Lifted from VT CR board

[businesslawyer]

The Louisville prostitution scandal doesn't bother me in the least. College football recruiting has been using young women to recruit football players going back before Bear Bryant at Alabama. I like the idea of actually seeing someone hire professionals rather than pimping their coeds. It goes on everywhere, and it's a shame Louisville is a scape goat.

By that logic (that it goes back a number of years), none of slavery, Jim Crown or denying women the franchise would "bother you in the least" either. Hopefully, you have enough sense to know that you've jumped the shark from annoying to idiotic and go away.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Bingo. It is what I'm suggesting, and the result is what you are saying. The SPIN about 'moving in the area', bringing Big Ten schools to the east to please the Big Ten alumni in the region is just that, SPIN. They were already in the East with Penn State. There will be a temporary bump in cable boxes until cord cutters make cable boxes like fax machines and type writers.

The real story is what the principals of the Big Ten said at the time.

Jim Delany, "We felt threatened."
E. Gordon Gee, "We had to implement a blocking strategy."
Barry Alvarez. "These were added to hold onto Penn State."

They felt threatened and wanted to block the departure of Penn State. Was Penn State leaving? Probably not, but they were worried enough about it. They just watched the other of the only two college football players in the East, Notre Dame, walk over to the ACC or at least move out of reach of the B1G.

The whole thing was able to be accomplished because the Big Ten was able to promise Wallace Loh enough to betray Maryland's home conference and historical partners. And he did.

While upset with the B1G over several issues, Penn St was not leaving the B1G. The B1G looks at the whole package and that package includes join membership in the CIC, which is huge for the academic side of the house. That alone would keep Penn St in the B1G. Plus, why would Penn St leave one conference for another when that other 1) provides less money, especially due to the lack of a network, and 2) has many of the same political issues as the ACC such as the Football contingent versus Tobacco Road clan.

As for Maryland, they were in a financial black hole and the B1G through them a lifeline that the ACC could not. Plus, while Maryland is an 'Atlantic' school, it is a large, state flagship university, which meets the B1G profiles, sans Northwestern, a lot more than the ACC, which only has 2 flagship universities. Not to mention that schools like Ohio St have a massive alumni population in the DC area (I believe it is Ohio St's second largest alumni bases outside of OH [Detroit is #1]) country's 7th largest TV market.

 

[Exit 4]

Without ND as a football member, no single conference owns Metro NY football at the moment, but the Big Ten is far closer to it than the ACC. Frankly, if the ACC adds UConn it remains split forever, and if the Ten adds UCOonn NYC becomes a Big Ten City with the ACC of secondary interest. And if we were talking about hoops, since the Big East disintegration the market is hopelessly split, and conferences are looking for "shares," not "ownership."

You couldn't be more right. Those outside the metro area may have a hard time seeing this.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

The whole thing was able to be accomplished because the Big Ten was able to promise Wallace Loh enough to betray Maryland's home conference and historical partners. And he did.

The ACC schools always treated Maryland like an outlier. The Terps weren't southern enough. Their opinion simply didn't matter and eventually that disdain came back to bite the conference.

 

[billybud]

Loh...a Big Ten guy...basically kidnapped Maryland by circumventing the discussion of boosters, alumni, and even his board....

but..most of us FSU fans threw a party....who wants to watch a team that is 2-22 against your team and the last game was
63-0 ?

 

[Fishy]

For the love of God, shut --- up.

 

[Ldandy]

Penn State was never huge in Maryland...just the opposite. For years the Turtles considered the Nittany Lions their biggest rivals (even though Penn State didn't return the favor). Half of College Park consisted of kids from "Ballmer" and another big chunk was from Annapolis. Penn State fans are few and far between in Maryland. South Jersey, yes, big Penn State following. Notre Dame, though, no real following in either area.

No offense but are you talking about the same Maryland that is located in the United States of America? If that's the one, I haven't a clue how you draw your conclusions. PSU has a very strong following throughout the entire DMV, built on being the premier football brand in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic since the 1960's. Maryland Representation for PSU is still very strong. If I was estimating sphere of influence in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic I'd go with the following:

MA- I'd imagine is carved up by BC, BU, Harvard, (locals), ND and UCONN.

