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OT: Machado to the Padres 10 Yr/$300M

the Q said:
Ugh. You have to be kidding me.

I got excited from your use of advanced numbers in this thread...
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Baseball is my favorite sport, and I can spend all day going down every statistical rabbit hole there is. The flip side of that is that it's so easy to get annoyed because there's a huge disconnect between perception and reality for so many fans.
 
UConnStats said:
Baseball is my favorite sport, and I can spend all day going down every statistical rabbit hole there is. The flip side of that is that it's so easy to get annoyed because there's a huge disconnect between perception and reality for so many fans.
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So true.

You are dangerously close to ruining my poster avatar....
 
Biggest loser of this signing is Ian kindler.

Anyone want a kindler? Free?

Just take the contract
 
the Q said:
Biggest loser of this signing is Ian kindler.

Anyone want a kindler? Free?

Just take the contract
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I think Kinsler was signed to be a veteran presence on a team filled with youngsters. Doubt the Padres expect him to play more than 120 games a year. With Urias and Tatis up soon, the infield will be set for foreseeable future.
 
As a Yankee fan I would rather have Harper, looks like he's also not in the cards though
 
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HooperScooper said:
That article is supposed to prove your point?
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Yeah - What's your beef with it?

Talking Yankees alone it had Giambi, Mussina, Tanaka, Jeter, CC, Arod (first deal) and they were all good to great contacts.

Ellsbury sucks, but everyone knew at the time that was a horrible deal.
 
Every team in MLB could afford this contract. This is pretty much the same deal ARod got 18 years ago. Revenues have exploded but contracts have not. I would be ecstatic if my team made this deal, but we have the worst owners in MLB so we can not have nice things.
 
UConnStats said:
During the whole hustling is “not my cup of tea” thing during the playoffs, I was thinking about how Boston or NY writers would literally be chomping at the bit for his first slump to revive that narrative and turn the fans against him. It’s what sports media does in the northeast.
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And what happens after you give the guy all he's worth, so he's not even playing for a contract anymore? Anybody with the kind of attitude is not going to suddenly bust his but even harder. Even with immense talent, It's quite literally the last kind of attitude you want in a guy on a winning ball club. You want guys who'll kill their best friend to win games.

Also, you gotta be really, really careful who you give 300 million dollar contracts to.
 
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methodology said:
Yea crazy to pay a 26 year old superstar, top 5 player who plays some of the best 3rd base defense ever that money

Of course he's had questionable moments but the talent is unquestionably there
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When you're doling out $300 million dollars, a guy has to tick every box.
 
There's really no such thing as a bad deal in today's MLB. Teams are making so much money, even the low budget teams. Every single team in every single market can afford to spend up to the luxury cap and still make a profit. Most teams just won't. I love this for the Padres.
 
UConnStats said:
Try having an argument with your girlfriend's dad as he claims that Mussina was better than Pedro because he had more wins. I was ready to funnel a bottle of Makers.
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i gave up trying to talk to people like that about baseball in like 2005 or so
 
intlzncster said:
And what happens after you give the guy all he's worth, so he's not even playing for a contract anymore? Anybody with the kind of attitude is not going to suddenly bust his but even harder. Even with immense talent, It's quite literally the last kind of attitude you want in a guy on a winning ball club. You want guys who'll kill their best friend to win games.

Also, you gotta be really, really careful who you give 300 million dollar contracts to.
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It was a routine groundball out. Every player pulls that except MM did it on the biggest stage. How would you take it if he busted his butt down the line in the regular season and broke his ankle like jason kendall or another freak injury one routine groundball out that you're out 99% of the time unless the fielder becomes chuck knoblauch for a second
 
Slasher said:
There's really no such thing as a bad deal in today's MLB. Teams are making so much money, even the low budget teams. Every single team in every single market can afford to spend up to the luxury cap and still make a profit. Most teams just won't. I love this for the Padres.
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The goal isn't just 'to make a profit'. It's to maximize profits. This is a business, first and foremost.

