Logistics of Big XII Expansion: Unsportsmanlike Conduct

[Mr. Wonderful]

We suffer greatly in perception not only for our own lack of history, but Boston College, Syracuse, and Pitt's futility as well. It's widely assumed to be a Northeast problem.

What only UConn fans seem to understand is that much like what happened in basketball, on a level playing ground, it's only a matter of time before we put the lack of accomplishment of those schools in stark perspective.

It's why BC, in particular, has made it a prerogative that we are never given the chance to be on a level playing ground. We're a sure thing and they know it!

 

[UConnTrumbull]

We suffer greatly in perception not only for our own lack of history, but Boston College, Syracuse, and Pitt's futility as well. It's widely assumed to be a Northeast problem.

What only UConn fans seem to understand is that much like what happened in basketball, on a level playing ground, it's only a matter of time before we put the lack of accomplishment of those schools in stark perspective.

It's why BC, in particular, has made it a prerogative that we are never given the chance to be on a level playing ground. We're a sure thing and they know it!

Well next year were gonna have the chance to put BC to the sword. I want a 30+ point bloodbath for the world to see.

 

[FDNY99]

Well next year were gonna have the chance to put BC to the sword. I want a 30+ point bloodbath for the world to see.

A loss like that to UCONN may cause good ole Coach Smoke & Mirrors to head for the unemployment line...nothing would make me happier!!

 

[Sportsman5]

okielite and others from the big 12 realize that if they don't expand and get a conference network, then most of the schools will be screwed. Every school except Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma should be 100% committed to expansion and a network. That being said, clearly Oklahoma is in favor of expansion and most likely Kansas will as well because it brings in two good rivals for them in Cincinnati and UConn and a BIG 10 invite is far from guaranteed for them.

 

[BoatShow]

Most Big 12 schools have more in commom with Tulsa than Oklahoma as anyways. Perhaps they should add them when the all the schools that actually have value flee.

 

[mainlinedave]

Fixed. Thank goodness we have that straight.

So glad that I don't have to "scram" or "run along" as you've told other posters.....since I dared to have a different opinion than you.
Nice of you to acknowledge you know far less than you thought you did.

 

[Dooley]

So glad that I don't have to "scram" or "run along" as you've told other posters.....since I dared to have a different opinion than you.

My opinion is that the Rutgers athletic department is a complete and total dumpster fire. Seeing you and your buddy, who may or may not be you with a duplicate profile, trying to defend it by citing 9th place finishes in women's table tennis only proves my point. Is your opinion of RU athletics so low that you felt a need to come to our board, create 1 or 2 profiles just to go to battle over a throw away "last place" line, and point to whatever the heck you pointed to as proof of success?

Truth is, I could not care less about Rutgers. I do not work at a cable company so your best attribute means nothing to me. When I think of Rutgers, I think of cable boxes and losses. I think you do too.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Ys, I'm referring to the one in which Sandusky was witnessed by an assistant coach doing something "sexual in nature" in the shower, naked with a young boy....and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...I mean jack squat, was done to him for it.

Instead of being reported to the police, Penn State and Joe Paterno turned a blind eye, even bringing Sandusky along to a bowl game post incident.....thus allowing Sandusky to rape several other boys in the years that followed instead of being in jail in 2001 where he belonged.

I'm talking abut those atrocities if that wasn't clear enough for you.

The fact that you make such emotional and hysterical posts about whatever happened at Penn State means it's personal to you. As a Rutgers fan you've probably always been jealous of Penn State and were probably psyched to have something like that happen to the school and knock them down a peg.

 

[Ldandy]

If I had even an ounce of respect for Penn State as an institution after the atrocities committed there under Paterno's watch, I would be insulted by your comment.

I don't know how you Penn State people do it. Living in PA, I'm embarrassed just to be seen with a cousin when he is wearing a Penn State shirt, and he NEVER wears anything Penn State-related when he travels outside the state's borders.

