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John Glass said:
In 2006 Maryland had 5 players that went on to play pro, and they beat Duke when Duke choked free throws . Elite Eight is setting the bar pretty low when you have top 5 recruiting classes.
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They did not have top five recruiting classes every year. There were down years between 2005 and 2010.
 
Geez, who invited serious conversation into a lighthearted thread?
 
HuskyNan said:
ND joined the Big East for women's basketball in 1995 (for the 1995-96 season).

ND's conference record:

Conference tournament champions
1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994 (MCC)
Conference regular season champions
1985, 1986 (North Star)
1989, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1995 (MCC)
2001, 2012 (Big East)
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I'm not calling them a powerhouse, but how many times has ND finished in the top 2 of the BE or runner up in the BET? Without the advantage/disadvantage of playing in a conference with UConn they very well would match and surpass any of the other teams mentioned when factoring in regular season and conference tourney champs. Put Duke, Stanford, UNC, and Oklahoma in the Big East and they would have none...possibly a combined one or two titles. Four different conference teams that are good enough to have been in a national title game can skew conference success and standings.
 
rjp172 said:
I'm not calling them a powerhouse, but how many times has ND finished in the top 2 of the BE or runner up in the BET?
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Your point is well taken. Most schools would be behind UConn.

But you're asking the question as if it's a lot without supplying an answer.

So, how many times have they finished in the top 2 in the BE or runner up in the BET?
 
doggydaddy said:
Your point is well taken. Most schools would be behind UConn.

But you're asking the question as if it's a lot without supplying an answer.

So, how many times have they finished in the top 2 in the BE or runner up in the BET?
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ND archives are very organized and detailed, but from what I can tell:
96-97 Runner Up in both BE and BET, F4
97-98 Runner Up BET, E8
98-99 BET runner up
99-00 BET Semi, S16
00-01 Tie 1st BE, Runner Up BET, National Champion
01-00 4 S16, a couple BET semi losses against UConn, not sure of the regular season standings. Don't recall them getting better than 3rd in that time period. Closer to 5th in that span.

00-11 Tie for 2nd BE, BET runner up, National Runner up
11-12 BE regular season champ, BET runner-up, National runner up.

Looks like if UConn was the brick wall that they are that would be at least 11 regular season or tourney championships. Who knows if they didn't play UConn in the BET semis.

There is about 9 years in between that ND only got 4 S16 about every other year that keeps them from being considered "elite" or "powerhouse" in my mind. They not only had UConn in those years they had Rutgers and Louisville when they were national championship game caliber. The rest of their history shows 2nd fiddle to UConn except on a few occasions. If the criteria that was suggested by another poster is used and you factor in conference regular season and tourney results to determine if a team is a "powerhouse" ND and the rest of the conference has a built in handicap because they have to go through UConn. Take UConn out of the equation and the numbers match up to the accomplishments of the other teams that were being suggested. Again, if any of those teams played in the BE and they had to go through UConn they wouldn't by in large have those titles.
 
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With 10 pages of posts, one thing we can say is this thread on whether or not Maryland is a powerhouse is, in itself, a powerhouse.
 
Come on! If we get to 100 replies I may get another point!
 
UConnChapette said:
What does this mean? (Yes, doing my part even if it is not on topic at all!)
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Trophy Points! You and I and everybody on the BY has 590 Trophy Points. I'm shooting for 591!
 
John Glass said:
How many final fours without Walz ? Their non- conference schedule has been weak at best, so they have over 20 easy games every year, their record vs ranked teams is nothing special. The pollsters look at the record, not the schedule. UNC was highly ranked most of last season, and didn't make the NCAA tournament.

They have played several NCAA tournament games at home, which is a big advantage. Then they get tough road games, and struggle like in the 31 point lose to Notre Dame.

Frese is clueless about fundamentals, 10 years of bad defense , and terrible ball handling. Frese has worn a microphone for several games, and all she ever says is "we need more energy"

Tiresome no , the truth

Good maybe, a great team AKA Powerhouse nope.
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careful, your fangs are showing. and when we make the final four this year will you eat your words? or make up a new excuse for why they are successful? i love the stuff about walz in particular - common knowledge that HE was the coach? LV made one basket in the last 6 minutes of the NCAA game againt UMD last year. UMD coached by brenda played better defense than LV coached by waltz. what say you??
 
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1fan said:
careful, your fangs are showing. and when we make the final four this year will you eat your words? or make up a new excuse for why they are successful? i love the stuff about walz in particular - common knowledge that HE was the coach? LV made one basket in the last 6 minutes of the NCAA game againt UMD last year. UMD coached by brenda played better defense than LV coached by waltz. what say you??
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I say that even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion.