CT- Primarily UCONN with small followings for Yale.

NY- (Upstate) Cuse, with pockets of support for ND, PSU, Army and locals like Buffalo and Cornell. (NYC and surroundings)Pretty well divided up with pockets of support for ND, RU, UCONN, Cuse, PSU, UM, St Johns and smaller locals. No one team or even small group of teams can lay claim to NYC. You need a large group of schools to gain any critical mass in the city.

NJ- (Northern NJ) RU, ND, PSU (Southern NJ) PSU, ND, RU.

PA- (Eastern PA) PSU, with pockets of ND Support in NEPA as well as Philly. Support for the members of The Big 5 exists in the city as well. (Central/South/and NW PA) PSU, (SWPA) PSU with followings for Pitt, ND, and WVU.

MD- UMD, Navy, PSU, ND, local/national interests.

DC- Fairly even levels of support for UMD, VPI, UVA, and PSU. ND, Gtown and other Catholics carry some sway as well as smaller local and national interests.

VA- VPI and UVA, with solid representation for PSU, as well as smaller local/national interests.

 

[Pudge]

If Syracuse is the only regional team that New York state as a whole cares about, please explain why (i) Rutgers football games are clearly the biggest local draw in the NY TV market, and (ii) UConn, and not Syracuse, is the team that has (and had when both were in the Big East) 100% of their football games not on national TV picked up by SNY, the NYC based sports league?

Without ND as a football member, no single conference owns Metro NY football at the moment, but the Big Ten is far closer to it than the ACC. Frankly, if the ACC adds UConn it remains split forever, and if the Ten adds UCOonn NYC becomes a Big Ten City with the ACC of secondary interest. And if we were talking about hoops, since the Big East disintegration the market is hopelessly split, and conferences are looking for "shares," not "ownership."

Honestly. As an upstate NY guy, SYRACUSE is a one town franchise. Pro like. They are in homes in Rochester as a second market; but not quite the State draw of UConn. Buffalo, Albany & Binghamton are all fairly modest SU follow. Look at their radio network & ratings. It's just not much. Then ... You look at NYC. They have presence. But it's absolutely shared. RUTGERS has really little there in hoop or FB.

You have no State U for the 37 million in NE & NY. And what's Mississippi or a NC or VA sharing?

 

[btstimpy]

The ACC schools always treated Maryland like an outlier. The Terps weren't southern enough. Their opinion simply didn't matter and eventually that disdain came back to bite the conference.

Maryland fans will say this. Yes. But Maryland and West Virginia are two fan bases with enormous inferiority complexes. Give them about 5 years, and you'll hear that they feel treated as an outlier in the Big Ten too. It wont take long at all. I don't expect the Big Ten to cater to their whining any more than the ACC did.

What Wallace Loh did had nothing to do with their feeling under appreciated. He had only 2 years of experience with the ACC at the time, and he was oblivious of the needs of his Maryland athletic programs other than how much they cost compared to what they brought in revenue.

The ACC felt betrayed at the time because they were, but the ACC has moved on and doesn't notice Maryland is gone at all in any way.

 

[Fishy]

The little-man complex displayed by these dopey ACC fans is remarkable.

Bottom line - both Maryland and the Big Ten owned calculators and those calculators spit out huge numbers when MD/RU to the Big Ten was entered into them.

Forget the stupid stories about hurt feelings - the Big Ten is a richer league and it's even richer now that Maryland is there.

End of story. They got a better deal.

 

[storrsroars]

No offense but are you talking about the same Maryland that is located in the United States of America? If that's the one, I haven't a clue how you draw your conclusions. PSU has a very strong following throughout the entire DMV, built on being the premier football brand in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic since the 1960's. Maryland Representation for PSU is still very strong. If I was estimating sphere of influence in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic I'd go with the following:

MA- I'd imagine is carved up by BC, BU, Harvard, (locals), ND and UCONN.

CT- Primarily UCONN with small followings for Yale.

NY- (Upstate) Cuse, with pockets of support for ND, PSU, Army and locals like Buffalo and Cornell. (NYC and surroundings)Pretty well divided up with pockets of support for ND, RU, UCONN, Cuse, PSU, UM, St Johns and smaller locals. No one team or even small group of teams can lay claim to NYC. You need a large group of schools to gain any critical mass in the city.