Oooh burn. You really got me with that Sandusky Comment. If its any consolation don't feel too bad about your cousin. I'm sure he is equally embarrassed being in your company, and I doubt it has anything to do with what college you attended. Now run along Dave. Grown ups are trying to have a discussion about sports. Unfortunately as a Rutgers Fan this is something that you are automatically disqualified from doing.

 

[Ldandy]

Do tell about these atrocities. You mean the one case that actually happened on campus a.k.a. the dubious shower incident for which Sandusky was acquitted of the most serious charges? I live in NYC. I've seen plenty of people wearing Penn State gear and have those magnets and paw print stickers on their car along with PSU alumni license plates.

Don't bother. Pointing fingers at Penn State is the only thing Rutgers Fans can agree on. God knows they are not capable of pointing them at the real reason they have been God Awful for 200 years.

 

[Ldandy]

Ys, I'm referring to the one in which Sandusky was witnessed by an assistant coach doing something "sexual in nature" in the shower, naked with a young boy....and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...I mean jack squat, was done to him for it.

Instead of being reported to the police, Penn State and Joe Paterno turned a blind eye, even bringing Sandusky along to a bowl game post incident.....thus allowing Sandusky to rape several other boys in the years that followed instead of being in jail in 2001 where he belonged.

I'm talking abut those atrocities if that wasn't clear enough for you.

You would be funny if you weren't so sad.

 

[mainlinedave]

My opinion is that the Rutgers athletic department is a complete and total dumpster fire. Seeing you and your buddy, who may or may not be you with a duplicate profile, trying to defend it by citing 9th place finishes in women's table tennis only proves my point. Is your opinion of RU athletics so low that you felt a need to come to our board, create 1 or 2 profiles just to go to battle over a throw away "last place" line, and point to whatever the heck you pointed to as proof of success?

Truth is, I could not care less about Rutgers. I do not work at a cable company so your best attribute means nothing to me. When I think of Rutgers, I think of cable boxes and losses. I think you do too.

I wasn't citing 9th place finishes, by the way. I was citing an NCAA Final 4 appearance last month, an NCA tournament bound team that finished third and was in the hunt for the Big Ten title until the final game of the season, and a currently #6 nationally ranked wresting team among others....a far cry from finishing dead last in every single sport....as you cited in your uninformed post.

Actually, when I think of Rutgers, I think a team that has beaten UCONN 2 out of every 3 times historically. I think of a team that has 4 out of 5 of ESPN's highest rated football games in the NYC DMA...and all 5 of ESPN2's highest rated games in the NYC DMA.....if you really want to know.

When I think of UCONN, I think of a football team that can't even average 29K in their stadium, gets lousy ratings in the NYC DMA, and has been a true definition a dumpster fire for the last several years.

That's what I think of.

 

[mainlinedave]

You would be funny if you weren't so sad.

And you would be sad if you and your fellow joebots weren't so damn creepy and cultish, honoring and praising a man who died in disgrace.

 

[FDNY99]

I wasn't citing 9th place finishes, by the way. I was citing an NCAA Final 4 appearance last month, and a #6 nationally ranked wresting team that among others....a far cry from finishing dead last in every single sport....as you cited in your uninformed post.

Actually, when I think of Rutgers, I think a team that has beaten UCONN 2 out of every 3 times historically. I think of a team that has 4 out of 5 of ESPN's highest rated football games in the NYC DMA...and all 5 of ESPN2's highest rated games in the NYC DMA.....if you really want to know.

When I think of UCONN, I think of a football team that can't even average 29K in their stadium, gets lousy ratings in the NYC DMA, and has been a true definition a dumpster fire for the last several years.

That's what I think of.

When I think of Rutgers..I think of a D-1 athletic program that had 500 people at a men's basketball game...I think of a D-1 men's and women's basketball programs that play in a facility that wouldn't even qualify in the top 1/3 hs facilities in the state of NJ....I think of a D-1 athletic program that doesn't even have a stand alone indoor football practice facility....when I think of RU I think of Julie Herman, Mike Rice and a complete and utter embarrassment the athletic program is to the alumni of the school. Still want to talk now you a s s h a t ?

