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Just heard a big gasp coming from the WVU board.
 
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Mizzou concludes its press briefing and not one bit of the news pointed to the Tigers staying in the Big 12.
 
Section205 said:
Just heard a big gasp coming from the WVU board.
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Posted: Today 8:14 PM
Re: This could be bad news


This is the best news we could get. If you don't understand why let me explain. Now Baylor will definitely sue and prevent both TAMU and Missouri from moving and we will be #13. All part of our master plan, don't you see?
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I think (s)he is being sarcastic, but you never know...
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I think that's what we have to hope for at this point.

If they hold the line with the remaining 8 teams (assuming Mizzou bolts) I fear they could very well take Louisville, Cincy, TCU and WV. Which would be the absolute worse case scenario (well I guess if ND joined Big10 or ACC with Rutgers, that would be the worse case scenario).
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I can't imagine what is keeping Missouri from committing to the B12. Is it the exit fee, the length of the commitment, the LHN or something else?

My guess is that they don't want to stay with Texas and they are SEC bound. And my guess is OU and OSU have just called the PAC and asked to join without Texas and TT. This will make the B12 history.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I can't imagine what is keeping Missouri from committing to the B12. Is it the exit fee, the length of the commitment, the LHN or something else?

My guess is that they don't want to stay with Texas and they are SEC bound. And my guess is OU and OSU have just called the PAC and asked to join without Texas and TT.
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Becasue Mizzou was so crucial to them? If they got a revenue deal hammered out, I have to think they will look to bring in BYU or whoever... *shudder*
 
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fleudslipcon said:
I can't imagine what is keeping Missouri from committing to the B12. Is it the exit fee, the length of the commitment, the LHN or something else?

My guess is that they don't want to stay with Texas and they are SEC bound. And my guess is OU and OSU have just called the PAC and asked to join without Texas and TT. This will make the B12 history.
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OU and OSU already tried that. Pac 12 didn't bite.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I can't imagine what is keeping Missouri from committing to the B12. Is it the exit fee, the length of the commitment, the LHN or something else?

My guess is that they don't want to stay with Texas and they are SEC bound. And my guess is OU and OSU have just called the PAC and asked to join without Texas and TT.
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From everything I've read, Mizzou would rather be in the B1G. Which makes sense because they fit in culturally, competitively, academically and geographically.

However, it doesn't appear that the B1G offer is on the table. I bet they give one last kick of the tires with the B1G, and then join the SEC. Realistically, there is no way you can turn down the best football conference in the USA for the instability and Texctatorship of the Big12.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if OU and OSU tried to open negotiations again with the PAC. How likely is it that they end up there? I have no clue.
 
I think only 2 teams actively tried. OU and UT were under political pressure to bring their little brothers along. TTU and OSU are just along to ride the coattails.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
From everything I've read, Mizzou would rather be in the B1G. Which makes sense because they fit in culturally, competitively, academically and geographically.

However, it doesn't appear that the B1G offer is on the table. I bet they give one last kick of the tires with the B1G, and then join the SEC. Realistically, there is no way you can turn down the best football conference in the USA for the instability and Texactatorship of the Big12.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if OU and OSU tried to open negotiations again with the PAC. How likely is it that they end up there? I have no clue.
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I got the impression OU and OSU went with Texas and TT as a unit to join the PAC. As much as OU and OSU would prefer being with those teams if possible I believe they see the handwriting on the wall and move independently.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I got the impression OU and OSU went with Texas and TT as a unit to join the PAC. As much as OU and OSU would prefer being with those teams if possible I believe they see the handwriting on the wall and move independently.
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Everything I read/heard indicated there was never a vote by the Pac-12 Presidents on anything relating to expansion as the majority of them didn't have any interest regardless of who the possible additions were.
 
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If Missouri can gain entrance to the SEC, they should run, not walk. Money + stability = case closed.

They'll make new friends to replace Kansas.
 
>> I got the impression OU and OSU went with Texas and TT as a unit to join the PAC. <<

Two years running the Bevo 4 tried to throw Missouri and the Bevo Droppings under the bus. Fool me once... Fool me twice....