NJ- (Northern NJ) RU, ND, PSU (Southern NJ) PSU, ND, RU.

PA- (Eastern PA) PSU, with pockets of ND Support in NEPA as well as Philly. Support for the members of The Big 5 exists in the city as well. (Central/South/and NW PA) PSU, (SWPA) PSU with followings for Pitt, ND, and WVU.

MD- UMD, Navy, PSU, ND, local/national interests.

DC- Fairly even levels of support for UMD, VPI, UVA, and PSU. ND, Gtown and other Catholics carry some sway as well as smaller local and national interests.

VA- VPI and UVA, with solid representation for PSU, as well as smaller local/national interests.

You must be from PSU, eh? Only a PSU alum would be delusional enough to think SWPA is a PSU hotbed. Pitt owns the Pittsburgh metro, WVU owns the border counties, which are closer to Morgantown than Pittsburgh.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

No offense but are you talking about the same Maryland that is located in the United States of America? If that's the one, I haven't a clue how you draw your conclusions. PSU has a very strong following throughout the entire DMV, built on being the premier football brand in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic since the 1960's. Maryland Representation for PSU is still very strong. If I was estimating sphere of influence in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic I'd go with the following:

MA- I'd imagine is carved up by BC, BU, Harvard, (locals), ND and UCONN.

CT- Primarily UCONN with small followings for Yale.

NY- (Upstate) Cuse, with pockets of support for ND, PSU, Army and locals like Buffalo and Cornell. (NYC and surroundings)Pretty well divided up with pockets of support for ND, RU, UCONN, Cuse, PSU, UM, St Johns and smaller locals. No one team or even small group of teams can lay claim to NYC. You need a large group of schools to gain any critical mass in the city.

NJ- (Northern NJ) RU, ND, PSU (Southern NJ) PSU, ND, RU.

PA- (Eastern PA) PSU, with pockets of ND Support in NEPA as well as Philly. Support for the members of The Big 5 exists in the city as well. (Central/South/and NW PA) PSU, (SWPA) PSU with followings for Pitt, ND, and WVU.

MD- UMD, Navy, PSU, ND, local/national interests.

DC- Fairly even levels of support for UMD, VPI, UVA, and PSU. ND, Gtown and other Catholics carry some sway as well as smaller local and national interests.

VA- VPI and UVA, with solid representation for PSU, as well as smaller local/national interests.

This map http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#7,40.003,-78.034 and my experience in College Park says Penn State's support ends at the Mason-Dixon Line. Where are these pockets of Penn State support in MD?

 

[bingethinker]

Maryland fans will say this. Yes. But Maryland and West Virginia are two fan bases with enormous inferiority complexes. Give them about 5 years, and you'll hear that they feel treated as an outlier in the Big Ten too. It wont take long at all. I don't expect the Big Ten to cater to their whining any more than the ACC did.

What Wallace Loh did had nothing to do with their feeling under appreciated. He had only 2 years of experience with the ACC at the time, and he was oblivious of the needs of his Maryland athletic programs other than how much they cost compared to what they brought in revenue.

The ACC felt betrayed at the time because they were, but the ACC has moved on and doesn't notice Maryland is gone at all in any way.

I initially thought you were really playing up the whole pompous UVA role for sport, but you aren't playing. You're being emotional and irrational and letting your disdain get in the way of making a well-reasoned statement.

First of all, Maryland left the ACC with more conference titles and national titles than any school not named UNC, so save the inferior crap for Wake fans. The Big Ten has done just fine in welcoming Maryland because Delany knows what he's doing. While he's in his office tower in Chicago changing college athletics, ACC officials are having a monster truck rally at their office park in Greensboro.

The ACC notices the gigantic chunk missing from its once contiguous eastern seaboard. The ACC notices the 7 million households it lost. The ACC notices that the #2 basketball team in the country plays in the Big Ten and not in its conference. John Swofford notices every time he wipes the Bojangles grease off his fingers, picks up the remote to search for the ACCN, and discovers that his rabbit ears won't pick up his local MY TV affiliate. No matter how many times you type it, losing Maryland was not a good thing for the ACC.