 

[mainlinedave]

When I think of Rutgers..I think of a D-1 athletic program that had 500 people at a men's basketball game...I think of a D-1 men's and women's basketball programs that play in a facility that wouldn't even qualify in the top 1/3 hs facilities in the state of NJ....I think of a D-1 athletic program that doesn't even have a stand alone indoor football practice facility....when I think of RU I think of Julie Herman, Mike Rice and a complete and utter embarrassment the athletic program is to the alumni of the school. Still want to talk now you a s s h a t ?

We do have a stand alone football practice facility, so that is wrong. The RAC not ranking in the top 1/3 of hs facilities is also obviously wrong.

The 500 people figure at the basketball game was proven false many times......but not surprised you wouldn't be smart enough to know that, based on the rest of the false statements you made.

An really, is there much difference than UCONN having like 4000 fans at one of your football games two years ago?

 

[FDNY99]

We do have a stand alone football practice facility, so that is wrong. The RAC not ranking in the top 1/3 of hs facilities is also obviously wrong.

The 500 people figure at the basketball game was proven false many times.but not surprised you wouldn't be smart enough to know that, based on the rest of the false statements you made.

An really, is there much difference than UCONN having like 4000 fans at one of your football games two years ago?

I said Stand alone INDOOR FOOTBALL PRACTICE FACILITY....
As for basketball attendance..I was wrong it was less than 500 in back to back games....
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_Rutgers_Scarlet_Knights_men's_basketball_team)
The Number in ( ) is the attendance
11/25/2013*
7:30 pm Stillman College
NIT Season Tip-Off Consolation Round W 116–89 4–3
The RAC (392)
Piscataway, NJ
11/26/2013*
7:30 pm Fairleigh Dickinson
NIT Season Tip-Off Consolation Round L 72–73 4–4
The RAC (466)
Piscataway, NJ

The RAC is a dump..even your old AD's and your new AD agree it's a dump. You really need to learn how to read and use Google before you come here and run your mouth..

 

[SpartyCyclone]

[QUOTE="With the exception of Louisville, no other hoops school can say that in the same time frame.[/QUOTE]

Michigan State made the final four in both basketball and football in 2015.

 

[auggie22]

And you would be sad if you and your fellow joebots weren't so damn creepy and cultish, honoring and praising a man who died in disgrace.

Uh oh. I'm think you have just summoned Upstater.

 

[dwalks93]

Seriously Mainlinedave....probably the single greatest pull of all time was Rutgers getting into the Big10.

Lets give full credit to the Rutger's administration for pulling that herculean feat off. Truth be told, your President and AD were able to recognize the changing conference landscape and position your program to be selected. But, lets be clear, Rutger's selection was in no way a measure of even moderate success in the athletic arena. In fact, Rutgers was one of the weaker D1 programs in America.

What kills UCONN fans is UCONN has earned the right to be in a P5 conference. We earned the right by investing in our athletic program and producing winners. Rutgers is the exact opposite. As as Rutger's fan, you should be smiling every day knowing you took the Big10 to the cleaners.

BTW since Rutgers has been selected to the Big10, its programs , AD, and coaches have been a series of embarrassing incidents. Not just losing but literally embarrassing the conference. My guess is scarcely a week goes by that the Big10 does not regret inviting Rutgers. The good news for Rutgers is you got in before the Big10 smartened up. The bad news for UCONN is the debacle that is Rutgers will likely make conferences more gun shy about adding new members.

I generally do not like to take shots at other fans but don't come on our board and talk . UCONN has been screwed enough...we don't need it from another undeserving P5 member fan.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

We do have a stand alone football practice facility, so that is wrong. The RAC not ranking in the top 1/3 of hs facilities is also obviously wrong.

The 500 people figure at the basketball game was proven false many times.but not surprised you wouldn't be smart enough to know that, based on the rest of the false statements you made.

An really, is there much difference than UCONN having like 4000 fans at one of your football games two years ago?