If Texas would agree to the PAC-12 Tier 3 formula they'd all be gone......or at least up for a vote. Without that Larry Scott said 'No'. Long story short UCLA and USC said yes to the Tier 3 formula and that took some real negotiating effort.
 
Obviously Missouri is choosing to cover their butts when going to the SEC. They learned something over the Texas A&M and Baylor lawsuit fracas.

Texas A&M says the SEC will be 13 teams for a long, long time. That was a kiss off with a wink to the B12..

Then that's echoed by every SEC coach. 12 more kiss offs and winks to the B12

Now the obligatory Missouri statement "We haven't spoken to anyone. Ever." The 14th kiss off and wink to the B12.

It's now on the clock.
 
The Big 12 has a big problem, because two of their biggest markets (Kansas City and St. Louis) have said goodbye with Missouri. The smart move for the Big East football schools is to propose a merger of the Big East, Big 12 and BYU.
 
I posted this in response to an older thread I started on the Football board, but I think this is the far more appropriate venue:

First, I apologize for being the guy who revives his own thread. But the Mizzou press conference to me said " The Big12 - we're over it. If we have to we'll go to the SEC, but we'd just assume go to B1G if you'd just come around to asking."

Which, if Mizzou can leverage them into an offer, and I think they can, this puts both the SEC and the B1G at an awkward / unstable 13 team configuration with presumably 3 moves left each, which if I were Deleaney, I would play two more immediately.

First, why do I take Mizzou if I am the B1G?...because it can have the effect of forcing ND's hand. If you take them together with UConn and Rutgers you have: 1) added / further penetrated 26.8 million homes for your network (NY/NJ/PA - 19M; StL/KC - 4.8M; Hart/NH/Stam: 3M) vastly increasing the value of your network and payout to your members; 2) taken away the ACC's presumed backstop in UConn/Rutgers; 3)opened the ACC for poaching. With one spot remaining you make overtures to Texas (which you don't plan to get, but hang on).

This single move then forces the SEC to make offensive moves to bring Texas into the conference and keep the B1G out of their backyard. Assuming for the sake of argument that the SEC poaches one of UL / WVU (which I personally think UL brings more to the table) then I believe that the SEC also pulls one team from the ACC - which I won't bother to speculate because frankly it doesn't matter to this scenario. Now the SEC is also at 15 teams and the ACC is actually weaker by adding Cuse / Pitt and losing one of FSU/VT/Clemson and is sitting at 13 teams.

By this point I have to imagine, despite the decades of tradition, that ND needs to make a decision - especially given that the B1G is openly courting Texas for the final spot. And looking around at a stable 15 team conference that still offers them fair exposure to the NE (PSU / Rutgers / UConn) versus an ACC that with legitimately 2 strong football teams needing to add an additional 3 members that may consist of the likes of WVU and who knows who else at that point, I can't imagine them not signing up. And to address the question, would the B1G really want Texas? I would think no. ND, in this scenario, would be the coalescing factor that unites and completely penetrates NYC and, let's not forget Chicago, a market of 9.4 millino covered by Northwestern / Illinois but, like NYC with UConn/Rutgers, needing that glue to sow it up.

Texas falls to the SEC, Pac-10 gets OK / OK State and may even stay at 14, the Big12 scoops up the remaining Big East / independents, and the ACC can suck balls.

Just this guys .02.
 
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I simply can not imagine Ohio State at the Rent...
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Looks like they are history. Worst case scenario for UConn. Here we come, CAA.
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Wait, you've been arguing that all we have to do is pledge to stick together, invite UMass and Houston, and the big east will survive.

Wait, you also said Texas A&M wasn't going to the SEC.

Nevermind.
 
@KySportsRadioMatt Jones

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Two sources tell KSR to expect the Big 12 to issue an invite to Louisville by the end of the week.
 
The big monkey wrench in your proposed plan: The LHN for this to work, it needs to go bye bye...and there is zero chance of that happening.


WestHartHusk said:
I posted this in response to an older thread I started on the Football board, but I think this is the far more appropriate venue:

First, I apologize for being the guy who revives his own thread. But the Mizzou press conference to me said " The Big12 - we're over it. If we have to we'll go to the SEC, but we'd just assume go to B1G if you'd just come around to asking."