The bottom line is this: The Big Ten is just a better conference to be affiliated with. The decision was a no brainer. Staying in the ACC would have been a poor choice. The school posted record revenues in 2015, including $35 million from the B1G. The best ACC payout was $21.5 million. Fans are fine. Since joining the B1G, Maryland has won more conference championships than everyone except Michigan. Maryland broke ground last year on a $155 million football facility. Most importantly, Maryland is awaiting a projected $45 million payout from the Big Ten in 2021.

Maryland is doing just fine sitting at the grown up table in the Big Ten. Fans are content while watching one of the Terps' top-5 basketball teams, not thinking about Virginia and the dysfunctional ACC.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Loh...a Big Ten guy...basically kidnapped Maryland by circumventing the discussion of boosters, alumni, and even his board....

but..most of us FSU fans threw a party....who wants to watch a team that is 2-22 against your team and the last game was
63-0 ?

You know what us Big Ten guys say... Buy Loh sell high.

Or, we just might see if that basketball team is really that good.

 

[bingethinker]

This map http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#7,40.003,-78.034 and my experience in College Park says Penn State's support ends at the Mason-Dixon Line. Where are these pockets of Penn State support in MD?

There are random pockets of Big Ten country in the Baltimore region. I know of a MSU bar, a PSU bar, and two Michigan bars within 2-3 miles of the Inner Harbor. It's weird. Can certainly confirm PSU interest in this region, too.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

There are random pockets of Big Ten country in the Baltimore region. I know of a MSU bar, a PSU bar, and two Michigan bars within 2-3 miles of the Inner Harbor. It's weird. Can certainly confirm PSU interest in this region, too.

I'm talking significant support. I have no doubt that if Penn State has any Maryland players on its roster there is likely Penn State support in Maryland.

 

[btstimpy]

I initially thought you were really playing up the whole pompous UVA role for sport, but you aren't playing. You're being emotional and irrational and letting your disdain get in the way of making a well-reasoned statement.

First of all, Maryland left the ACC with more conference titles and national titles than any school not named UNC, so save the inferior crap for Wake fans. The Big Ten has done just fine in welcoming Maryland because Delany knows what he's doing. While he's in his office tower in Chicago changing college athletics, ACC officials are having a monster truck rally at their office park in Greensboro.

The ACC notices the gigantic chunk missing from its once contiguous eastern seaboard. The ACC notices the 7 million households it lost. The ACC notices that the #2 basketball team in the country plays in the Big Ten and not in its conference. John Swofford notices every time he wipes the Bojangles grease off his fingers, picks up the remote to search for the ACCN, and discovers that his rabbit ears won't pick up his local MY TV affiliate. No matter how many times you type it, losing Maryland was not a good thing for the ACC.

The bottom line is this: The Big Ten is just a better conference to be affiliated with. The decision was a no brainer. Staying in the ACC would have been a poor choice. The school posted record revenues in 2015, including $35 million from the B1G. The best ACC payout was $21.5 million. Fans are fine. Since joining the B1G, Maryland has won more conference championships than everyone except Michigan. Maryland broke ground last year on a $155 million football facility. Most importantly, Maryland is awaiting a projected $45 million payout from the Big Ten in 2021.

Maryland is doing just fine sitting at the grown up table in the Big Ten. Fans are content while watching one of the Terps' top-5 basketball teams, not thinking about Virginia and the dysfunctional ACC.

You think Maryland leaving hurt the ACC. No one in the ACC does. We're better off, and we can live without Maryland's 18 Women's NCAA Lacrosse Championships. Congratulations on them. It's tough, but we'll live.

Good luck at the Big Boy table. At least let coaches finish the season. Really poor form there. Good luck with Mike London. We wish you well.

 

[CallMeBruce]

What is happening here?

 

[BoatShow]

There's a random bar with an Iowa State flag right near Fenway. Boston loves those Cyclones!

 

[btstimpy]

You know what us Big Ten guys say... Buy Loh sell high.

Or, we just might see if that basketball team is really that good.

Apparently they are good enough to roll right through the Big Ten. They aren't having trouble with that so far. They're in second place. We'll have to see after that. Maybe your team will knock them off next game.