What happened under Paterno's watch was horrible; but, blaming the entire university, all 46,500 some odd students, is foolish. Who do you think you are, Ted Cruz? I am a UConn fan and I live in Jersey. While I think Herman was a catastrophic AD and President Barchi has no idea how to run a D1 athletic program as he was hired specifically for the Rutgers/UMDNJ merger; I don't think everyone at Rutgers is an idiot, especially as a lot of my neighbor's kids go there and they are good kids.

And, the RAC is a dump. I went to the last UConn v. Rutgers game there with a neighbor who is a Rutgers Alumni and he says its a dump. At least Rutgers may get a basketball training facility soon; but, it does nothing to address the condition of the RAC. As for attendance, for the 2014/5 basketball season, Rutgers average home attendance was 5,770. That was good enough for 91 out of 100 listed D1 programs and dead last in the B1G - Wisconsin #5, Indiana #8, Nebraska #10, Michigan St #14, Illinois #15, Ohio St #16, Iowa #18, Maryland #25, Michigan #28, Minnesota #29, Purdue #32, Missouri #55, Penn St #56 (ouch!), Northwestern #72. That's a fact.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2015.pdf

Oh, UConn, playing in a G5 conference was #37 with 10,687 per game on average.

As for football, Rutgers has a bigger football stadium than UConn and it is on campus. But, even with the newly proposed renovation to the Hale Center, Rutgers is still without an indoor, full field training center, which UConn has in the Burton/Shenkman center.

http://www.scarletknights.com/facilities/hale.html

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/facilities/burton-family-complex.html

By the way, 'MainLineDave' is an interesting name. I am not aware of any location in Jersey being called the Main Line; but, its a common nickname for an affluent collection of suburbs along US 30/Lancaster Avenue just west of Philadelphia that get its name from the old 'Main Line' of the Pennsylvania Railroad that includes such towns as Ardmore, Villanova, Radnor, Malvern, etc. Any chance you grew-up there and could not get into Penn St and went to Rutgers instead?

 

[UConnTrumbull]

MainlineDave is a

 

[FDNY99]

What happened under Paterno's watch was horrible; but, blaming the entire university, all 46,500 some odd students, is foolish. Who do you think you are, Ted Cruz? I am a UConn fan and I live in Jersey. While I think Herman was a catastrophic AD and President Barchi has no idea how to run a D1 athletic program as he was hired specifically for the Rutgers/UMDNJ merger; I don't think everyone at Rutgers is an idiot, especially as a lot of my neighbor's kids go there and they are good kids.

And, the RAC is a dump. I went to the last UConn v. Rutgers game there with a neighbor who is a Rutgers Alumni and he says its a dump. At least Rutgers may get a basketball training facility soon; but, it does nothing to address the condition of the RAC. As for attendance, for the 2014/5 basketball season, Rutgers average home attendance was 5,770. That was good enough for 91 out of 100 listed D1 programs and dead last in the B1G - Wisconsin #5, Indiana #8, Nebraska #10, Michigan St #14, Illinois #15, Ohio St #16, Iowa #18, Maryland #25, Michigan #28, Minnesota #29, Purdue #32, Missouri #55, Penn St #56 (ouch!), Northwestern #72. That's a fact.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2015.pdf

Oh, UConn, playing in a G5 conference was #37 with 10,687 per game on average.

As for football, Rutgers has a bigger football stadium than UConn and it is on campus. But, even with the newly proposed renovation to the Hale Center, Rutgers is still without an indoor, full field training center, which UConn has in the Burton/Shenkman center.

http://www.scarletknights.com/facilities/hale.html

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/facilities/burton-family-complex.html

By the way, 'MainLineDave' is an interesting name. I am not aware of any location in Jersey being called the Main Line; but, its a common nickname for an affluent collection of suburbs along US 30/Lancaster Avenue just west of Philadelphia that get its name from the old 'Main Line' of the Pennsylvania Railroad that includes such towns as Ardmore, Villanova, Radnor, Malvern, etc. Any chance you grew-up there and could not get into Penn St and went to Rutgers instead?