Which, if Mizzou can leverage them into an offer, and I think they can, this puts both the SEC and the B1G at an awkward / unstable 13 team configuration with presumably 3 moves left each, which if I were Deleaney, I would play two more immediately.

First, why do I take Mizzou if I am the B1G?...because it can have the effect of forcing ND's hand. If you take them together with UConn and Rutgers you have: 1) added / further penetrated 26.8 million homes for your network (NY/NJ/PA - 19M; StL/KC - 4.8M; Hart/NH/Stam: 3M) vastly increasing the value of your network and payout to your members; 2) taken away the ACC's presumed backstop in UConn/Rutgers; 3)opened the ACC for poaching. With one spot remaining you make overtures to Texas (which you don't plan to get, but hang on).

This single move then forces the SEC to make offensive moves to bring Texas into the conference and keep the B1G out of their backyard. Assuming for the sake of argument that the SEC poaches one of UL / WVU (which I personally think UL brings more to the table) then I believe that the SEC also pulls one team from the ACC - which I won't bother to speculate because frankly it doesn't matter to this scenario. Now the SEC is also at 15 teams and the ACC is actually weaker by adding Cuse / Pitt and losing one of FSU/VT/Clemson and is sitting at 13 teams.

By this point I have to imagine, despite the decades of tradition, that ND needs to make a decision - especially given that the B1G is openly courting Texas for the final spot. And looking around at a stable 15 team conference that still offers them fair exposure to the NE (PSU / Rutgers / UConn) versus an ACC that with legitimately 2 strong football teams needing to add an additional 3 members that may consist of the likes of WVU and who knows who else at that point, I can't imagine them not signing up. And to address the question, would the B1G really want Texas? I would think no. ND, in this scenario, would be the coalescing factor that unites and completely penetrates NYC and, let's not forget Chicago, a market of 9.4 millino covered by Northwestern / Illinois but, like NYC with UConn/Rutgers, needing that glue to sow it up.

Texas falls to the SEC, Pac-10 gets OK / OK State and may even stay at 14, the Big12 scoops up the remaining Big East / independents, and the ACC can suck balls.

Just this guys .02.
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Then watch how fast Pitino releases statements saying Louisville is just doing what's best for them.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Wait, you've been arguing that all we have to do is pledge to stick together, invite UMass and Houston, and the big east will survive.

Wait, you also said Texas A&M wasn't going to the SEC.

Nevermind.
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I missed the press release where anyone followed my advice on sticking together. BTW, Jurich was saying the same thing, but what does he know?

Your advice has been "beg harder", and it has taken us this far. I guess that is all any of us got now.
 
WestHartHusk said:
I posted this in response to an older thread I started on the Football board, but I think this is the far more appropriate venue:

First, I apologize for being the guy who revives his own thread. But the Mizzou press conference to me said " The Big12 - we're over it. If we have to we'll go to the SEC, but we'd just assume go to B1G if you'd just come around to asking."

Which, if Mizzou can leverage them into an offer, and I think they can, this puts both the SEC and the B1G at an awkward / unstable 13 team configuration with presumably 3 moves left each, which if I were Deleaney, I would play two more immediately.

First, why do I take Mizzou if I am the B1G?...because it can have the effect of forcing ND's hand. If you take them together with UConn and Rutgers you have: 1) added / further penetrated 26.8 million homes for your network (NY/NJ/PA - 19M; StL/KC - 4.8M; Hart/NH/Stam: 3M) vastly increasing the value of your network and payout to your members; 2) taken away the ACC's presumed backstop in UConn/Rutgers; 3)opened the ACC for poaching. With one spot remaining you make overtures to Texas (which you don't plan to get, but hang on).

This single move then forces the SEC to make offensive moves to bring Texas into the conference and keep the B1G out of their backyard. Assuming for the sake of argument that the SEC poaches one of UL / WVU (which I personally think UL brings more to the table) then I believe that the SEC also pulls one team from the ACC - which I won't bother to speculate because frankly it doesn't matter to this scenario. Now the SEC is also at 15 teams and the ACC is actually weaker by adding Cuse / Pitt and losing one of FSU/VT/Clemson and is sitting at 13 teams.

