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FriarJ said:
Ollie has a decade of NBA experience and has coached a team to a NC, oh and NBA stars show up at AAU events to hang with him, The school itself has won an amazing 4 NC's in 15 years. Chill is a top notch recruiter and the facilities are as good as anywhere.

I know many here don't want to hear this or even consider this but it's the conference, yes there are good teams in the conference but there are too many dregs and they are all a long long way from Hartford and NYC. How long before Ollie goes to Herbst and tells her this or maybe he already has?
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There is no question - the conference is, has been and will be a problem.

There is zero doubt about that. There are some kids who simply will not want to play in the American. It's not a secret.

But there have been some self-inflicted wounds over the past year that might take a little bit of time to overcome. They should still be able to pull in top 100 kids over the other locals.
 
methodology said:
@husky99 if he's top priority the head coach at least calls. Don't you think?
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Are you talking ku or RU? I never said casey was KU top recruit.
Different schools use the phone differently. I read last summer that cal calks 2 to 3 hours a day to recruits
 
Fishy said:
There is no question - the conference is, has been and will be a problem.

There is zero doubt about that. There are some kids who simply will not want to play in the American. It's not a secret.

But there have been some self-inflicted wounds over the past year that might take a little bit of time to overcome. They should still be able to pull in top 100 kids over the other locals.
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Take this. Sticky it. Drop it in every thread where there's talk about the conference being the issue.

Underachieving, esp 2 years with Miller and Gibbs, the last few years in a conference that we should dominate, is a huge issue as well.
 
FriarJ said:
Ollie has a decade of NBA experience and has coached a team to a NC, oh and NBA stars show up at AAU events to hang with him, The school itself has won an amazing 4 NC's in 15 years. Chill is a top notch recruiter and the facilities are as good as anywhere.

I know many here don't want to hear this or even consider this but it's the conference, yes there are good teams in the conference but there are too many dregs and they are all a long long way from Hartford and NYC. How long before Ollie goes to Herbst and tells her this or maybe he already has?
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If they were recruiting against Michigan, it would be the conference.

Why? Because of marquee games and TV.

But against Rutgers? No.

UConn has Villanova, Syracuse, Arizona, Auburn this year and in future years. They also have big tournaments that Rutgers doesn't participate in, like Maui or this year's Nike. Games against Oregon, and then potentially Michigan St, North Carolina, Arkansas, Arizona.

This is just the OOC slate.

In season, UConn faces Cincy, Wichita St., SMU, but it has a total of 15 games on ESPN, ESPN2 or CBS.

In other words, UConn has a much better OOC and is on prime TV a lot more.

Rutgers? They have Seton Hall and East Carolina. Also I see a listing for B1G and ACC challenge.

3 games, only 1 against P5, and we don't even know who that is.
 
FriarJ said:
Ollie has a decade of NBA experience and has coached a team to a NC, oh and NBA stars show up at AAU events to hang with him, The school itself has won an amazing 4 NC's in 15 years. Chill is a top notch recruiter and the facilities are as good as anywhere.

I know many here don't want to hear this or even consider this but it's the conference, yes there are good teams in the conference but there are too many dregs and they are all a long long way from Hartford and NYC. How long before Ollie goes to Herbst and tells her this or maybe he already has?
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Its Rutgers........Rutgers....If we cant beat them then we mine as well close up shop now.
 
upstater said:
If they were recruiting against Michigan, it would be the conference.

Why? Because of marquee games and TV.

But against Rutgers? No.
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You have it exactly wrong.

The only reason Rutgers is lined up opposite UConn on this one is because of the conference. They are not even in a conversation involving UConn if they didn't have the boost from their conference affiliation relative to ours.

Kids don't give a crap about out of conference schedules. What does Montez Mathis care about UConn playing in the PK80? Nothing.
 
Fishy said:
You have it exactly wrong.

The only reason Rutgers is lined up opposite UConn on this one is because of the conference. They are not even in a conversation involving UConn if they didn't have the boost from their conference affiliation relative to ours.

Kids don't give a crap about out of conference schedules. What does Montez Mathis care about UConn playing in the PK80? Nothing.
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I'm saying UConn has more exposure and marquee games.

In other words, Rutgers is the wrong decision for him if he wants more exposure (presumably that's why conference matters at all).

Friar was saying that UConn has too many games against the dregs.

Well, not only does Rutgers have a lot of games against dregs, but they are never on TV!!

As for PK80, UConn does Maui next year, doesn't it?

That's another 3 or 4 games.
 
Umm isn't RU the dregs?

We've been through this. What good is being in a good conference if you're going to BY FAR the worst school in the conference? It'd be like going to DePaul in the Big East days. You're signing up to get crushed on a nightly basis. If you don't care about winning or playing in any kind of post-season tournament - and all you want is to be option #1. Go for it.
 
FriarJ said:
Ollie has a decade of NBA experience and has coached a team to a NC, oh and NBA stars show up at AAU events to hang with him, The school itself has won an amazing 4 NC's in 15 years. Chill is a top notch recruiter and the facilities are as good as anywhere.

I know many here don't want to hear this or even consider this but it's the conference, yes there are good teams in the conference but there are too many dregs and they are all a long long way from Hartford and NYC. How long before Ollie goes to Herbst and tells her this or maybe he already has?
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The state spent 90 million on a football stadium to save UConn's basketball programs when the Div 1 apocalypse occurs. We are in far too deep to walk away from it now.
 
Montez needs to be 100% - we don't need another commit and leave before it starts.