For the season:

Scoring defense - 153rd
FG% defense - 28th
3pt FG defense - 51st


Now, you want defense? Uconn held Louisville, at the Yum, to 25% shooting. Over the entire game, not just the last 6 minutes.

Maryland in the FF? Stranger things have happened. But don't hold your breath.
 
sarals24 said:
Maryland in the Final Four?? Ha! That is brilliant.
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Not totally inconceivable if they can grab that final #1 seed (which a number of teams are in the running for at this point). If they ended up a 2, I don't see it.
 
doggydaddy said:
I say that even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion.

For the season:

Scoring defense - 153rd
FG% defense - 28th
3pt FG defense - 51st


Now, you want defense? Uconn held Louisville, at the Yum, to 25% shooting. Over the entire game, not just the last 6 minutes.

Maryland in the FF? Stranger things have happened. But don't hold your breath.
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The bad news for MD is that despite respectable top 10-15% on FG % D and 3 PT D Md ends up 153 overall pts allowed. Something isn't working in the D.
 
Icebear said:
The bad news for MD is that despite respectable top 10-15% on FG % D and 3 PT D Md ends up 153 overall pts allowed. Something isn't working in the D.
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I'd be interested to see where they rank in terms of offensive rebounds allowed and FTs allowed. Maybe they did a good job forcing harder/contested shots but gave up too many second-chance points and fouled too frequently.
 
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I saw them play a few times this season, and I wasn't super impressed. They were athletic and beat teams based on speed and size, but it was painfully obvious in the ND game that they were undisciplined and couldn't compete with a team that they couldn't overpower.
 
alexrgct said:
I'd be interested to see where they rank in terms of offensive rebounds allowed and FTs allowed. Maybe they did a good job forcing harder/contested shots but gave up too many second-chance points and fouled too frequently.
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I couldn't find where they ranked in offensive rebounds allowed, but they were second in rebounding margin and in the top 10 in least rebounds allowed per game.
 
I was being facetious earlier. Maryland could very well make the Final Four. Barring injury, etc, it's fairly obvious who the top two teams are this season, and the next tier (Stanford, Duke, ND, Maryland, Kentucky, TAMU...) are all going to be fighting for third and fourth.
 
1fan said:
careful, your fangs are showing. and when we make the final four this year will you eat your words? or make up a new excuse for why they are successful? i love the stuff about walz in particular - common knowledge that HE was the coach? LV made one basket in the last 6 minutes of the NCAA game againt UMD last year. UMD coached by brenda played better defense than LV coached by waltz. what say you??
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Why did athletic director Debbie Yow a former coach spend over $300,000. on new assistant coaches if she thought Frese was doing a great job coaching ? At one point Brenda's assistants were paid more than Gary William's assistant coaches.

I have seen UMD practice, the assistant coaches run practice, and Frese is rarely heard. It was obvious during 2006 Walz was coaching the team, he ran practice, and was the one directing the team during timeouts.
 
How can the obvious #2 team in the ACC be considered a powerhouse when the #1 team isnt even considered to be a powerhouse ? :rolleyes:
 
Don't worry, Triad...no one here considers any ACC teams powerhouses. Or consensus number ones. :)
 
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sarals24 said:
Don't worry, Triad...no one here considers any ACC teams powerhouses. Or consensus number ones. :)
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triaddukefan said:
How can the obvious #2 team in the ACC be considered a powerhouse when the #1 team isnt even considered to be a powerhouse ? :rolleyes:
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Of course it all depends on time frame, but if we consider the past 15 years, there have really been only 2 powerhouses IMO: UConn and Tennessee. But if I were to rank the top 4, it would probably contain Stanford and Duke. In the past 5 years, Baylor would be a powerhouse, and ND a serious contender.
 
Stanford has been to 5 consecutive final 4's. Safe to call them a powerhouse. LSU and UNC were powerhouses in 2004-2007 (LSU 4 final 4's and UNC 2). But if you are only going back the past 4 or so years, I'd say Baylor, UCONN, ND, Stanford, and that's pretty much it. I see Duke as being a powerhouse the next 2-3 years (as I think they were last year), but when you throw the term of "perennial powerhouse" out there, I agree, UCONN and Tennessee, but I think you need to add Stanford.

Since 1990, Stanford has won 2 NC's and been to the final 4 eleven times. Sure they had lean years from 1999-2007, but believe it or not, Tennessee has "only" been to 12 final 4's in the same time frame. If my math is correct, UCONN has been to 13. I'd say all 3 are powerhouses over the past 22 years...
 
I'm looking forward to seeing how Stewart does against A. Thomas. They should be getting to know each other up close and personal for some substantial minutes.....
 
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