondering if there should be a suspension. This has occurred to often.

 

[HuskyNan]

Too much speculation in this thread. Please read the thread tacked to the top of the board