By this point I have to imagine, despite the decades of tradition, that ND needs to make a decision - especially given that the B1G is openly courting Texas for the final spot. And looking around at a stable 15 team conference that still offers them fair exposure to the NE (PSU / Rutgers / UConn) versus an ACC that with legitimately 2 strong football teams needing to add an additional 3 members that may consist of the likes of WVU and who knows who else at that point, I can't imagine them not signing up. And to address the question, would the B1G really want Texas? I would think no. ND, in this scenario, would be the coalescing factor that unites and completely penetrates NYC and, let's not forget Chicago, a market of 9.4 millino covered by Northwestern / Illinois but, like NYC with UConn/Rutgers, needing that glue to sow it up.

Texas falls to the SEC, Pac-10 gets OK / OK State and may even stay at 14, the Big12 scoops up the remaining Big East / independents, and the ACC can suck balls.

Just this guys .02.
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i have toggled between theories wrt the b1g recently, though i am now firmly (for the moment) of the belief that delaney is not interested in the northeast as a first option - he is interested in unc, uva and umd. they are the 3 big, public ivy research universities on the east coast, and all in demographically attractive markets. my theory is that he is hoping the acc will become destabilized by losing fsu and clemson - so that these 3 acc founders will decide to set their history aside and join the b1g. it is a longshot i think, but i believe (based upon nothing more than blind guesswork) this is what he really wants (besides ND of course).

this is the only thing that makes sense: delaney is by all accounts competent and actively monitoring the expansion landscape; the b1g is in prime position to take who they want including ru/uconn; the b1g is truly in danger of losing the northeast if the acc takes ru/uconn; the acc has indicated through sources that ru/uconn is next on their radar. it appears the b1g would need to swoop in lest they lose the northeast forever, yet the b1g is not moving. contradictions do not exist.

the northeast is a screen for what they really want, and what they really want is only going to happen if the acc loses enough football brands to make uva/unc simultaneously nervous. and i think the acc knows this - or maybe i am completely wrong.
 
auggie22 said:
i have toggled between theories wrt the b1g recently, though i am now firmly (for the moment) of the belief that delaney is not interested in the northeast as a first option - he is interested in unc, uva and umd. they are the 3 big, public ivy research universities on the east coast, and all in demographically attractive markets. my theory is that he is hoping the acc will become destabilized by losing fsu and clemson - so that these 3 acc founders will decide to set their history aside and join the b1g. it is a longshot i think, but i believe (based upon nothing more than blind guesswork) this is what he really wants (besides ND of course).

this is the only thing that makes sense: delaney is by all accounts competent and actively monitoring the expansion landscape; the b1g is in prime position to take who they want including ru/uconn; the b1g is truly in danger of losing the northeast if the acc takes ru/uconn; the acc has indicated through sources that ru/uconn is next on their radar. it appears the b1g would need to swoop in lest they lose the northeast forever, yet the b1g is not moving. contradictions do not exist.

the northeast is a screen for what they really want, and what they really want is only going to happen if the acc loses enough football brands to make uva/unc simultaneously nervous. and i think the acc knows this - or maybe i am completely wrong.
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Good points and good discussion. I had never considered UVA/UNC/UMD but that is as good/likely a scenario as any other.
 
WestHartHusk said:
Good points and good discussion. I had never considered UVA/UNC/UMD but that is as good/likely a scenario as any other.
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This would probably mean Uconn to the ACC but my feeling is very little else happens. Missouri stays in the Big 12 along with Texas; FSU, Clemson, VA Tech stay in the ACC and we are stuck in what is left of the BE with the addition of a couple of football members that will do nothing for basketball. How excited would we be for a big basketball matchup with Boise State in Idaho?
 
The Big Ten does not give a rat's ass about the northeast. That's media babble.

The Big Ten also doesn't panic, doesn't make rushed moves and they don't seem to make mistakes - it all comes from dealing from a position of power.

They can do nothing and continue on quite happily.
 
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