If anything this might be Chill trying a hard close too quickly. People in sales know this, where you have them hooked and then they realize there is no time crunch and the deal won't go away so they take the power back.

I want guys who want to be here 100% - that has been our recipe for success in the past.
 
Fishy said:
You have it exactly wrong.

The only reason Rutgers is lined up opposite UConn on this one is because of the conference. They are not even in a conversation involving UConn if they didn't have the boost from their conference affiliation relative to ours.

Kids don't give a crap about out of conference schedules. What does Montez Mathis care about UConn playing in the PK80? Nothing.
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The AAC is coming along nicely. No thanks to our recent performances. The way for UConn to boost conference perception is to start winning. Conference performance/perception and UConn performance/perception are innately tied together.
The conference isn't why UConn has been down. It's been the struggles and the injuries.
Sure, Rutgers is boosted from their affiliation... but this isn't about the conference bringing UConn down. That's an absurd backdoor conclusion to make.
Recruiting will always be about relationships. UConn can still offer nationally competitive schedules and NCAA hopes.
 
If you think the American, a conference that didn't exist when these kids were growing up, isn't an issue, you do not know what you're talking about and should probably stop as soon as humanly possible.
 
TRest said:
The state spent 90 million on a football stadium to save UConn's basketball programs when the Div 1 apocalypse occurs.
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And it didn't work.
 
Waquoit said:
And it didn't work.
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Agreed. But if the BCS schools decide to split in order to shake off about 200 plus Div 1 hoops programs who have no business in Div 1, then maybe Lew Perkins was right.
 
StunningSteve said:
The AAC is coming along nicely. No thanks to our recent performances. The way for UConn to boost conference perception is to start winning. Conference performance/perception and UConn performance/perception are innately tied together.
The conference isn't why UConn has been down. It's been the struggles and the injuries.
Sure, Rutgers is boosted from their affiliation... but this isn't about the conference bringing UConn down. That's an absurd backdoor conclusion to make.
Recruiting will always be about relationships. UConn can still offer nationally competitive schedules and NCAA hopes.
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The problem with the American is as much about geography as it is USF, Tulane, ECU, and Tulsa's programs and RPI dragging everything down. It can't be easy to sit in the house of a recruit and tell his parents I know these schools are in the middle of nowhere but we are on TV.
 
Fishy said:
If you think the American, a conference that didn't exist when these kids were growing up, isn't an issue, you do not know what you're talking about and should probably stop as soon as humanly possible.
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If UConn is winning big there is no issue. UConn has actually let down the conference recently, so blaming the conference is stupid.

You're deflecting.
 
JSM1970 said:
Haha, leave a P5 program to coach a middling AAC program

Got it
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p5 is football. Rutgers will never have the advantages of their more well-heeled conference mates. Coaches will always flock to the upper-tier of the 7 Major conferences.

FriarJ said:
The problem with the American is as much about geography as it is USF, Tulane, ECU, and Tulsa's programs and RPI dragging everything down. It can't be easy to sit in the house of a recruit and tell his parents I know these schools are in the middle of nowhere but we are on TV.
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Friar, those schools aren't in the middle of nowhere. Tampa, New Orleans, and even Tulsa, are every bit as desirable as every other destination in college sports. Tulsa has made a tourney recently and - coupled with the Wichita State addition - gives the conference a nice bridge in the West. The AAC footprint is actually filled with decent destinations that, outside of Greenville, are very easy to fly into.

Those destinations can just as easily be seen as a recruiting advantage.
 
Fishy said:
You have it exactly wrong.

The only reason Rutgers is lined up opposite UConn on this one is because of the conference. They are not even in a conversation involving UConn if they didn't have the boost from their conference affiliation relative to ours.

Kids don't give a crap about out of conference schedules. What does Montez Mathis care about UConn playing in the PK80? Nothing.
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You don't give any credit to Pikiell and Hobbs? You know their schtick right now is to cloak themselves in UConn's success. I suspect that's hook right now.
 
CL82 said:
You don't give any credit to Pikiell and Hobbs? You know their schtick right now is to cloak themselves in UConn's success. I suspect that's hook right now.
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The hook right now is the Big Ten and the fact that Pikiell, unlike everyone else who has ever been employed by Rutgers, is not a raging incompetent. Don't confuse the idiocy of the Rutgers' social media team with Pikiell.
 
StunningSteve said:
p5 is football. Rutgers will never have the advantages of their more well-heeled conference mates. Coaches will always flock to the upper-tier of the 7 Major conferences.



Friar, those schools aren't in the middle of nowhere. Tampa, New Orleans, and even Tulsa, are every bit as desirable as every other destination in college sports. Tulsa has made a tourney recently and - coupled with the Wichita State addition - gives the conference a nice bridge in the West. The AAC footprint is actually filled with decent destinations that, outside of Greenville, are very easy to fly into.

Those destinations can just as easily be seen as a recruiting advantage.
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The fact that you think a bridge to the west is a nice thing for UConn basketball speaks volumes that you are missing my point. Parents of kids in NJ have to spend some serious coin to get to most away games. Nothing about travel in The American is easy for anyone. Only one school is located in the same geographic area of the country as UConn. There is no way that can be spun as a recruiting advantage.
 
Fishy said:
The hook right now is the Big Ten and the fact that Pikiell, unlike everyone else who has ever been employed by Rutgers, is not a raging incompetent. Don't confuse the idiocy of the Rutgers' social media team with Pikiell.
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I'd go with the VT, ACC and Buzz if that's what it comes down to. Both are more accomplished than Rutgers, Big 10, and Pikiell.

Both of those aren't as accomplished as what's here in Storrs.
 
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