@Mr. Conehead this is all the info you need to shut that a s s h a t up:

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_Rutgers_Scarlet_Knights_men's_basketball_team)
Less than 500 attendance in back to back games during the 2013-2014 season
The Number in ( ) is the attendance
11/25/2013*
7:30 pm Stillman College
NIT Season Tip-Off Consolation Round W 116–89 4–3
The RAC (392)
Piscataway, NJ
11/26/2013*
7:30 pm Fairleigh Dickinson
NIT Season Tip-Off Consolation Round L 72–73 4–4
The RAC (466)
Piscataway, NJ

@mainlinedave you had a LOT of to say until the facts came out...now you seemed to have disappeared. That was pretty easy...take care now..don't let the world wide web door hit you in the a** on your way out!

 

[lne001]

I don't follow WBB, but I think you've come to the wrong board to boast about a 4th place conference finish in WBB. Again, we're talking B12 on this thread. Run along.

Not boasting, just correcting your massive ignorance regarding womens' sports in another conference that does not want UConn.

In fact I root for UConn, but your need to denigrate other programs is irksome (especially since you really don't know what you are talking about).

 

[billybud]

To become an elite level football program takes recruiting...multiple classes of really good athletes.

Penn State is in the current Top 20 for their 2016 class...UConn is #105 (both Rivals ranks).

WVU is at #40....BC 60....Louisville #30

What UConn needs to dominate the conference and go to a NY6 game is an infusion of talent.

 

[J187Money]

Well next year were gonna have the chance to put BC to the sword. I want a 30+ point bloodbath for the world to see.

Me too. But that means we would have to score 30.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

I wasn't citing 9th place finishes, by the way. I was citing an NCAA Final 4 appearance last month, an NCA tournament bound team that finished third and was in the hunt for the Big Ten title until the final game of the season, and a currently #6 nationally ranked wresting team among others....a far cry from finishing dead last in every single sport....as you cited in your uninformed post.

Actually, when I think of Rutgers, I think a team that has beaten UCONN 2 out of every 3 times historically. I think of a team that has 4 out of 5 of ESPN's highest rated football games in the NYC DMA...and all 5 of ESPN2's highest rated games in the NYC DMA.....if you really want to know.

When I think of UCONN, I think of a football team that can't even average 29K in their stadium, gets lousy ratings in the NYC DMA, and has been a true definition a dumpster fire for the last several years.

That's what I think of.

Dave,
Rutgers is a good school. We are trying to get over a very poor football coaching hire.
The real point here was that Rutgers was not very accomplished while in the Big East. I believe they won precious few regular season or tournament conference championships in any/all sports. They did not get into the B1G based on their athletic success. Us, Cincy and BYU got screwed over by CR. It appears we are making up ground lost due to poor overall leadership. We hope to see you in the P5 or equivalent in the future.

 

[Dooley]

[QUOTE="With the exception of Louisville, no other hoops school can say that in the same time frame.

Michigan State made the final four in both basketball and football in 2015.[/QUOTE]

Hey Sparty - I think you are referencing what I said in another thread here. I did not include MSU in my definition of "hoops schools" because...CONGRATS!...I think they are now elevated into being a football elite too. Yes, they have terrific basketball but you also have terrific football too. Hard to call them just a basketball school.

Honestly, MSU's model is something I think UConn should shoot for. It's the model for most ADs across the country who want to compete in both sports, like UConn wants to.

 

[Fishy]

Rutgers is a raging pile of athletic failure.

Fine school, dense state, fortunately placed near New York....all true.

But please, Rutgers fans, do not ever pretend that you're anything other than an a punchline athletically.

 

[billybud]

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:

 

[DudeOfCT]

Agreed. We will probably never get to a national championship caliber program but we can absolutely bring a competitive, valued program to the table. We're a basketball school, no question about it. But what separates us from the rest of the basketball schools is that we have played .500 football since going FBS. With the exception of Louisville, no other hoops school can say that in the same time frame.

Of course we can get to a national championship-caliber program. We can win a national championship. We've done it in multiple sports and brought athletics from a small regional player to the national brand it is. Get kids in the NFL, coach well, keep marketing, it will happen, P5 or no. That's why a P5 conference should invite UConn. We are going to get there with or without them.