 

[btstimpy]

There's a random bar with an Iowa State flag right near Fenway. Boston loves those Cyclones!

That proves Iowa State deserves a Big Ten invite. With AAU, they're a shoe in.

 

[CL82]

Wow, the ACC water bearers and BC felaters are suddenly showing up across the Boneyard like Syrian refugees. Close the border Fishy, close the borders.

I say we build a yuge firewall and make BC pay for it. I know a lot of amazing tech people who could do it.

 

[Ldandy]

You must be from PSU, eh? Only a PSU alum would be delusional enough to think SWPA is a PSU hotbed. Pitt owns the Pittsburgh metro, WVU owns the border counties, which are closer to Morgantown than Pittsburgh.

PSU Alum? Yes. I've never represented myself here otherwise. I'm not sure how what I wrote was delusional as I didn't claim SWPA was dominated by PSU, only that it enjoys great support in the area along with Pitt, WVU, ND etc.

 

[Ldandy]

This map http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#7,40.003,-78.034 and my experience in College Park says Penn State's support ends at the Mason-Dixon Line. Where are these pockets of Penn State support in MD?

LOL that map? Support based off of Facebook likes? The same metric that shows UCONN recieving nearly zero support in the Boston Area or NYC, while somehow The Florida Gators are a factor? As for PSU's support in MD, its there. I've never claimed that we dominate MD. That was Bstimpy. Only that we have a good support system in the state, which we do. I certainly hope for UMD's sake that PSU support trails The Terps in their home town, If not yikes...

 

[Ldandy]

What is happening here?

Dunno, don't care. I'm being entertained by the sheer lunacy of it.

 

[Ldandy]

You think Maryland leaving hurt the ACC. No one in the ACC does. We're better off, and we can live without Maryland's 18 Women's NCAA Lacrosse Championships. Congratulations on them. It's tough, but we'll live.

Good luck at the Big Boy table. At least let coaches finish the season. Really poor form there. Good luck with Mike London. We wish you well.

It definitely hurt the conference's chances for a potential ACC Network. Sorry, but UMD's departure left a very big hole in your media footprint. While that might not matter to Billybud, who only cares about games on his football schedule, it does matter to investors. Maybe you're right and cord cutters make this all a moot point in 10 years, but an extra 15 mil per for the Terps over that time frame will certainly go a long way to growing their AD.

 

[kyleslamb]

No one outside of ACC fans think Maryland's departure didn't put a dent in the ACC's longterm prospects. Louisville may have been a short-term stopgap that retained competitive balance in football and basketball, but make no mistake, losing Maryland did damage the financial viability.

 

[Pat125]

I initially thought you were really playing up the whole pompous UVA role for sport, but you aren't playing. You're being emotional and irrational and letting your disdain get in the way of making a well-reasoned statement.

For someone who claims to be happy that Maryland left the ACC, I have never seen someone as butthurt, obsessive, irrational, passive-aggressive, and disturbingly creepy as btstimpy, and getting more so with each successive post. I don't think there was ever an intention of making a well-reasoned statement. So much for "moving on."

Getting back to the original post, it appears from the GT AD's statement that there could be more "betrayals" on or before the expiration of the GOR.

 

[TerryD]

You must be from PSU, eh? Only a PSU alum would be delusional enough to think SWPA is a PSU hotbed. Pitt owns the Pittsburgh metro, WVU owns the border counties, which are closer to Morgantown than Pittsburgh.

I grew up in Fayette County, Pa. It is 35 miles southeast of Pittsburgh and 25 miles north of Morgantown.

You are correct that there are a lot of WVU fans in that area, but there are big pockets of PSU, Pitt and ND fans there as well.

 

[NickyNewark]

For someone who claims to be happy that Maryland left the ACC, I have never seen someone as butthurt, obsessive, irrational, passive-aggressive, and disturbingly creepy as btstimpy, and getting more so with each successive post. I don't think there was ever an intention of making a well-reasoned statement. So much for "moving on."

Getting back to the original post, it appears from the GT AD's statement that there could be more "betrayals" on or before the expiration of the GOR.

i've been onto stimp for his obvious agenda since he first arrived...i'll just leave it at that...