I challenged anyone to describe to me how the Pablo Sandoval deal wasn't a 'bad deal'.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
That's fair about NYC. I'm usually a believer in talent over anything in baseball though. I think that MLB free agency is broken and that's why CHW and SD were the only teams in on him, more so than anything else.
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How? There's nothing stopping most teams from throwing their hat in the ring.

They deemed it not worth it at that amount of money and years. Probably right.
 
intlzncster said:
The goal isn't just 'to make a profit'. It's to maximize profits. This is a business, first and foremost.

I challenged anyone to describe to me how the Pablo Sandoval deal wasn't a 'bad deal'.
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Prince Fielder and chris Davis also

There is a fine line between maximizing profits and spending/ over spending on players to go for it
 
methodology said:
It was a routine groundball out. Every player pulls that except MM did it on the biggest stage. How would you take it if he busted his butt down the line in the regular season and broke his ankle like jason kendall or another freak injury one routine groundball out that you're out 99% of the time unless the fielder becomes chuck knoblauch for a second
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I'd rather have a guy hustle 100% of the time. You can't predict what's going to happen, and I'm not sure that picking your spots when to hustle or not will lead to better overall outcomes. In sports, it's pretty difficult to turn the switch on and off, and still perform at your highest level (especially in the big moments). And one play could mean the difference to advancing or not, even though you wouldn't know it at the time.

I'm interested to see how he plays out this contract. If he ends up truly giving a crap or not. You just don't know how guys are going to react to big money.

But some of his comments would raise red flags for me. I like hyper competitive types, who'll try to get an edge in every single situation, but that's just me.
 
intlzncster said:
How? There's nothing stopping most teams from throwing their hat in the ring.

They deemed it not worth it at that amount of money and years. Probably right.
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it’s broken because a third of the teams in the league dont try to compete
 
intlzncster said:
The goal isn't just 'to make a profit'. It's to maximize profits. This is a business, first and foremost.

I challenged anyone to describe to me how the Pablo Sandoval deal wasn't a 'bad deal'.
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oh you are rooting for the owners. how fun.

i hope the cubs make more than the marlins this year
 
intlzncster said:
How? There's nothing stopping most teams from throwing their hat in the ring.

They deemed it not worth it at that amount of money and years. Probably right.
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Not for Machado.

I’ll take the over.
 
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whaler11 said:
oh you are rooting for the owners. how fun.

i hope the cubs make more than the marlins this year
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Not really. Just describing why the owners don't throw money around willy nilly. Cause they're trying to make it, not spend it.

To whit, I don't give a flying @!#!$ about either the owners or the players in professional sports with regards to money. They all make way more than necessary in the grand scheme of things, so let em eat each other for all I care.
 
the Q said:
Not for Machado.

I’ll take the over.
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Well we'll see. I'm not sold on his desire after cashing in. Maybe he still has it, maybe he doesn't. A lot of guys mail it in after banking. Curious as to what happens with him.
 
whaler11 said:
it’s broken because a third of the teams in the league dont try to compete
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Well, that's true. But that's not why the entire league wasn't bidding on him. There's plenty of well healed teams who could have thrown their hat in the ring. But didn't, for whatever reason.
 
intlzncster said:
Well, that's true. But that's not why the entire league wasn't bidding on him. There's plenty of well healed teams who could have thrown their hat in the ring. But didn't, for whatever reason.
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yeah its collusion
 
Slasher said:
There's really no such thing as a bad deal in today's MLB. Teams are making so much money, even the low budget teams. Every single team in every single market can afford to spend up to the luxury cap and still make a profit. Most teams just won't. I love this for the Padres.
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I'll disagree. The cap this year is $206 million. As the Pirates' true finances were leaked a few years ago, it's pretty much agreed that owner Bob Nutting's B/E is currently between $150-$160 mill depending on gate. That doesn't excuse the current projected payroll of $75 million, but he couldn't double it and pocket much of anything (not counting one-time payoffs like MLBAM). Spending $200 mill would be a certain loss.
 
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